XP in a new Dell Laptop

Of course by doing this you have likely invalidated any warrant or support
from Dell

"DZigas" <DZigas DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:C3BB30E1-31C4-4246-A6F0-ADA0243088A2@microsoft.com...
> Hi -- I just bought a new Dell Inspiron 1521 that came with Vista Home
> Premium. I replaced that with Windows XP Pro from a newly purchased CD-ROM
> over that. I have had no luck connecting to the internet, neither through
> ethernet nor through my LAN (the Dell has a wifi card built in). I noticed
> that in Device Manager, under "other devices", all seem to be missing --
> i.e., they have yellow question marks and exclamation points. This
> includes
> the ethernet controller and and network controller. Is this the source of
> my
> problem?
>
> Any guidance on how to get my Dell running XP normally would be greatfully
> appreciated. -- David

Yes, but I'm not the one who forced a buggy piece of garbage known as Vista
on the public.

"DL" wrote:

> Of course by doing this you have likely invalidated any warrant or support
> from Dell
>
> "DZigas" <DZigas DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:C3BB30E1-31C4-4246-A6F0-ADA0243088A2@microsoft.com...
> > Hi -- I just bought a new Dell Inspiron 1521 that came with Vista Home
> > Premium. I replaced that with Windows XP Pro from a newly purchased CD-ROM
> > over that. I have had no luck connecting to the internet, neither through
> > ethernet nor through my LAN (the Dell has a wifi card built in). I noticed
> > that in Device Manager, under "other devices", all seem to be missing --
> > i.e., they have yellow question marks and exclamation points. This
> > includes
> > the ethernet controller and and network controller. Is this the source of
> > my
> > problem?
> >
> > Any guidance on how to get my Dell running XP normally would be greatfully
> > appreciated. -- David
>
>
>

DZigas wrote:
> Hi -- I just bought a new Dell Inspiron 1521 that came with Vista
> Home Premium. I replaced that with Windows XP Pro from a newly
> purchased CD-ROM over that. I have had no luck connecting to the
> internet, neither through ethernet nor through my LAN (the Dell has
> a wifi card built in). I noticed that in Device Manager, under
> "other devices", all seem to be missing -- i.e., they have yellow
> question marks and exclamation points. This includes the ethernet
> controller and and network controller. Is this the source of my
> problem?
>
> Any guidance on how to get my Dell running XP normally would be
> greatfully appreciated. -- David

DL wrote:
> Of course by doing this you have likely invalidated any warrant or
> support from Dell

DZigas wrote:
> Yes, but I'm not the one who forced a buggy piece of garbage known
> as Vista on the public.

Neither did Dell nor Microsoft. Especially in this case.

You realize Dell still sells systems *with* Windows XP - so - in this case -
you have 'forced yourself' to buy Vista and then instead of calling and
speaking to Dell (and likely get it resolved where you have Windows XP
supported from Dell on your Dell system) - you went your own route...

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Dell supply systems with Winxp pro, nothing has been forced on you, it was
your choice


"DZigas" <DZigas.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:7A878478-73E6-4D38-B7CF-12AE88675998@microsoft.com...
> Yes, but I'm not the one who forced a buggy piece of garbage known as
> Vista
> on the public.
>
> "DL" wrote:
>
>> Of course by doing this you have likely invalidated any warrant or
>> support
>> from Dell
>>
>> "DZigas" <DZigas.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:C3BB30E1-31C4-4246-A6F0-ADA0243088A2@microsoft.com...
>> > Hi -- I just bought a new Dell Inspiron 1521 that came with Vista Home
>> > Premium. I replaced that with Windows XP Pro from a newly purchased
>> > CD-ROM
>> > over that. I have had no luck connecting to the internet, neither
>> > through
>> > ethernet nor through my LAN (the Dell has a wifi card built in). I
>> > noticed
>> > that in Device Manager, under "other devices", all seem to be
>> > missing --
>> > i.e., they have yellow question marks and exclamation points. This
>> > includes
>> > the ethernet controller and and network controller. Is this the source
>> > of
>> > my
>> > problem?
>> >
>> > Any guidance on how to get my Dell running XP normally would be
>> > greatfully
>> > appreciated. -- David
>>
>>
>>

True, but only in a very restrictive sense. Both Dell and HP offered 1 older
model with XP. I asked both if XP could be installed on the Inspiron (and the
HP DV line), and the answer was no. Who is forcing whom here? Why should I
have to settle for the dregs of their lineup when I want the latest hardware,
just to get XP? For the record, I've reinstalled Vista, and hope to make it
work. Within 1 hour here's what's happened:

Windows Media Player wont play
Windows Explorer crashed twice trying to look at a photo
Norton 360 (which runs great on my XP desktop and is "Vista ready" won't run.

