Firewire (IEEE 1394) not working

So, the update doesn't apply to my system. Great.


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sinamos

12_4_08 was the last time I shot something from the firewire. There are
about 20 security updates after this point. I'm thinking of
uninstalling these updates and crossing my fingers to pin-point the
problem.


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sinamos

No go on the update uninstall. It made no difference. This is
horrible.


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sinamos

It ain't vista at all. Damn, I feel like a jack-hole. I checked inside
the dv port and noticed the female end of the camera got jacked. Such
bull, but I had to put the info out there.


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sinamos

sinamos;979842 Wrote:
> It ain't vista at all. Damn, I feel like a jack-hole. I checked inside
> the dv port and noticed the female end of the camera got jacked. Such
> bull, but I had to put the info out there.


New on here. Same problem as many of you with having the 1394 port
recognize a connected device - a Camera. In my case a Sony DCR-TRV315.
After reading all of these responses and doing some experimenting I very
much believe that this is a Microsoft Vista software/driver issue. When
I plug my DCR-TRV315 into my son's Apple MacBook - BOOM - there is is in
iMovie and I movie is "Ready to import from DCR-TRV315"......could not
be any easier - thats PLUG & PLAY.

HOW does something like this get RAISED as a problem report officially
to Microsoft versus us regular people just complaining about it.


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Brian Walton

Hi There

I had same problem with my Sony Digital8 (also called HI8 ) handycam.
My vista system was not able to detect my Handycam with a very very
cheap FIREWIRE PCI Card I bought in local market for only $4, yes four
dollars. It came with same cable 6pin to 4pin Firewire (Sony calls it
i.Link). I was trying to connect with same cable 4pin at camera end and
6pin on PCI Card, with no luck. I tried everything an expert would do,
but got only frustration. Even tried a lot on Internet for the solution
but it seems no one knew.

Then I started from scratch, TO DECIDED TO READ MANUAL. While reading
the PDF manual found on Sony Support site, trust me, I found those
golden words "USE ONLY 4PIN TO 4PIN i.Link Cable for Firewire
connection."

I ran back to market and bought 4PIN TO 4PIN Firewire Cable for $1.5
At first trial, trust me, it detected "SONY DV Camcorder" and installed
drivers automatically. I confirmed by going into Device Manager and
found same entry in Imaging Device section. Then what in every possible
software existed on my system, DV Capture was available, which was found
always disabled.
Now the funny part it, technically there is no difference in 6pin to
4pin Firewire cable as two pins are used for Voltage which is discarded
at 4 pin end. But it seems SONY Handycam does not wants itself to
connect it to 6pin socket at PCI card end.

So these are the final things to remember.
--------------------------------------------------------
1) Use only 4pin to 4pin Firewire cable (any cheaper make. $1.5 will
do)
2) Use any cheaper FIREWIRE PCI card with at least one 4pin firewire
socket. When installed XP or Vista will install driver automatically
just confirm that "IEEE 1394 bus host controller" entry is shown in
Device manager or not.
3) No matter you use cheaper or costlier PCI card or cable the quality
will always be same coz D8 Handycams directly transfer encoded Video
Data in Digital format thru Firewire cable. Firewire cable does not
transfer RF video input. I get default video with 720x576 with 25
Frames/s in PAL mode.
4) No additional codecs are required to install in pc like others
suggested. Required codecs are always there in XP and VISTA with
windows movie maker.
5) No additional software is required, as you can directly capture with
Windows Movie Maker in high quality. My choice is Adobe Premier CS3. If
you want to make directly MPG file you may use ULEAD VIDEOSTUDIO 8 or
later.
6) Dont blame SONY as they already told you which exact cable to use.
7) Dont blame Vista. Its nothing to do with it. Sony's PicturePackage
for XP does not work on vista. For vista they offered PICTURE MOTION
BROWSER which also have easy VIDEO Capture utlity with same high quality
capture.
7) In handycam mode, you can control PLAY/STOP/PAUSE of Handycam from
PC itself from all the video software you use, which is high convinience
for capturing.

