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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 3:56 am
Post subject: windows xp pro oem vs. windows xp pro
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i received a pc build by a friend. after i received it i was told i couldn't
download any updates, so i'm pretty sure i need to purchase and install a new
os system.
can i purchase an oem cd or do i have to purchase the full os. what's the
difference?
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 5:25 am
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:56:02 -0700, sandy j
<sandyj RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> i received a pc build by a friend. after i received it i was told i couldn't
> download any updates, so i'm pretty sure i need to purchase and install a new
> os system.
> can i purchase an oem cd or do i have to purchase the full os. what's the
> difference?
The OEM version can only legally be sold with hardware, although these
days, any piece of hardware, even a power cord, qualifies. Although if
you get a complete generic OEM version, it contains the same software,
it has the following disadvantages as compared with the retail
version:
1. Its license ties it permanently to the first computer it's
installed on. It can never legally be moved to another computer, sold,
or given away.
2. It can only do a clean installation, not an upgrade.
3. Microsoft provides no support for OEM versions. You can't call them
with a problem, but instead have to get any needed support from your
OEM; that support may range anywhere between good and non-existent. Or
you can get support elsewhere, such as in these newsgroups.
It's that first restriction that makes it a bad deal. I recommend the
Retail Upgrade version instead. It usually costs the same, or only
slightly more than an OEM copy.
And contrary to what many people think, the Upgrade version *can* do a
clean installation, as long as you have a CD of a previous qualifying
version to show it when prompted as proof of ownership. Most people
have such a CD, but worst case, if you don't, you can buy a used copy
of Windows 98 very inexpensively.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:03 am
Post subject: Re: windows xp pro oem vs. windows xp pro [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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sandy j wrote:
> i received a pc build by a friend. after i received it i was told
> i couldn't download any updates, so i'm pretty sure i need to
> purchase and install a new os system.
> can i purchase an oem cd or do i have to purchase the full os.
> what's the difference?
If you plan on keeping the Windows XP beyond this computer - buy retail.
If you plan to give the license of Windows XP with the computer - you can
get OEM.
Beyond the licensing, support, etc - there is no TECHNICAL difference
between an OEM and retail version.
Well - one...
An OEM version cannot perform an upgrade installation - only clean installs.
A retail version can perform clean or upgrade installations.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 6:03 am
Post subject: Re: windows xp pro oem vs. windows xp pro [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Thanks so much for your speedy response. I hope you don't mind me asking a
related question. If I purchase and install the oem cd, will I be able to
download the updates XP Pro?
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"Shenan Stanley" wrote:
> sandy j wrote:
> > i received a pc build by a friend. after i received it i was told
> > i couldn't download any updates, so i'm pretty sure i need to
> > purchase and install a new os system.
> > can i purchase an oem cd or do i have to purchase the full os.
> > what's the difference?
>
> If you plan on keeping the Windows XP beyond this computer - buy retail.
> If you plan to give the license of Windows XP with the computer - you can
> get OEM.
>
> Beyond the licensing, support, etc - there is no TECHNICAL difference
> between an OEM and retail version.
>
> Well - one...
> An OEM version cannot perform an upgrade installation - only clean installs.
> A retail version can perform clean or upgrade installations.
>
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> Shenan Stanley
> MS-MVP
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:02 am
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sandy j wrote:
> i received a pc build by a friend. after i received it i was told
> i couldn't download any updates, so i'm pretty sure i need to
> purchase and install a new os system.
> can i purchase an oem cd or do i have to purchase the full os.
> what's the difference?
Shenan Stanley wrote:
> If you plan on keeping the Windows XP beyond this computer - buy
> retail.
> If you plan to give the license of Windows XP with the computer -
> you can get OEM.
>
> Beyond the licensing, support, etc - there is no TECHNICAL
> difference between an OEM and retail version.
>
> Well - one...
> An OEM version cannot perform an upgrade installation - only clean
> installs. A retail version can perform clean or upgrade
> installations.
sandy j wrote:
> Thanks so much for your speedy response. I hope you don't mind me
> asking a related question. If I purchase and install the oem cd,
> will I be able to download the updates XP Pro?
As I said - there is no real technical difference.
If you get a legitimate OEM copy/license of Windows XP - then you will have
no issues getting updates. The support I speak of is if you need assistance
with Windows XP beyond updates. The people who sold it to you and the
person who installed it are your support line - Microsoft does not directly
support OEM versions in the same way they support retail versions. That's
one of the reasons for the lesser price - with the fact you cannot transfer
it being another biggie.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:02 am
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Thank you for your help.
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"Shenan Stanley" wrote:
> sandy j wrote:
> > i received a pc build by a friend. after i received it i was told
> > i couldn't download any updates, so i'm pretty sure i need to
> > purchase and install a new os system.
