Messenger Probs. (windows messenger-MSN6)

While I completely understand that Windows Messenger (comes with XP)
is slightly different to MSN Messenger (downloadable version for all
current
Windows OS's), they do perform the same basic functions.

Certainly one would think that Microsoft has the smarts to build software
(Messenger) that sees that a previous version exists (Windows Messenger
4.x ) so that when installing the newer MSN Messenger 6.0, itupdates the
previous version rather than installing itself along side the older version.
To me,
this implementation of MSN Messenger by Microsoft is completely without any
forethought.

Microsoft should have either allowed the upgrade of Windows Messenger 4.x to
MSN Messenger 6.0 (ie.replacment) , OR they should provide the ability to
completely remove version 4.7 in XP (not just the partial disabling that is
described below). Functionally, it does not make sense to have 2 programs
from the same software vendor that do basically the same things.

Would Microsoft allow the installation of IE5 and IE6 side-by-side? I would
say not.
So, why would they allow the same type of scenario with Messenger?
Curious if anyone has any idea what Microsoft was thinking with this
software.
blariz

"Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <msnewsreplies.DeleteThis@jonathankay.com> wrote in message
news:OXd8uf8bDHA.1696@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Greetings Tam,
>
> What you can do is simply disable Windows Messenger. You can do so by
opening it up, click
> Tools, Options, Preferences tab and unchecking 'Run this program when
Windows starts'. This
> won't stop it from being loaded by some other application though. As well,
you can disable it
> further by going to Start, Control Panel, Add or Remove Programs,
Add/Remove Windows
> Components on the left, uncheck Windows Messenger in the components list
and click Next >.
> Note: this is only available if you've installed Windows XP Service Pack
1 -- if you haven't,
> visit http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com. This won't remove Windows
Messenger, but it will
> let it stay out of your way, and allow MSN Messenger 6 to work properly.
>
> Of course, if you wish to use Windows Messenger instead you can simply
uninstall MSN
> Messenger 6.
> ____________________________________________
> Jonathan Kay
> Windows MVP, Messenger
> Associate Expert
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>
>
> "Tam Darcy" <tam.DeleteThis@wadokaicollege.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:072b01c36fc6$f93d7cb0$a101280a@phx.gbl...
> > Hi,
> > I recently installed MSN Messenger 6.
> > I assumed that it become the default messenger prog.
> > Instead it is turned off by windows messenger (or vice
> > versa) I can't understand why you can install the MSN
> > Messenger when there will be an obvious conflict.
> > I presume I can just un-install MSN6? or is there
> > something else that I should do to resolve this prob?
> > The message that I get when either prog. switches the
> > other off is;
> > Closing down messenger because you have logged on from
> > another location...
> > Any ideas.
> > Thanks.
> > Tam.
>
>

Hi Blariz,

At this point, you can compare MSN Messenger 6 and Windows Messenger 5 like Microsoft Outlook
and Outlook Express. Both perform the same basic functions, but both have features that the
other does not have. For example, Outlook has Exchange server support, etc. whereas Outlook
Express includes newsgroup support. Would you only allow one "Outlook" installed, and you
have to choose between the two? Windows Messenger has support for Exchange IM Servers and
Office Live Communication Servers (SIP), whereas MSN Messenger 6 does not, but has features
like display pictures and custom emoticons.

Outlook and Outlook Express don't have the "problems" that we see in Windows Messenger/MSN
Messenger on XP, basically the "features" that work only in MSN Messenger 6 if Windows
Messenger is installed. This is primarily because when XP was released, Windows Messenger
was considered a part of the base operating system, and as such, components like Remote
Assistance were written with the knowledge that Windows Messenger would still be there. The
Messenger development teams can't start overwriting parts of Windows XP, and as such, until
these Windows components are updated, we'll see this restriction.

Unfortunately it's unlikely this will be "fixed" until the next Windows release. As a final
note, I believe Internet Explorer 4 and Internet Explorer 5 were allowed to work and be
installed at the same time on one Windows installation.
____________________________________________
Jonathan Kay
Windows MVP, Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com