"DL" wrote:

> Dell supply systems with Winxp pro, nothing has been forced on you, it was
> your choice
>
>
> "DZigas" <DZigas.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:7A878478-73E6-4D38-B7CF-12AE88675998@microsoft.com...
> > Yes, but I'm not the one who forced a buggy piece of garbage known as
> > Vista
> > on the public.
> >
> > "DL" wrote:
> >
> >> Of course by doing this you have likely invalidated any warrant or
> >> support
> >> from Dell
> >>
> >> "DZigas" <DZigas.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:C3BB30E1-31C4-4246-A6F0-ADA0243088A2@microsoft.com...
> >> > Hi -- I just bought a new Dell Inspiron 1521 that came with Vista Home
> >> > Premium. I replaced that with Windows XP Pro from a newly purchased
> >> > CD-ROM
> >> > over that. I have had no luck connecting to the internet, neither
> >> > through
> >> > ethernet nor through my LAN (the Dell has a wifi card built in). I
> >> > noticed
> >> > that in Device Manager, under "other devices", all seem to be
> >> > missing --
> >> > i.e., they have yellow question marks and exclamation points. This
> >> > includes
> >> > the ethernet controller and and network controller. Is this the source
> >> > of
> >> > my
> >> > problem?
> >> >
> >> > Any guidance on how to get my Dell running XP normally would be
> >> > greatfully
> >> > appreciated. -- David
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

DZigas wrote:
> True, but only in a very restrictive sense. Both Dell and HP
> offered 1 older model with XP. I asked both if XP could be
> installed on the Inspiron (and the HP DV line), and the answer was
> no. Who is forcing whom here? Why should I have to settle for the
> dregs of their lineup when I want the latest hardware, just to get
> XP? For the record, I've reinstalled Vista, and hope to make it
> work. Within 1 hour here's what's happened:
>
> Windows Media Player wont play
> Windows Explorer crashed twice trying to look at a photo
> Norton 360 (which runs great on my XP desktop and is "Vista ready"
> won't run.

The problem is that the Inspiron 1520/1521 is not sold in Dell Small
Business. The Vostro 1500is the small business model closest to the
Inspiron 1520/1521. It is the Business sections of the Dell website that
have Windows XP as an option without some calling/arguing with sales people.

In any case - Windows XP can be installed on it (by Dell or by the end user)
and all you have to know is that you can get the drivers for the hardware
for Windows XP from here:
http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/driverslist.aspx?os=WW1&osl=...catid=-

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Thanks, Stanley. For all my criticism, I do respect MS for your willingness
to respond & fix. Just for the record, last year I posted a critique of
Apple's Front Row software on their chat board -- not a flame, just some very
specific problems -- and it was removed w/ in 24 hours, without explanation.
I posted again asking why it was removed, and it was removed. So much for the
free speech ethic at Apple.. -- David

"Shenan Stanley" wrote:

> DZigas wrote:
> > True, but only in a very restrictive sense. Both Dell and HP
> > offered 1 older model with XP. I asked both if XP could be
> > installed on the Inspiron (and the HP DV line), and the answer was
> > no. Who is forcing whom here? Why should I have to settle for the
> > dregs of their lineup when I want the latest hardware, just to get
> > XP? For the record, I've reinstalled Vista, and hope to make it
> > work. Within 1 hour here's what's happened:
> >
> > Windows Media Player wont play
> > Windows Explorer crashed twice trying to look at a photo
> > Norton 360 (which runs great on my XP desktop and is "Vista ready"
> > won't run.
>
> The problem is that the Inspiron 1520/1521 is not sold in Dell Small
> Business. The Vostro 1500is the small business model closest to the
> Inspiron 1520/1521. It is the Business sections of the Dell website that
> have Windows XP as an option without some calling/arguing with sales people.
>
> In any case - Windows XP can be installed on it (by Dell or by the end user)
> and all you have to know is that you can get the drivers for the hardware
> for Windows XP from here:
> http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/driverslist.aspx?os=WW1&osl=...catid=-
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> MS-MVP
> --
> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
>
>

DZigas wrote:
> Thanks, Stanley. For all my criticism, I do respect MS for your
> willingness to respond & fix.
<snip>
In reference to *your*, if you meant me in relationship with Microsoft...

I am not employeed or associated with Microsoft in any fashion other than
being a volunteer on these newsgroups. For that Microsoft chose to award me
something (Microsoft MVP title) but I do not speak for (and often I speak
against) Microsoft or their products.