8) My sureshot capture sequence is as follows
a) Remove BATTERY from camera and switch on with AC Adaptor
b) Put it on PLAY/EDIT mode (also called VCR mode).
c) Connect 4pin to 4pin firewire cable on camera side and in
firewire PCI Card. Now you see the words DV-IN on LCD of camera, if LCD
is open.
d) Now start any Video Capture Software of your choice. You will
find CAPTURE command in FILE menu in almost all softwares.
e) Enjoy.....

Trust me I am going to add this information in almost all forums where
similar problems were asked but nowhere the solution found. May be I can
help them. Trust me I signed up this forum only to add this information.


Thanks for listening

Mahendra
Mumbai, India


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cmahendra

Hi There

I had same problem with my Sony Digital8 (also called HI8 ) handycam.
My vista system was not able to detect my Handycam with a very very
cheap FIREWIRE PCI Card I bought in local market for only $4, yes four
dollars. It came with same cable 6pin to 4pin Firewire (Sony calls it
i.Link). I was trying to connect with same cable 4pin at camera end and
6pin on PCI Card, with no luck. I tried everything an expert would do,
but got only frustration. Even tried a lot on Internet for the solution
but it seems no one knew.

Then I started from scratch, TO DECIDED TO READ MANUAL. While reading
the PDF manual found on Sony Support site, trust me, I found those
golden words "USE ONLY 4PIN TO 4PIN i.Link Cable for Firewire
connection."

I ran back to market and bought 4PIN TO 4PIN Firewire Cable for $1.5

At first trial, trust me, it detected "SONY DV Camcorder" and installed
drivers automatically. I confirmed by going into Device Manager and
found same entry in Imaging Device section. Then what in every possible
software existed on my system, DV Capture was available, which was found
always disabled.

Now the funny part it, technically there is no difference in 6pin to
4pin Firewire cable as two pins are used for Voltage which is discarded
at 4 pin end. But it seems SONY Handycam does not wants itself to
connect it to 6pin socket at PCI card end.

So these are the final things to remember.
--------------------------------------------------------
1) Use only 4pin to 4pin Firewire cable (any cheaper make. $1.5 will
do)

2) Use any cheaper FIREWIRE PCI card with at least one 4pin firewire
socket. When installed XP or Vista will install driver automatically
just confirm that "IEEE 1394 bus host controller" entry is shown in
Device manager or not.

3) No matter you use cheaper or costlier PCI card or cable the quality
will always be same coz D8 Handycams directly transfer encoded Video
Data in Digital format thru Firewire cable. Firewire cable does not
transfer RF video input. I get default video with 720x576 with 25
Frames/s in PAL mode.

4) No additional codecs are required to install in pc like others
suggested. Required codecs are always there in XP and VISTA with
windows movie maker.

5) No additional software is required, as you can directly capture with
Windows Movie Maker in high quality. My choice is Adobe Premier CS3. If
you want to make directly MPG file you may use ULEAD VIDEOSTUDIO 8 or
later.

6) Dont blame SONY as they already told you which exact cable to use.

7) Dont blame Vista. Its nothing to do with it. Sony's PicturePackage
for XP does not work on vista. For vista they offered PICTURE MOTION
BROWSER which also have easy VIDEO Capture utlity with same high quality
capture.

7) In handycam mode, you can control PLAY/STOP/PAUSE of Handycam from
PC itself from all the video software you use, which is high convinience
for capturing.

The sequence to capture is first Switch on the CAMERA, put it on
PLAY/EDIT mode (also called VCR mode). Then connect firewire cable on
both sides. Now you see the words DV-IN on LCD of camera. Now start any
Video Capture Software of your choice. You will find CAPTURE command in
FILE menu in almost all softwares.

Trust me I am going to add this information in almost all forums where
similar problems were asked but nowhere the solution found. May be I can
help them. Trust me I signed up this forum only to add this information.