> > can i purchase an oem cd or do i have to purchase the full os.
> > what's the difference?
>
> Shenan Stanley wrote:
> > If you plan on keeping the Windows XP beyond this computer - buy
> > retail.
> > If you plan to give the license of Windows XP with the computer -
> > you can get OEM.
> >
> > Beyond the licensing, support, etc - there is no TECHNICAL
> > difference between an OEM and retail version.
> >
> > Well - one...
> > An OEM version cannot perform an upgrade installation - only clean
> > installs. A retail version can perform clean or upgrade
> > installations.
>
> sandy j wrote:
> > Thanks so much for your speedy response. I hope you don't mind me
> > asking a related question. If I purchase and install the oem cd,
> > will I be able to download the updates XP Pro?
>
> As I said - there is no real technical difference.
>
> If you get a legitimate OEM copy/license of Windows XP - then you will have
> no issues getting updates. The support I speak of is if you need assistance
> with Windows XP beyond updates. The people who sold it to you and the
> person who installed it are your support line - Microsoft does not directly
> support OEM versions in the same way they support retail versions. That's
> one of the reasons for the lesser price - with the fact you cannot transfer
> it being another biggie.
>
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:48 pm
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sandy j wrote:
> i received a pc build by a friend. after i received it i was told i couldn't
> download any updates, so i'm pretty sure i need to purchase and install a new
> os system.
> can i purchase an oem cd or do i have to purchase the full os. what's the
> difference?
>
> thanks
XP Pro OEM can only be bought if you buy a CPU, hard drive, motherboard
and RAM at the same time. This is the new price gouge from Microsoft to
go along with the flawed and ineffective "anti piracy" program.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:48 pm
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Shenan Stanley wrote:
> sandy j wrote:
>> i received a pc build by a friend. after i received it i was told
>> i couldn't download any updates, so i'm pretty sure i need to
>> purchase and install a new os system.
>> can i purchase an oem cd or do i have to purchase the full os.
>> what's the difference?
>
> Shenan Stanley wrote:
>> If you plan on keeping the Windows XP beyond this computer - buy
>> retail.
>> If you plan to give the license of Windows XP with the computer -
>> you can get OEM.
>>
>> Beyond the licensing, support, etc - there is no TECHNICAL
>> difference between an OEM and retail version.
>>
>> Well - one...
>> An OEM version cannot perform an upgrade installation - only clean
>> installs. A retail version can perform clean or upgrade
>> installations.
>
> sandy j wrote:
>> Thanks so much for your speedy response. I hope you don't mind me
>> asking a related question. If I purchase and install the oem cd,
>> will I be able to download the updates XP Pro?
>
> As I said - there is no real technical difference.
>
> If you get a legitimate OEM copy/license of Windows XP - then you will have
> no issues getting updates. The support I speak of is if you need assistance
> with Windows XP beyond updates. The people who sold it to you and the
> person who installed it are your support line - Microsoft does not directly
> support OEM versions in the same way they support retail versions. That's
> one of the reasons for the lesser price - with the fact you cannot transfer
> it being another biggie.
>
Having to buy a CPU, mother board, hard drive and RAM is a biggie too.
From http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116059
"Qualifying proof of purchase must be recent receipts showing the
purchase of a mother board, hard drive, RAM and a CPU. The components
can be on multiple receipts; not necessarily all on one receipt nor on
the same receipt as the qualifying Windows XP/Office 2003 that you
purchased."
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:48 pm
Post subject: Re: windows xp pro oem vs. windows xp pro [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:56:02 -0700, sandy j
> <sandyj.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>> i received a pc build by a friend. after i received it i was told i couldn't
>> download any updates, so i'm pretty sure i need to purchase and install a new
>> os system.
>> can i purchase an oem cd or do i have to purchase the full os. what's the
>> difference?
>
>
> The OEM version can only legally be sold with hardware, although these
> days, any piece of hardware, even a power cord, qualifies.
No, that was a "nowadays" of last year. Now you have to buy, or have
"recently" bought, a CPU, mother board, hard drive and RAM.
See: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116059 and
click on "specifications" and read the Disclaimer.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:48 pm
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Alias wrote:
> Having to buy a CPU, mother board, hard drive and RAM is a biggie
> too.
> From http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116059
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> "Qualifying proof of purchase must be recent receipts showing the
> purchase of a mother board, hard drive, RAM and a CPU. The
> components can be on multiple receipts; not necessarily all on one
> receipt nor on the same receipt as the qualifying Windows XP/Office
> 2003 that you purchased."
That is their *disclaimer*...
I don't think (or at least I have not heard of) them (newegg) requiring you
to show *them* this qualifying material.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:48 pm
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Curious, the same requirements haven't been placed on Vista that I can see,
seems there's madness in their method.