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Well over here all Dell Inspiron & other series including desktops are
avilable with Winxp pro

"DZigas" <DZigas.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:31137163-5F32-44E0-89C1-53818AF22C32@microsoft.com...
> True, but only in a very restrictive sense. Both Dell and HP offered 1
> older
> model with XP. I asked both if XP could be installed on the Inspiron (and
> the
> HP DV line), and the answer was no. Who is forcing whom here? Why should I
> have to settle for the dregs of their lineup when I want the latest
> hardware,
> just to get XP? For the record, I've reinstalled Vista, and hope to make
> it
> work. Within 1 hour here's what's happened:
>
> Windows Media Player wont play
> Windows Explorer crashed twice trying to look at a photo
> Norton 360 (which runs great on my XP desktop and is "Vista ready" won't
> run.
>
> "DL" wrote:
>
>> Dell supply systems with Winxp pro, nothing has been forced on you, it
>> was
>> your choice
>>
>>
>> "DZigas" <DZigas.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:7A878478-73E6-4D38-B7CF-12AE88675998@microsoft.com...
>> > Yes, but I'm not the one who forced a buggy piece of garbage known as
>> > Vista
>> > on the public.
>> >
>> > "DL" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Of course by doing this you have likely invalidated any warrant or
>> >> support
>> >> from Dell
>> >>
>> >> "DZigas" <DZigas.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:C3BB30E1-31C4-4246-A6F0-ADA0243088A2@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Hi -- I just bought a new Dell Inspiron 1521 that came with Vista
>> >> > Home
>> >> > Premium. I replaced that with Windows XP Pro from a newly purchased
>> >> > CD-ROM
>> >> > over that. I have had no luck connecting to the internet, neither
>> >> > through
>> >> > ethernet nor through my LAN (the Dell has a wifi card built in). I
>> >> > noticed
>> >> > that in Device Manager, under "other devices", all seem to be
>> >> > missing --
>> >> > i.e., they have yellow question marks and exclamation points. This
>> >> > includes
>> >> > the ethernet controller and and network controller. Is this the
>> >> > source
>> >> > of
>> >> > my
>> >> > problem?
>> >> >
>> >> > Any guidance on how to get my Dell running XP normally would be
>> >> > greatfully
>> >> > appreciated. -- David
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>

You missed the boat somewhere: Dell would have put XP on THAT PC for you.
I asked my



DZigas wrote:
> True, but only in a very restrictive sense. Both Dell and HP offered
> 1 older model with XP. I asked both if XP could be installed on the
> Inspiron (and the HP DV line), and the answer was no. Who is forcing
> whom here? Why should I have to settle for the dregs of their lineup
> when I want the latest hardware, just to get XP? For the record, I've
> reinstalled Vista, and hope to make it work. Within 1 hour here's
> what's happened:
>
> Windows Media Player wont play
> Windows Explorer crashed twice trying to look at a photo
> Norton 360 (which runs great on my XP desktop and is "Vista ready"
> won't run.
>
> "DL" wrote:
>
>> Dell supply systems with Winxp pro, nothing has been forced on you,
>> it was your choice
>>
>>
>> "DZigas" <DZigas DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:7A878478-73E6-4D38-B7CF-12AE88675998@microsoft.com...
>>> Yes, but I'm not the one who forced a buggy piece of garbage known
>>> as Vista
>>> on the public.
>>>
>>> "DL" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Of course by doing this you have likely invalidated any warrant or
>>>> support
>>>> from Dell
>>>>
>>>> "DZigas" <DZigas DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:C3BB30E1-31C4-4246-A6F0-ADA0243088A2@microsoft.com...
>>>>> Hi -- I just bought a new Dell Inspiron 1521 that came with Vista
>>>>> Home Premium. I replaced that with Windows XP Pro from a newly
>>>>> purchased CD-ROM
>>>>> over that. I have had no luck connecting to the internet, neither
>>>>> through
>>>>> ethernet nor through my LAN (the Dell has a wifi card built in). I
>>>>> noticed
>>>>> that in Device Manager, under "other devices", all seem to be
>>>>> missing --
>>>>> i.e., they have yellow question marks and exclamation points. This
>>>>> includes
>>>>> the ethernet controller and and network controller. Is this the
>>>>> source of
>>>>> my
>>>>> problem?
>>>>>
>>>>> Any guidance on how to get my Dell running XP normally would be
>>>>> greatfully
>>>>> appreciated. -- David

Yes, I did miss the boat -- I made the mistake of believing the Dell sales
person. I would be perfectly happy to live with Vista if I could get the
Media Player to work. There are a few similar complaints about WMP on the
Vista chat board, to which no one is replying. I can't reload WMP in Vista,
because a standalone Vista version is not available on the MS site (please
correct me if I'm wrong).

At some point, I will throw in the towe and re-load XP.

