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Pete d'Oronzio [pdmagic]

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:22 am
Post subject: Display problems with certain websites II
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Vista appears to be having a problem with my network. Some websites
show up without properly loading stylesheets and/or images. It
appears that perhaps it occurs when the resource is on a different
server from the main page.

The most obvious web page with this problem is microsoft.com!
http://www.microsoft.com/en/us/default.aspx

Another page that often fails: http://nytimes.com

Here's what it looks like in IE 7 and in Safari on Vista:
http://research.pdmagic.com/test/vistaIE7/microsoft_com.pdf


Here you can see that .js and .css are loaded from different machine
names:
<script type="text/javascript"
src="http://i3.microsoft.com/shared/core/1/js/library.js">

@import url('http://i2.microsoft.com/shared/core/1/css/core.css');

The problem is specific to Vista, and appears to be specific to my
network. Here are the facts:

1. I installed Vista 32 Ultimate on my Laptop in January and
experienced the problem, so uninstalled.
2. Recently installed Vista 64 Ultimate on my desktop and have the
same problem.
3. Recently installed Vista 32 Ultimate on my laptop (again) - same
problem.
4. There are about 6 computers in the office running XP, 2K, 2003
that do not have this problem. (running a variety of browsers
including IE7)
5. I put a VMWare virtual machine on the Vista 64 desktop - XP pro in
the VM. It doesn't have the problem.
6. I put the same VMWare XP Pro virtual machine on the laptop running
Vista 32. Also doesn't have the problem.
7. Went to a different network and problem goes away completely.
8. Problem occurs on my network using wireless OR wired NIC's.
9. Other computers that work in the office are connected to same
switch as the two that don't work.
10. The problem in intermittent. It works 10% of the time, fails 90%
of the time.

My network configuration is:
DSL from Qwest
Cisco 678 DSL Modem/Router
GnatBox firewall software running on computer with Intel GB NIC's
Netgear GB switch

I'd like to install Vista on other systems in the office, but can't
afford to have them fail on common web sites.

Suggestions?

Thanks,

-Pete
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Pete d'Oronzio [pdmagic]

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:31 am
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The "II" in the subject refers to this post by someone else:

From: =?Utf-8?B?S0M=?= <KC.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com>
Subject: Display Problems on Certain Websites
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:18:00 -0700
Message-ID: <2F80B22E-36D2-4211-A2E7-C147B9F26DFF.RemoveThis@microsoft.com>

Our problems seem similar.

-Pete
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Ian Betts

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:47 am
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"Pete d'Oronzio [pdmagic]" <myfirstname.RemoveThis@pdmagic.com> wrote in message
news:#krehO21HHA.6128@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Vista appears to be having a problem with my network. Some websites
> show up without properly loading stylesheets and/or images. It
> appears that perhaps it occurs when the resource is on a different
> server from the main page.
>
> The most obvious web page with this problem is microsoft.com!
> http://www.microsoft.com/en/us/default.aspx
>
> Another page that often fails: http://nytimes.com
>
> Here's what it looks like in IE 7 and in Safari on Vista:
> http://research.pdmagic.com/test/vistaIE7/microsoft_com.pdf
>
>
> Here you can see that .js and .css are loaded from different machine
> names:
> <script type="text/javascript"
> src="http://i3.microsoft.com/shared/core/1/js/library.js">
>
> @import url('http://i2.microsoft.com/shared/core/1/css/core.css');
>
> The problem is specific to Vista, and appears to be specific to my
> network. Here are the facts:
>
> 1. I installed Vista 32 Ultimate on my Laptop in January and
> experienced the problem, so uninstalled.
> 2. Recently installed Vista 64 Ultimate on my desktop and have the
> same problem.
> 3. Recently installed Vista 32 Ultimate on my laptop (again) - same
> problem.
> 4. There are about 6 computers in the office running XP, 2K, 2003
> that do not have this problem. (running a variety of browsers
> including IE7)
> 5. I put a VMWare virtual machine on the Vista 64 desktop - XP pro in
> the VM. It doesn't have the problem.
> 6. I put the same VMWare XP Pro virtual machine on the laptop running
> Vista 32. Also doesn't have the problem.
> 7. Went to a different network and problem goes away completely.
> 8. Problem occurs on my network using wireless OR wired NIC's.
> 9. Other computers that work in the office are connected to same
> switch as the two that don't work.
> 10. The problem in intermittent. It works 10% of the time, fails 90%
> of the time.
>
> My network configuration is:
> DSL from Qwest
> Cisco 678 DSL Modem/Router
> GnatBox firewall software running on computer with Intel GB NIC's
> Netgear GB switch
>
> I'd like to install Vista on other systems in the office, but can't
> afford to have them fail on common web sites.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Pete
>
>
Frankly after all those attempts to install I would format and start a clean
install on all of them..

