Network Access: Can't see XP or Win 98 computers with Vist..

* Sumer Yamaner:
> "EagleOne" <EagleOne DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com>, iletisinde şunu yazdı,
> news:d5i9b3hice6dib9i1764cda2dpjn5u2usk@4ax.com...
>> Vista Business and XP Pro
>>
>> Initially, my new Vista computer could access my wireless router but
>> my Vista computer could not "see" my XP Pro computers nor the reverse.
>>
>> My solution:
>> 1) Make sure that all computers are in the same WORKGROUP
>> XP (or Win98) used MSHOME as the default workgroup name
>> Vistia uses WORKGROUP as the default workgroup name
>> Therefore, on the Vista I changed my workgroup name to MSHOME
>> (Control Panel\System\Change Workgroup Name) -OR-
>> (Control Panel\Network and Internet\Network Sharing Center)
>> 2 ) On the Vista Computer one must also TURN Network Discovery ON
>> (Control Panel\Network and Internet\Network Sharing Center)
>>
>> Not all hardware can be "seen" by all.

> There is a patch for XP correcting this problem: KB922120-v5-x86-ENU.exe
>
> Have a look at: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922120/en-us

That "patch" doesn't really "fix" the networking problems
most users have experienced. You do *not* need that "patch"
in order to network Vista and XP machines.

In fact, adding the Link-Layer Topology Discovery (LLTD) Responder component
to XP will just add unnecessary fru fru traffic to your network.


-Michael

"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2.DeleteThis@dslr.net>, iletisinde şunu yazdı,
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>* Sumer Yamaner:
>> "EagleOne" <EagleOne.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com>, iletisinde şunu yazdı,
>> news:d5i9b3hice6dib9i1764cda2dpjn5u2usk@4ax.com...
>>> Vista Business and XP Pro
>>>
>>> Initially, my new Vista computer could access my wireless router but
>>> my Vista computer could not "see" my XP Pro computers nor the reverse.
>>>
>>> My solution:
>>> 1) Make sure that all computers are in the same WORKGROUP
>>> XP (or Win98) used MSHOME as the default workgroup name
>>> Vistia uses WORKGROUP as the default workgroup name
>>> Therefore, on the Vista I changed my workgroup name to MSHOME
>>> (Control Panel\System\Change Workgroup Name) -OR-
>>> (Control Panel\Network and Internet\Network Sharing Center)
>>> 2 ) On the Vista Computer one must also TURN Network Discovery ON
>>> (Control Panel\Network and Internet\Network Sharing Center)
>>>
>>> Not all hardware can be "seen" by all.
>
>> There is a patch for XP correcting this problem: KB922120-v5-x86-ENU.exe
>>
>> Have a look at: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922120/en-us
>
> That "patch" doesn't really "fix" the networking problems
> most users have experienced. You do *not* need that "patch"
> in order to network Vista and XP machines.
>
> In fact, adding the Link-Layer Topology Discovery (LLTD) Responder
> component
> to XP will just add unnecessary fru fru traffic to your network.
>
>
> -Michael

Thank you for the advice. I am a scientist and I always try to give solid
references when I say something. In this case I have given a reference from
the "producer" of both XP and Vista. My own experience where I solved the
very same problem using this software "patch" is another proof for me.
Sowould you please give a reliable reference for your argument?
Thanks again.

Sumer Yamaner

is this reliable enough?


I plugged my xp and vista machine onto the network turned them on and they
saw eachother.