"Poprivet" wrote:

> You missed the boat somewhere: Dell would have put XP on THAT PC for you.
> I asked my
>
>
>
> DZigas wrote:
> > True, but only in a very restrictive sense. Both Dell and HP offered
> > 1 older model with XP. I asked both if XP could be installed on the
> > Inspiron (and the HP DV line), and the answer was no. Who is forcing
> > whom here? Why should I have to settle for the dregs of their lineup
> > when I want the latest hardware, just to get XP? For the record, I've
> > reinstalled Vista, and hope to make it work. Within 1 hour here's
> > what's happened:
> >
> > Windows Media Player wont play
> > Windows Explorer crashed twice trying to look at a photo
> > Norton 360 (which runs great on my XP desktop and is "Vista ready"
> > won't run.
> >
> > "DL" wrote:
> >
> >> Dell supply systems with Winxp pro, nothing has been forced on you,
> >> it was your choice
> >>
> >>
> >> "DZigas" <DZigas RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:7A878478-73E6-4D38-B7CF-12AE88675998@microsoft.com...
> >>> Yes, but I'm not the one who forced a buggy piece of garbage known
> >>> as Vista
> >>> on the public.
> >>>
> >>> "DL" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Of course by doing this you have likely invalidated any warrant or
> >>>> support
> >>>> from Dell
> >>>>
> >>>> "DZigas" <DZigas RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:C3BB30E1-31C4-4246-A6F0-ADA0243088A2@microsoft.com...
> >>>>> Hi -- I just bought a new Dell Inspiron 1521 that came with Vista
> >>>>> Home Premium. I replaced that with Windows XP Pro from a newly
> >>>>> purchased CD-ROM
> >>>>> over that. I have had no luck connecting to the internet, neither
> >>>>> through
> >>>>> ethernet nor through my LAN (the Dell has a wifi card built in). I
> >>>>> noticed
> >>>>> that in Device Manager, under "other devices", all seem to be
> >>>>> missing --
> >>>>> i.e., they have yellow question marks and exclamation points. This
> >>>>> includes
> >>>>> the ethernet controller and and network controller. Is this the
> >>>>> source of
> >>>>> my
> >>>>> problem?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any guidance on how to get my Dell running XP normally would be
> >>>>> greatfully
> >>>>> appreciated. -- David
>
>
>
>

Stanley -- Thanks for your help, and for clarifying your status. -- David

"Shenan Stanley" wrote:

> DZigas wrote:
> > Thanks, Stanley. For all my criticism, I do respect MS for your
> > willingness to respond & fix.
> <snip>
> In reference to *your*, if you meant me in relationship with Microsoft...
>
> I am not employeed or associated with Microsoft in any fashion other than
> being a volunteer on these newsgroups. For that Microsoft chose to award me
> something (Microsoft MVP title) but I do not speak for (and often I speak
> against) Microsoft or their products.
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> MS-MVP
> --
> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
>
>

That is a common occurrence in Apple's forums, rather than admitting
problems they try to hide them, at least until a lawsuit comes along.

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"DZigas" <DZigas RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:52783E78-E6E4-45FF-9A9D-37AE029DB9D2@microsoft.com...
> Thanks, Stanley. For all my criticism, I do respect MS for your
> willingness
> to respond & fix. Just for the record, last year I posted a critique of
> Apple's Front Row software on their chat board -- not a flame, just some
> very
> specific problems -- and it was removed w/ in 24 hours, without
> explanation.
> I posted again asking why it was removed, and it was removed. So much for
> the
> free speech ethic at Apple.. -- David
>
> "Shenan Stanley" wrote:
>
>> DZigas wrote:
>> > True, but only in a very restrictive sense. Both Dell and HP
>> > offered 1 older model with XP. I asked both if XP could be
>> > installed on the Inspiron (and the HP DV line), and the answer was
>> > no. Who is forcing whom here? Why should I have to settle for the
>> > dregs of their lineup when I want the latest hardware, just to get
>> > XP? For the record, I've reinstalled Vista, and hope to make it
>> > work. Within 1 hour here's what's happened:
>> >
>> > Windows Media Player wont play
>> > Windows Explorer crashed twice trying to look at a photo
>> > Norton 360 (which runs great on my XP desktop and is "Vista ready"
>> > won't run.
>>
>> The problem is that the Inspiron 1520/1521 is not sold in Dell Small
>> Business. The Vostro 1500is the small business model closest to the
>> Inspiron 1520/1521. It is the Business sections of the Dell website that
>> have Windows XP as an option without some calling/arguing with sales
>> people.
>>
>> In any case - Windows XP can be installed on it (by Dell or by the end
>> user)
>> and all you have to know is that you can get the drivers for the hardware
>> for Windows XP from here:
>> http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/driverslist.aspx?os=WW1&osl=...catid=-
>>
>> --
>> Shenan Stanley
>> MS-MVP
>> --
>> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>>
>>
>>