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Ian

With patience there is always a way.

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Pete d'Oronzio [pdmagic]

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:47 am
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Ian Betts wrote:

>
>
> "Pete d'Oronzio [pdmagic]" <myfirstname DeleteThis @pdmagic.com> wrote in
> message news:#krehO21HHA.6128@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> > Vista appears to be having a problem with my network. Some
> > websites show up without properly loading stylesheets and/or
> > images. It appears that perhaps it occurs when the resource is on
> > a different server from the main page.
> >
> > The most obvious web page with this problem is microsoft.com!
> > http://www.microsoft.com/en/us/default.aspx
> >
> > Another page that often fails: http://nytimes.com
> >
> > Here's what it looks like in IE 7 and in Safari on Vista:
> > http://research.pdmagic.com/test/vistaIE7/microsoft_com.pdf
> >
> >
> > Here you can see that .js and .css are loaded from different
> > machine names:
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://i3.microsoft.com/shared/core/1/js/library.js">
> >
> > @import url('http://i2.microsoft.com/shared/core/1/css/core.css');
> >
> > The problem is specific to Vista, and appears to be specific to my
> > network. Here are the facts:
> >
> > 1. I installed Vista 32 Ultimate on my Laptop in January and
> > experienced the problem, so uninstalled.
> > 2. Recently installed Vista 64 Ultimate on my desktop and have the
> > same problem.
> > 3. Recently installed Vista 32 Ultimate on my laptop (again) -
> > same problem.
> > 4. There are about 6 computers in the office running XP, 2K, 2003
> > that do not have this problem. (running a variety of browsers
> > including IE7)
> > 5. I put a VMWare virtual machine on the Vista 64 desktop - XP
> > pro in the VM. It doesn't have the problem.
> > 6. I put the same VMWare XP Pro virtual machine on the laptop
> > running Vista 32. Also doesn't have the problem.
> > 7. Went to a different network and problem goes away completely.
> > 8. Problem occurs on my network using wireless OR wired NIC's.
> > 9. Other computers that work in the office are connected to same
> > switch as the two that don't work.
> > 10. The problem in intermittent. It works 10% of the time, fails
> > 90% of the time.
> >
> > My network configuration is:
> > DSL from Qwest
> > Cisco 678 DSL Modem/Router
> > GnatBox firewall software running on computer with Intel GB NIC's
> > Netgear GB switch
> >
> > I'd like to install Vista on other systems in the office, but
> > can't afford to have them fail on common web sites.
> >
> > Suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -Pete
> >
> >
> Frankly after all those attempts to install I would format and
> start a clean install on all of them..

These are *all* clean installs. Every single one of them. That's
two virtual machines and two physical machines. They didn't work at
the end of the install, or after applying MS patches.

And - at least 2 of the 4 (the laptop and its VM) work fine at
another location. Also, the laptop running an XP VM works fine on my
network.

Thanks,

-Pete
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Spirit

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:47 am
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Try Start - All Programs - Accessories - System Tools - IE without Add-ons

If that woks you have BHO's and/or running programs causing your issues.