MS is going to get everyone on Vista one way or another.
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> Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:56:02 -0700, sandy j
>> <sandyj.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>>> i received a pc build by a friend. after i received it i was told i
>>> couldn't download any updates, so i'm pretty sure i need to purchase and
>>> install a new os system.
>>> can i purchase an oem cd or do i have to purchase the full os. what's
>>> the difference?
>>
>>
>> The OEM version can only legally be sold with hardware, although these
>> days, any piece of hardware, even a power cord, qualifies.
>
> No, that was a "nowadays" of last year. Now you have to buy, or have
> "recently" bought, a CPU, mother board, hard drive and RAM.
>
> See: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116059 and
> click on "specifications" and read the Disclaimer.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:01 pm
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Alias wrote:
> sandy j wrote:
>> i received a pc build by a friend. after i received it i was told i
>> couldn't download any updates, so i'm pretty sure i need to purchase
>> and install a new os system.
>> can i purchase an oem cd or do i have to purchase the full os.
>> what's the difference?
>>
>> thanks
>
> XP Pro OEM can only be bought if you buy a CPU, hard drive,
> motherboard and RAM at the same time. This is the new price
> gouge from Microsoft to go along with the flawed and ineffective
> "anti piracy" program.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:15 pm
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Alias wrote:
> Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:56:02 -0700, sandy j
>> <sandyj.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>>> i received a pc build by a friend. after i received it i was told
>>> i couldn't download any updates, so i'm pretty sure i need to
>>> purchase and install a new os system.
>>> can i purchase an oem cd or do i have to purchase the full os.
>>> what's the difference?
>>
>>
>> The OEM version can only legally be sold with hardware, although
>> these days, any piece of hardware, even a power cord, qualifies.
>
> No, that was a "nowadays" of last year. Now you have to buy, or have
> "recently" bought, a CPU, mother board, hard drive and RAM.
>
> See: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116059
> and click on "specifications" and read the Disclaimer.
<quote>
Qualifying proof of purchase must be recent receipts showing the
purchase of a mother board, hard drive, RAM and a CPU. The components
can be on multiple receipts; not necessarily all on one receipt nor on
the same receipt as the qualifying Windows XP/Office 2003 that you
purchased.
</quote>
You don't *have to* do these things; you could always purchase the disc
elsewhere.
This doesn't seem to be a Microsoft edict. Rather, (AFAIK) this is only
coming from newegg. Maybe they're just trying to get more people to
purchase more hardware, preferably from them. If this is sp, I wonder if
this strategy may backfire.
Now, if this policy *is* coming from Microsoft, I would like to see
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:15 pm
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Daave wrote:
> Alias wrote:
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>>Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
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>>>On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:56:02 -0700, sandy j
>>><sandyj RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>i received a pc build by a friend. after i received it i was told
>>>>i couldn't download any updates, so i'm pretty sure i need to
>>>>purchase and install a new os system.
>>>>can i purchase an oem cd or do i have to purchase the full os.
>>>>what's the difference?
>>>
>>>
>>>The OEM version can only legally be sold with hardware, although
>>>these days, any piece of hardware, even a power cord, qualifies.
>>
>>No, that was a "nowadays" of last year. Now you have to buy, or have
>>"recently" bought, a CPU, mother board, hard drive and RAM.
>>
>>See: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116059
>>and click on "specifications" and read the Disclaimer.
>
>
>
> <quote>
> Qualifying proof of purchase must be recent receipts showing the
> purchase of a mother board, hard drive, RAM and a CPU. The components
> can be on multiple receipts; not necessarily all on one receipt nor on
> the same receipt as the qualifying Windows XP/Office 2003 that you
> purchased.
> </quote>
>
> You don't *have to* do these things; you could always purchase the disc
> elsewhere.
>
> This doesn't seem to be a Microsoft edict. Rather, (AFAIK) this is only
> coming from newegg. Maybe they're just trying to get more people to
> purchase more hardware, preferably from them. If this is sp, I wonder if
> this strategy may backfire.
>
> Now, if this policy *is* coming from Microsoft, I would like to see
> something official from them.
>
>
I believe the language has changed, although subtly, due to the Microsoft
System Builder Pack packaging, or the only way a distributor can release
OEM versions of Microsoft applications. For the current FY07, Item No. 1
is pretty straight-forward in specifying a CPU, motherboard, hard drive,
power supply and case, in the example below:
http://oem.microsoft.com/downloads/Public/sblicense/2007_SB_Licenses/F..._SB_Lic
The differentiation between assembled and unassembled units also seems to
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 1:48 pm
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Peter Foldes wrote:
> All you need to buy is a mouse here in Can . That is enough to purchase a OEM of XP
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When was the last time you checked? This is a new policy as far as I can
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