Thanks for listening

Mahendra
Mumbai, India


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cmahendra;994745 Wrote:
> Hi There
>
> I had same problem with my Sony Digital8 (also called HI8 ) handycam.
> My vista system was not able to detect my Handycam with a very very
> cheap FIREWIRE PCI Card I bought in local market for only $4, yes four
> dollars. It came with same cable 6pin to 4pin Firewire (Sony calls it
> i.Link). I was trying to connect with same cable 4pin at camera end and
> 6pin on PCI Card, with no luck. I tried everything an expert would do,
> but got only frustration. Even tried a lot on Internet for the solution
> but it seems no one knew.
>
> Then I started from scratch, TO DECIDED TO READ MANUAL. While reading
> the PDF manual found on Sony Support site, trust me, I found those
> golden words "USE ONLY 4PIN TO 4PIN i.Link Cable for Firewire
> connection."
>
> I ran back to market and bought 4PIN TO 4PIN Firewire Cable for $1.5
> At first trial, trust me, it detected "SONY DV Camcorder" and installed
> drivers automatically. I confirmed by going into Device Manager and
> found same entry in Imaging Device section. Then what in every possible
> software existed on my system, DV Capture was available, which was found
> always disabled.
> Now the funny part it, technically there is no difference in 6pin to
> 4pin Firewire cable as two pins are used for Voltage which is discarded
> at 4 pin end. But it seems SONY Handycam does not wants itself to
> connect it to 6pin socket at PCI card end.
>
> So these are the final things to remember.
> --------------------------------------------------------
> 1) Use only 4pin to 4pin Firewire cable (any cheaper make. $1.5 will
> do)
> 2) Use any cheaper FIREWIRE PCI card with at least one 4pin firewire
> socket. When installed XP or Vista will install driver automatically
> just confirm that "IEEE 1394 bus host controller" entry is shown in
> Device manager or not.
> 3) No matter you use cheaper or costlier PCI card or cable the quality
> will always be same coz D8 Handycams directly transfer encoded Video
> Data in Digital format thru Firewire cable. Firewire cable does not
> transfer RF video input. I get default video with 720x576 with 25
> Frames/s in PAL mode.
> 4) No additional codecs are required to install in pc like others
> suggested. Required codecs are always there in XP and VISTA with windows
> movie maker.
> 5) No additional software is required, as you can directly capture with
> Windows Movie Maker in high quality. My choice is Adobe Premier CS3. If
> you want to make directly MPG file you may use ULEAD VIDEOSTUDIO 8 or
> later.
> 6) Dont blame SONY as they already told you which exact cable to use.
> 7) Dont blame Vista. Its nothing to do with it. Sony's PicturePackage
> for XP does not work on vista. For vista they offered PICTURE MOTION
> BROWSER which also have easy VIDEO Capture utlity with same high quality
> capture.
> 7) In handycam mode, you can control PLAY/STOP/PAUSE of Handycam from
> PC itself from all the video software you use, which is high convinience
> for capturing.
>
> My sureshot capture sequence is as follows
> a) Remove BATTERY from camera and switch on with AC Adaptor
> b) Put it on PLAY/EDIT mode (also called VCR mode).
> c) Connect 4pin to 4pin firewire cable on camera side and in firewire
> PCI Card. Now you see the words DV-IN on LCD of camera, if LCD is open.
> d) Now start any Video Capture Software of your choice. You will find
> CAPTURE command in FILE menu in almost all softwares.
> e) Enjoy.....
>
> Trust me I am going to add this information in almost all forums where
> similar problems were asked but nowhere the solution found. May be I can
> help them. Trust me I signed up this forum only to add this information.
>
>
> Thanks for listening
>
> Mahendra
> Mumbai, India


Thanks for your input Mahendra.