"blariz" <blariz DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message news:ujOnsZLcDHA.2960@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> While I completely understand that Windows Messenger (comes with XP)
> is slightly different to MSN Messenger (downloadable version for all
> current
> Windows OS's), they do perform the same basic functions.
>
> Certainly one would think that Microsoft has the smarts to build software
> (Messenger) that sees that a previous version exists (Windows Messenger
> 4.x ) so that when installing the newer MSN Messenger 6.0, itupdates the
> previous version rather than installing itself along side the older version.
> To me,
> this implementation of MSN Messenger by Microsoft is completely without any
> forethought.
>
> Microsoft should have either allowed the upgrade of Windows Messenger 4.x to
> MSN Messenger 6.0 (ie.replacment) , OR they should provide the ability to
> completely remove version 4.7 in XP (not just the partial disabling that is
> described below). Functionally, it does not make sense to have 2 programs
> from the same software vendor that do basically the same things.
>
> Would Microsoft allow the installation of IE5 and IE6 side-by-side? I would
> say not.
> So, why would they allow the same type of scenario with Messenger?
> Curious if anyone has any idea what Microsoft was thinking with this
> software.
> blariz
>
> "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <msnewsreplies DeleteThis @jonathankay.com> wrote in message
> news:OXd8uf8bDHA.1696@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Greetings Tam,
> >
> > What you can do is simply disable Windows Messenger. You can do so by
> opening it up, click
> > Tools, Options, Preferences tab and unchecking 'Run this program when
> Windows starts'. This
> > won't stop it from being loaded by some other application though. As well,
> you can disable it
> > further by going to Start, Control Panel, Add or Remove Programs,
> Add/Remove Windows
> > Components on the left, uncheck Windows Messenger in the components list
> and click Next >.
> > Note: this is only available if you've installed Windows XP Service Pack
> 1 -- if you haven't,
> > visit http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com. This won't remove Windows
> Messenger, but it will
> > let it stay out of your way, and allow MSN Messenger 6 to work properly.
> >
> > Of course, if you wish to use Windows Messenger instead you can simply
> uninstall MSN
> > Messenger 6.
> > ____________________________________________
> > Jonathan Kay
> > Windows MVP, Messenger
> > Associate Expert
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> >
> >
> > "Tam Darcy" <tam DeleteThis @wadokaicollege.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:072b01c36fc6$f93d7cb0$a101280a@phx.gbl...
> > > Hi,
> > > I recently installed MSN Messenger 6.
> > > I assumed that it become the default messenger prog.
> > > Instead it is turned off by windows messenger (or vice
> > > versa) I can't understand why you can install the MSN
> > > Messenger when there will be an obvious conflict.
> > > I presume I can just un-install MSN6? or is there
> > > something else that I should do to resolve this prob?
> > > The message that I get when either prog. switches the
> > > other off is;
> > > Closing down messenger because you have logged on from
> > > another location...
> > > Any ideas.
> > > Thanks.
> > > Tam.
> >
> >
>
>

jonathon,
interesting reply but it only enforces blarizs point.

re
>"For example, Outlook has Exchange server support, etc.
whereas Outlook Express includes newsgroup support. Would
you only allow one "Outlook" installed, and you have to
choose between the two?"

No - i'd want one product that can do everything and that
is simple to use. not 2 that are interlinked and cause
problems for users!!
Duh! is this an example of ms thinking?

even if oexpress is free and outlook has to be bought you
would expect the outlook bought version to be able to do
at least everything the "free" version could do and when
it was installed to remove the old program (becuase its
functionality was incorporated in the new) but keep the
data and key settings.

same goes for messenger and msn messenger.

Are you as frustrated by this as much as mere users like
myself?