so no you dont neeed the patch


"Sumer Yamaner" <syamaner_DELETE_.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2.DeleteThis@dslr.net>, iletisinde şunu yazdı,
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>>* Sumer Yamaner:
>>> "EagleOne" <EagleOne.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com>, iletisinde şunu yazdı,
>>> news:d5i9b3hice6dib9i1764cda2dpjn5u2usk@4ax.com...
>>>> Vista Business and XP Pro
>>>>
>>>> Initially, my new Vista computer could access my wireless router but
>>>> my Vista computer could not "see" my XP Pro computers nor the reverse.
>>>>
>>>> My solution:
>>>> 1) Make sure that all computers are in the same WORKGROUP
>>>> XP (or Win98) used MSHOME as the default workgroup name
>>>> Vistia uses WORKGROUP as the default workgroup name
>>>> Therefore, on the Vista I changed my workgroup name to MSHOME
>>>> (Control Panel\System\Change Workgroup Name) -OR-
>>>> (Control Panel\Network and Internet\Network Sharing Center)
>>>> 2 ) On the Vista Computer one must also TURN Network Discovery ON
>>>> (Control Panel\Network and Internet\Network Sharing Center)
>>>>
>>>> Not all hardware can be "seen" by all.
>>
>>> There is a patch for XP correcting this problem: KB922120-v5-x86-ENU.exe
>>>
>>> Have a look at: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922120/en-us
>>
>> That "patch" doesn't really "fix" the networking problems
>> most users have experienced. You do *not* need that "patch"
>> in order to network Vista and XP machines.
>>
>> In fact, adding the Link-Layer Topology Discovery (LLTD) Responder
>> component
>> to XP will just add unnecessary fru fru traffic to your network.
>>
>>
>> -Michael
>
> Thank you for the advice. I am a scientist and I always try to give solid
> references when I say something. In this case I have given a reference
> from the "producer" of both XP and Vista. My own experience where I solved
> the very same problem using this software "patch" is another proof for me.
> Sowould you please give a reliable reference for your argument?
> Thanks again.
>
> Sumer Yamaner
>

I have 11 machines on my home network.
One has Vista Ultimate, the other 10 an assortment of XP Home, Professional
and Media center.
Six of the XP machines were 'discovered' by Vista without the patch, four
machines were visible if I manually navigated to them in Vista, but were
'discovered' after applying the patch. All have the same Workgroup name and
all run through the same router/firewall/DHCP server.
I haven't added any Vista machines to my corporate network, so I can't tell
you about those 250 machines being discovered or not.

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"noaim" <noaim.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> is this reliable enough?
>
>
> I plugged my xp and vista machine onto the network turned them on and they
> saw eachother.
>
> so no you dont neeed the patch
>
>
> "Sumer Yamaner" <syamaner_DELETE_.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2.TakeThisOut@dslr.net>, iletisinde şunu yazdı,
>> news:uuhecms1HHA.5532@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>* Sumer Yamaner:
>>>> "EagleOne" <EagleOne.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com>, iletisinde şunu yazdı,
>>>> news:d5i9b3hice6dib9i1764cda2dpjn5u2usk@4ax.com...
>>>>> Vista Business and XP Pro
>>>>>
>>>>> Initially, my new Vista computer could access my wireless router but
>>>>> my Vista computer could not "see" my XP Pro computers nor the reverse.
>>>>>
>>>>> My solution:
>>>>> 1) Make sure that all computers are in the same WORKGROUP
>>>>> XP (or Win98) used MSHOME as the default workgroup name
>>>>> Vistia uses WORKGROUP as the default workgroup name
>>>>> Therefore, on the Vista I changed my workgroup name to MSHOME
>>>>> (Control Panel\System\Change Workgroup Name) -OR-
>>>>> (Control Panel\Network and Internet\Network Sharing Center)
>>>>> 2 ) On the Vista Computer one must also TURN Network Discovery ON
>>>>> (Control Panel\Network and Internet\Network Sharing Center)
>>>>>
>>>>> Not all hardware can be "seen" by all.
>>>
>>>> There is a patch for XP correcting this problem:
>>>> KB922120-v5-x86-ENU.exe
>>>>
>>>> Have a look at: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922120/en-us
>>>
>>> That "patch" doesn't really "fix" the networking problems
>>> most users have experienced. You do *not* need that "patch"
>>> in order to network Vista and XP machines.
>>>
>>> In fact, adding the Link-Layer Topology Discovery (LLTD) Responder
>>> component
>>> to XP will just add unnecessary fru fru traffic to your network.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Michael
>>
>> Thank you for the advice. I am a scientist and I always try to give solid
>> references when I say something. In this case I have given a reference
>> from the "producer" of both XP and Vista. My own experience where I
>> solved the very same problem using this software "patch" is another proof
>> for me. Sowould you please give a reliable reference for your argument?
>> Thanks again.
>>
>> Sumer Yamaner
>>
>

Appreciate all of the responses.