I will be patient and give this a try. I do need to say though that on
my HP Pavilion dv7 Laptop I only have a 4PIN Firewire port and so all of
my attempts to my laptop were using a 4PIN to 4PIN cable. When I used
the MacBook it was 4PIN(Sony DCR-TRV315) to 6PIN(MacBook) which worked
perfectly. NOW I HAVE NOT tried another cable (maybe mine is broken) nor
have a tried another WinPC with a 4PIN connector. My major concern here
is that I am STUCK with my laptop PC and VERY VERY much want to use ONLY
it for this purpose. Regardless I will give your step by step a go and
see what happens. I will certainly open the LCD as well to see if I get
the "DV-IN" message (which would be a GOOD thing).

Thanks again.


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Brian Walton

Well. Well. Well. I have no idea where thing WERE going wrong BUT it
looks like I had a BAD CABLE all along. I bought a 2nd 4PIN to 4PIN
cable and BOOM.......it all works now.....Hmmmmm


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Brian Walton

Ah, the inspired enthusiasm of youth, above. But alas, the old fallacy
of inductive reasoning still holds true. Unless the rules of logic have
changed, a local success aint a global remedy. This is no solution for
my VAIO (sony) laptop's 4pin firewire to 4pin of Sony VX-2000.

Soooo... I for one continue to blame Vista and/or Sony with full vigor.


Any _real_ fixes on the horizon?


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Firewire is not supported in Vista-try downloading 3rd party drivers.

It works for my firewire connected JVC miniDV camcorder, but wont work
for connecting two computers.


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Guys, I'm lucky enough (?) to have two computers that have firewire
interfaces. One is a SONY Vaio running Vista Home Premium 32 and the
other is one that I built using the i7 Intel running Vista Home Premium
64. The Sony PC works with all of my Sony cameras and FireStore devices,
perfectly. The i7 PC does not. I have tried numerous fixes including
installing two different 1394 interface cards besides using the on-board
1394 interface. The Vista 64 PC will not reconize any 1394 device. When
I hook up to the V64 I get the Windows "ding" sound but the pop up
window that tells you that the device is now ready to use never shows
up. The SONY VIAO works without any problem WITH THE SAME CABLE AND
DEVICES. This is NOT a cable issue.

I also have an old XP (32 bit) machine with a Creative sound card that
includes a 1394 interface. All of my cameras and firewire devices work
with it.

For now I must download the video to the Sony and then move the files
to the i7 PC for editing and rendering (Wow, it is FAST!).

I am hoping that this weekend I will have time to do a comparison of
the registry settings between the two Vista PCs. I think that the clue
to this lies there. It would explain why some PCs work and some don't if
the Vista install has different settings. I am now using three different
chip sets on firewire interfaces so I think that that has been ruled
out. The same cables that work on one PC won't work on the other so the
cables are not the issue. Vista 64 says that all of the 1394 devices are
"working correctly.....BS" so the drivers are there and at least loaded.

Wish me luck..............


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Battman540

I'm using a Grass Valley (Canopus) ADVC video capture device with the
supplied cable. I was plugging in the ADVC to the top firewire port and
would get a "ping" sound. Last week Adobe Premiere wouldn't recognize the
ADVC. When I unplug and plug back in no "ping" sound. I plugged the ADVC
into my laptop with that same cable and the laptop recognized the ADVC fine.

How can I remove and reinstall drivers or files associated with the 1394
Host and XP?

Darrell

"Cari (MS-MVP)" wrote:

> A 4pin to 4pin 1394 cable isn't powered like a 6pin one. If you're using a
> notebook and only have access to 4pin (either end) then ensure you have the
> camcorder using A/C power, which should be enough to keep the connection
> going. If you are on a desktop, use the 6pin (PC end) to 4pin (camcorder
> end) and you should get a good connection.
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>
> "vibhub" <vibhub.35l3z7.RemoveThis@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
> news:vibhub.35l3z7@no-mx.forums.net...
> >
> > I have Sony DCR-TRV18E Digital Video Camera. When I try to import the
> > video using a 4-pin IEEE1394 cable on Windows Vista using Microsoft
> > Movie Maker, I get the message that my camera is not connected to the
> > laptop.
> >
> > Is there any driver that needs to be installed or could there be a
> > problem in the cable itself?
> >
> > Vibhu
> >
> >
> > --
> > vibhub
>