>-----Original Message-----
>Hi Blariz,
>
>At this point, you can compare MSN Messenger 6 and
Windows Messenger 5 like Microsoft Outlook
>and Outlook Express. Both perform the same basic
functions, but both have features that the
>other does not have. For example, Outlook has Exchange
server support, etc. whereas Outlook
>Express includes newsgroup support. Would you only allow
one "Outlook" installed, and you
>have to choose between the two? Windows Messenger has
support for Exchange IM Servers and
>Office Live Communication Servers (SIP), whereas MSN
Messenger 6 does not, but has features
>like display pictures and custom emoticons.
>
>Outlook and Outlook Express don't have the "problems"
that we see in Windows Messenger/MSN
>Messenger on XP, basically the "features" that work only
in MSN Messenger 6 if Windows
>Messenger is installed. This is primarily because when
XP was released, Windows Messenger
>was considered a part of the base operating system, and
as such, components like Remote
>Assistance were written with the knowledge that Windows
Messenger would still be there. The
>Messenger development teams can't start overwriting parts
of Windows XP, and as such, until
>these Windows components are updated, we'll see this
restriction.
>
>Unfortunately it's unlikely this will be "fixed" until
the next Windows release. As a final
>note, I believe Internet Explorer 4 and Internet Explorer
5 were allowed to work and be
>installed at the same time on one Windows installation.
>____________________________________________
>Jonathan Kay
>Windows MVP, Messenger
>Associate Expert
>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>
>
>"blariz" <blariz.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ujOnsZLcDHA.2960@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> While I completely understand that Windows Messenger
(comes with XP)
>> is slightly different to MSN Messenger (downloadable
version for all
>> current
>> Windows OS's), they do perform the same basic functions.
>>
>> Certainly one would think that Microsoft has the smarts
to build software
>> (Messenger) that sees that a previous version exists
(Windows Messenger
>> 4.x ) so that when installing the newer MSN Messenger
6.0, itupdates the
>> previous version rather than installing itself along
side the older version.
>> To me,
>> this implementation of MSN Messenger by Microsoft is
completely without any
>> forethought.
>>
>> Microsoft should have either allowed the upgrade of
Windows Messenger 4.x to
>> MSN Messenger 6.0 (ie.replacment) , OR they should
provide the ability to
>> completely remove version 4.7 in XP (not just the
partial disabling that is
>> described below). Functionally, it does not make sense
to have 2 programs
>> from the same software vendor that do basically the
same things.
>>
>> Would Microsoft allow the installation of IE5 and IE6
side-by-side? I would
>> say not.
>> So, why would they allow the same type of scenario with
Messenger?
>> Curious if anyone has any idea what Microsoft was
thinking with this
>> software.
>> blariz
>>
>> "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <msnewsreplies.TakeThisOut@jonathankay.com>
wrote in message
>> news:OXd8uf8bDHA.1696@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> > Greetings Tam,
>> >
>> > What you can do is simply disable Windows Messenger.
You can do so by
>> opening it up, click
>> > Tools, Options, Preferences tab and unchecking 'Run
this program when
>> Windows starts'. This
>> > won't stop it from being loaded by some other
application though. As well,
>> you can disable it
>> > further by going to Start, Control Panel, Add or
Remove Programs,
>> Add/Remove Windows
>> > Components on the left, uncheck Windows Messenger in
the components list
>> and click Next >.
>> > Note: this is only available if you've installed
Windows XP Service Pack
>> 1 -- if you haven't,
>> > visit http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com. This won't
remove Windows
>> Messenger, but it will
>> > let it stay out of your way, and allow MSN Messenger
6 to work properly.
>> >
>> > Of course, if you wish to use Windows Messenger
instead you can simply
>> uninstall MSN
>> > Messenger 6.
>> > ____________________________________________
>> > Jonathan Kay
>> > Windows MVP, Messenger
>> > Associate Expert
>> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
>> > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
>> >
>> >
>> > "Tam Darcy" <tam.TakeThisOut@wadokaicollege.co.uk> wrote in
message
>> > news:072b01c36fc6$f93d7cb0$a101280a@phx.gbl...
>> > > Hi,
>> > > I recently installed MSN Messenger 6.
>> > > I assumed that it become the default messenger prog.
>> > > Instead it is turned off by windows messenger (or
vice
>> > > versa) I can't understand why you can install the
MSN
>> > > Messenger when there will be an obvious conflict.
>> > > I presume I can just un-install MSN6? or is there
>> > > something else that I should do to resolve this
prob?
>> > > The message that I get when either prog. switches
the
>> > > other off is;
>> > > Closing down messenger because you have logged on
from
>> > > another location...
>> > > Any ideas.
>> > > Thanks.
>> > > Tam.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>.
>

Hi,

Integrated products aren't always the best idea -- for example, I wouldn't want my Outlook
Express newsgroup store integrated in with the rest of my mail. As I said before, this
should be resolved by the next version of Windows, although in terms of ease-of-use between
the two clients, there certainly is lots of work to do.
____________________________________________
Jonathan Kay
Windows MVP, Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com