I had a typo in my statement:
My final sentance s/h/b > Now all hardware can be "seen" by all

As it turned out I did not need the patch which I believe was to be
applied to the XP O/S. That said, it seems to make some sense.

Thanks again - EagleOne


On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 14:00:09 -0500, EagleOne
<EagleOne.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Vista Business and XP Pro
>
>Initially, my new Vista computer could access my wireless router but
>my Vista computer could not "see" my XP Pro computers nor the reverse.
>
>My solution:
> 1) Make sure that all computers are in the same WORKGROUP
> XP (or Win98) used MSHOME as the default workgroup name
> Vistia uses WORKGROUP as the default workgroup name
> Therefore, on the Vista I changed my workgroup name to MSHOME
> (Control Panel\System\Change Workgroup Name) -OR-
> (Control Panel\Network and Internet\Network Sharing Center)
> 2 ) On the Vista Computer one must also TURN Network Discovery ON
> (Control Panel\Network and Internet\Network Sharing Center)
>
>Not all hardware can be "seen" by all.

* Sumer Yamaner:
> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2.TakeThisOut@dslr.net>, iletisinde şunu yazdı,
> news:uuhecms1HHA.5532@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> * Sumer Yamaner:
>>> "EagleOne" <EagleOne.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com>, iletisinde şunu yazdı,
>>> news:d5i9b3hice6dib9i1764cda2dpjn5u2usk@4ax.com...
>>>> Vista Business and XP Pro
>>>>
>>>> Initially, my new Vista computer could access my wireless router but
>>>> my Vista computer could not "see" my XP Pro computers nor the reverse.
>>>>
>>>> My solution:
>>>> 1) Make sure that all computers are in the same WORKGROUP
>>>> XP (or Win98) used MSHOME as the default workgroup name
>>>> Vistia uses WORKGROUP as the default workgroup name
>>>> Therefore, on the Vista I changed my workgroup name to MSHOME
>>>> (Control Panel\System\Change Workgroup Name) -OR-
>>>> (Control Panel\Network and Internet\Network Sharing Center)
>>>> 2 ) On the Vista Computer one must also TURN Network Discovery ON
>>>> (Control Panel\Network and Internet\Network Sharing Center)
>>>>
>>>> Not all hardware can be "seen" by all.
>>> There is a patch for XP correcting this problem: KB922120-v5-x86-ENU.exe
>>>
>>> Have a look at: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922120/en-us
>> That "patch" doesn't really "fix" the networking problems
>> most users have experienced. You do *not* need that "patch"
>> in order to network Vista and XP machines.
>>
>> In fact, adding the Link-Layer Topology Discovery (LLTD) Responder
>> component
>> to XP will just add unnecessary fru fru traffic to your network.
>>
>>
>> -Michael
>
> Thank you for the advice. I am a scientist and I always try to give solid
> references when I say something. In this case I have given a reference from
> the "producer" of both XP and Vista. My own experience where I solved the
> very same problem using this software "patch" is another proof for me.
> Sowould you please give a reliable reference for your argument?
> Thanks again.
>
> Sumer Yamaner

Networking is *not* handled by the LLTD protocol, it is mainly used
for discovering/displaying a pretty picture of local computers... a network map.
It has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not local machines
can actually be networked together- that is a function of TCP/IP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link_Layer_Topology_Discovery


-Michael

"EagleOne" <EagleOne.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Vista Business and XP Pro
>
> Initially, my new Vista computer could access my wireless router but
> my Vista computer could not "see" my XP Pro computers nor the reverse.
>
> My solution:
> 1) Make sure that all computers are in the same WORKGROUP
> XP (or Win98) used MSHOME as the default workgroup name
> Vistia uses WORKGROUP as the default workgroup name
> Therefore, on the Vista I changed my workgroup name to MSHOME
> (Control Panel\System\Change Workgroup Name) -OR-
> (Control Panel\Network and Internet\Network Sharing Center)
> 2 ) On the Vista Computer one must also TURN Network Discovery ON
> (Control Panel\Network and Internet\Network Sharing Center)
>
> Not all hardware can be "seen" by all.
>
You must set Sharing on all the things on the XP and Vista machines. like
files and printers and run the network wizards on the XP machines.

--
Ian

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