"Pete d'Oronzio [pdmagic]" <myfirstname DeleteThis @pdmagic.com> wrote in message
news:%23njDvK31HHA.3640@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Ian Betts wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Pete d'Oronzio [pdmagic]" <myfirstname DeleteThis @pdmagic.com> wrote in
>> message news:#krehO21HHA.6128@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> > Vista appears to be having a problem with my network. Some
>> > websites show up without properly loading stylesheets and/or
>> > images. It appears that perhaps it occurs when the resource is on
>> > a different server from the main page.
>> >
>> > The most obvious web page with this problem is microsoft.com!
>> > http://www.microsoft.com/en/us/default.aspx
>> >
>> > Another page that often fails: http://nytimes.com
>> >
>> > Here's what it looks like in IE 7 and in Safari on Vista:
>> > http://research.pdmagic.com/test/vistaIE7/microsoft_com.pdf
>> >
>> >
>> > Here you can see that .js and .css are loaded from different
>> > machine names:
>> > <script type="text/javascript"
>> > src="http://i3.microsoft.com/shared/core/1/js/library.js">
>> >
>> > @import url('http://i2.microsoft.com/shared/core/1/css/core.css');
>> >
>> > The problem is specific to Vista, and appears to be specific to my
>> > network. Here are the facts:
>> >
>> > 1. I installed Vista 32 Ultimate on my Laptop in January and
>> > experienced the problem, so uninstalled.
>> > 2. Recently installed Vista 64 Ultimate on my desktop and have the
>> > same problem.
>> > 3. Recently installed Vista 32 Ultimate on my laptop (again) -
>> > same problem.
>> > 4. There are about 6 computers in the office running XP, 2K, 2003
>> > that do not have this problem. (running a variety of browsers
>> > including IE7)
>> > 5. I put a VMWare virtual machine on the Vista 64 desktop - XP
>> > pro in the VM. It doesn't have the problem.
>> > 6. I put the same VMWare XP Pro virtual machine on the laptop
>> > running Vista 32. Also doesn't have the problem.
>> > 7. Went to a different network and problem goes away completely.
>> > 8. Problem occurs on my network using wireless OR wired NIC's.
>> > 9. Other computers that work in the office are connected to same
>> > switch as the two that don't work.
>> > 10. The problem in intermittent. It works 10% of the time, fails
>> > 90% of the time.
>> >
>> > My network configuration is:
>> > DSL from Qwest
>> > Cisco 678 DSL Modem/Router
>> > GnatBox firewall software running on computer with Intel GB NIC's
>> > Netgear GB switch
>> >
>> > I'd like to install Vista on other systems in the office, but
>> > can't afford to have them fail on common web sites.
>> >
>> > Suggestions?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > -Pete
>> >
>> >
>> Frankly after all those attempts to install I would format and
>> start a clean install on all of them..
>
> These are *all* clean installs. Every single one of them. That's
> two virtual machines and two physical machines. They didn't work at
> the end of the install, or after applying MS patches.
>
> And - at least 2 of the 4 (the laptop and its VM) work fine at
> another location. Also, the laptop running an XP VM works fine on my
> network.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Pete
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:47 am
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Spirit wrote:

> Try Start - All Programs - Accessories - System Tools - IE without
> Add-ons
>
> If that woks you have BHO's and/or running programs causing your
> issues.
>

Same result. Still displays incorrectly.

Recall this is a fresh install of Vista. There are no add-ins.
Also, it works fine at other locations.

Back in January when I first tried to install Vista and had this
problem, I did a few searches to see if anyone else was experiencing
this. I can't find the link anymore, but I swear there was an
article somewhere that talked about Vista dealing with packets in a
way that older routers couldn't handle. Is this possible?

I've purchased a new dsl modem/router and plan to install next week
to see if it fixes it. My ISP says no way it will change anything,
but nothing wrong with getting something newer than my Cisco 678

Thanks,

-Pete
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:47 am
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I suspect you have something corrupting your data stream such as a bad
modem, router, possibly firewall and maybe even anti-virus. Close all
the programs you can and try again. Hardware issues are tougher to
troubleshoot without extra hardware.

"Pete d'Oronzio [pdmagic]" <myfirstname.TakeThisOut@pdmagic.com> wrote in message
news:ugsYqd31HHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Spirit wrote:
>
>> Try Start - All Programs - Accessories - System Tools - IE without
>> Add-ons
>>
>> If that woks you have BHO's and/or running programs causing your
>> issues.
>>
>
> Same result. Still displays incorrectly.
>
> Recall this is a fresh install of Vista. There are no add-ins.
> Also, it works fine at other locations.
>
> Back in January when I first tried to install Vista and had this
> problem, I did a few searches to see if anyone else was experiencing
> this. I can't find the link anymore, but I swear there was an
> article somewhere that talked about Vista dealing with packets in a
> way that older routers couldn't handle. Is this possible?
>
> I've purchased a new dsl modem/router and plan to install next week
> to see if it fixes it. My ISP says no way it will change anything,
> but nothing wrong with getting something newer than my Cisco 678
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Pete
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:47 am
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The problem could be a router on your leg of the internet and
it has not been found yet by the providers.