"uh huh" <moreexcusesforalackofthinking RemoveThis @msn.com> wrote in message
news:057601c370ef$26ad4490$a101280a@phx.gbl...
> jonathon,
> interesting reply but it only enforces blarizs point.
>
> re
> >"For example, Outlook has Exchange server support, etc.
> whereas Outlook Express includes newsgroup support. Would
> you only allow one "Outlook" installed, and you have to
> choose between the two?"
>
> No - i'd want one product that can do everything and that
> is simple to use. not 2 that are interlinked and cause
> problems for users!!
> Duh! is this an example of ms thinking?
>
> even if oexpress is free and outlook has to be bought you
> would expect the outlook bought version to be able to do
> at least everything the "free" version could do and when
> it was installed to remove the old program (becuase its
> functionality was incorporated in the new) but keep the
> data and key settings.
>
> same goes for messenger and msn messenger.
>
> Are you as frustrated by this as much as mere users like
> myself?
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Hi Blariz,
> >
> >At this point, you can compare MSN Messenger 6 and
> Windows Messenger 5 like Microsoft Outlook
> >and Outlook Express. Both perform the same basic
> functions, but both have features that the
> >other does not have. For example, Outlook has Exchange
> server support, etc. whereas Outlook
> >Express includes newsgroup support. Would you only allow
> one "Outlook" installed, and you
> >have to choose between the two? Windows Messenger has
> support for Exchange IM Servers and
> >Office Live Communication Servers (SIP), whereas MSN
> Messenger 6 does not, but has features
> >like display pictures and custom emoticons.
> >
> >Outlook and Outlook Express don't have the "problems"
> that we see in Windows Messenger/MSN
> >Messenger on XP, basically the "features" that work only
> in MSN Messenger 6 if Windows
> >Messenger is installed. This is primarily because when
> XP was released, Windows Messenger
> >was considered a part of the base operating system, and
> as such, components like Remote
> >Assistance were written with the knowledge that Windows
> Messenger would still be there. The
> >Messenger development teams can't start overwriting parts
> of Windows XP, and as such, until
> >these Windows components are updated, we'll see this
> restriction.
> >
> >Unfortunately it's unlikely this will be "fixed" until
> the next Windows release. As a final
> >note, I believe Internet Explorer 4 and Internet Explorer
> 5 were allowed to work and be
> >installed at the same time on one Windows installation.
> >____________________________________________
> >Jonathan Kay
> >Windows MVP, Messenger
> >Associate Expert
> >http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> >Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> >
> >
> >"blariz" <blariz RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:ujOnsZLcDHA.2960@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >> While I completely understand that Windows Messenger
> (comes with XP)
> >> is slightly different to MSN Messenger (downloadable
> version for all
> >> current
> >> Windows OS's), they do perform the same basic functions.
> >>
> >> Certainly one would think that Microsoft has the smarts
> to build software
> >> (Messenger) that sees that a previous version exists
> (Windows Messenger
> >> 4.x ) so that when installing the newer MSN Messenger
> 6.0, itupdates the
> >> previous version rather than installing itself along
> side the older version.
> >> To me,
> >> this implementation of MSN Messenger by Microsoft is
> completely without any
> >> forethought.
> >>
> >> Microsoft should have either allowed the upgrade of
> Windows Messenger 4.x to
> >> MSN Messenger 6.0 (ie.replacment) , OR they should
> provide the ability to
> >> completely remove version 4.7 in XP (not just the
> partial disabling that is
> >> described below). Functionally, it does not make sense
> to have 2 programs
> >> from the same software vendor that do basically the
> same things.
> >>
> >> Would Microsoft allow the installation of IE5 and IE6
> side-by-side? I would
> >> say not.
> >> So, why would they allow the same type of scenario with
> Messenger?
> >> Curious if anyone has any idea what Microsoft was
> thinking with this
> >> software.
> >> blariz
> >>
> >> "Jonathan Kay [MVP]" <msnewsreplies RemoveThis @jonathankay.com>
> wrote in message
> >> news:OXd8uf8bDHA.1696@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >> > Greetings Tam,
> >> >
> >> > What you can do is simply disable Windows Messenger.
> You can do so by
> >> opening it up, click
> >> > Tools, Options, Preferences tab and unchecking 'Run
> this program when
> >> Windows starts'. This
> >> > won't stop it from being loaded by some other
> application though. As well,
> >> you can disable it
> >> > further by going to Start, Control Panel, Add or
> Remove Programs,
> >> Add/Remove Windows
> >> > Components on the left, uncheck Windows Messenger in
> the components list
> >> and click Next >.
> >> > Note: this is only available if you've installed
> Windows XP Service Pack
> >> 1 -- if you haven't,
> >> > visit http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com. This won't
> remove Windows
> >> Messenger, but it will
> >> > let it stay out of your way, and allow MSN Messenger
> 6 to work properly.
> >> >
> >> > Of course, if you wish to use Windows Messenger
> instead you can simply
> >> uninstall MSN
> >> > Messenger 6.
> >> > ____________________________________________
> >> > Jonathan Kay
> >> > Windows MVP, Messenger
> >> > Associate Expert
> >> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
> >> > Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Tam Darcy" <tam RemoveThis @wadokaicollege.co.uk> wrote in
> message
> >> > news:072b01c36fc6$f93d7cb0$a101280a@phx.gbl...
> >> > > Hi,
> >> > > I recently installed MSN Messenger 6.
> >> > > I assumed that it become the default messenger prog.
> >> > > Instead it is turned off by windows messenger (or
> vice
> >> > > versa) I can't understand why you can install the
> MSN
> >> > > Messenger when there will be an obvious conflict.
> >> > > I presume I can just un-install MSN6? or is there
> >> > > something else that I should do to resolve this
> prob?
> >> > > The message that I get when either prog. switches
> the
> >> > > other off is;
> >> > > Closing down messenger because you have logged on
> from
> >> > > another location...
> >> > > Any ideas.
> >> > > Thanks.
> >> > > Tam.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >.
> >