"Pete d'Oronzio [pdmagic]" <myfirstname.DeleteThis@pdmagic.com> wrote in message
news:ugsYqd31HHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Spirit wrote:
>
>> Try Start - All Programs - Accessories - System Tools - IE without
>> Add-ons
>>
>> If that woks you have BHO's and/or running programs causing your
>> issues.
>>
>
> Same result. Still displays incorrectly.
>
> Recall this is a fresh install of Vista. There are no add-ins.
> Also, it works fine at other locations.
>
> Back in January when I first tried to install Vista and had this
> problem, I did a few searches to see if anyone else was experiencing
> this. I can't find the link anymore, but I swear there was an
> article somewhere that talked about Vista dealing with packets in a
> way that older routers couldn't handle. Is this possible?
>
> I've purchased a new dsl modem/router and plan to install next week
> to see if it fixes it. My ISP says no way it will change anything,
> but nothing wrong with getting something newer than my Cisco 678
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Pete
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:47 am
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Spirit wrote:

> I suspect you have something corrupting your data stream such as a
> bad modem, router, possibly firewall and maybe even anti-virus.
> Close all the programs you can and try again. Hardware issues are
> tougher to troubleshoot without extra hardware.
>

Thanks for your suggestions.

I'll try setting up my laptop outside the firewall just after the dsl
modem. However, what could explain that an XP VM *running inside*
Vista would work? Also, that *every* non-Vista system on the network
functions correctly?

I mean, if I go outside the firewall and it works; and then I change
the dsl modem/router and it works inside; Then what sort of thing
could be happening that allows all other OS's to work except Vista?

-Pete
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:47 am
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Possibly a Vista Driver is corrupting your data flow and
the XP VM does not use that particular part of the driver.

"Pete d'Oronzio [pdmagic]" <myfirstname RemoveThis @pdmagic.com> wrote in message
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> Spirit wrote:
>
>> I suspect you have something corrupting your data stream such as a
>> bad modem, router, possibly firewall and maybe even anti-virus.
>> Close all the programs you can and try again. Hardware issues are
>> tougher to troubleshoot without extra hardware.
>>
>
> Thanks for your suggestions.
>
> I'll try setting up my laptop outside the firewall just after the dsl
> modem. However, what could explain that an XP VM *running inside*
> Vista would work? Also, that *every* non-Vista system on the network
> functions correctly?
>
> I mean, if I go outside the firewall and it works; and then I change
> the dsl modem/router and it works inside; Then what sort of thing
> could be happening that allows all other OS's to work except Vista?
>
> -Pete
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 3:57 pm
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Spirit wrote:

> The problem could be a router on your leg of the internet and
> it has not been found yet by the providers.
>

Changed my router.
Still only works 10% of the time. msn.com and microsoft.com included.
Don't get any diagnostics (as the page itself loads)

bummer Sad

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:48 am
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Still not solved. In fact, I'm seeeing it occur on an XP box as well.

I've posted a summary of what I've found so far on this page:

http://research.pdmagic.com/test/vistaIE7/

.... welcoming any ideas....

Thanks,

-Pete
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:31 am
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:31 am
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keepout.DeleteThis@yahoo.com.invalid wrote:

> On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 08:48:00 -0700, "Pete d'Oronzio [pdmagic]"
> <myfirstname.DeleteThis@pdmagic.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > http://research.pdmagic.com/test/vistaIE7/
> ...
>
> There is something else, but IE uses it as a test bed for addon's.
> START - ACCESSORIES - SYSTEM TOOLS - Internet explorer [no add-ons]
> ..

Tried that - and recall that I get the same behaviour in Safari.

Thanks.

-Pete

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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:26 pm
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Is this the article you saw? It might be relevant:

Windows Vista cannot obtain an IP address from certain routers or from
certain non-Microsoft DHCP servers->
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928233/en-us


"Pete d'Oronzio [pdmagic]" <myfirstname RemoveThis @pdmagic.com> wrote in message
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> Spirit wrote:
>
>> Try Start - All Programs - Accessories - System Tools - IE without
>> Add-ons
>>
>> If that woks you have BHO's and/or running programs causing your
>> issues.
>>
>
> Same result. Still displays incorrectly.
>
> Recall this is a fresh install of Vista. There are no add-ins.
> Also, it works fine at other locations.
>
> Back in January when I first tried to install Vista and had this
> problem, I did a few searches to see if anyone else was experiencing
> this. I can't find the link anymore, but I swear there was an
> article somewhere that talked about Vista dealing with packets in a
> way that older routers couldn't handle. Is this possible?
>
> I've purchased a new dsl modem/router and plan to install next week
> to see if it fixes it. My ISP says no way it will change anything,
> but nothing wrong with getting something newer than my Cisco 678
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Pete
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