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Daave

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:58 am
Post subject: Re: Administrator sign-on [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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M.I.5¾ wrote:
> "William B. Lurie" <billurie DeleteThis @nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:%23WDx8X9LKHA.1796@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Daave wrote:
>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>> Daave wrote:
>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>> XP/SP2.... In order to correct a Norton Anti-Virus problem,
>>>>>> I was asked to "Sign on as Administrator". In the years I've
>>>>>> used XP, I never had to do so. I do Start>>Log Off and I see
>>>>>> a choice of Switch User/Log Off but I don't see any different
>>>>>> log on. I am now, and have always been, the sole owner and user
>>>>>> of this computer and I'd have assumed that I'm automatically the
>>>>>> "Administrator". Can someone tell me how to specifically start up
>>>>>> and "Sign on as Administrator?"
>>>>> Try this:
>>>>>
>>>>> Start | Control Panel | User Accounts
>>>>>
>>>>> Underneath "or pick an account to change" how many accounts (other
>>>>> than "Guest") are listed? What does it say under the account you
>>>>> normally use -- "Computer administrator" or "Limited"?
>>>>>
>>>>> If it says "Computer administrator" and if Norton is instructing
>>>>> you to "Sign on as Administrator", then I would contact their
>>>>> support since you are already paying for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then again, you could always ditch Norton. Smile
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Au contraire, Dave, I have found their Chat support a tremendous
>>>> improvement over their old stiff unhelpful ways. Between times,
>>>> they took control and fixed the glitch. I guess i"m one of the'few
>>>> people who are happy with them.
>>>
>>> If you like 'em, keep 'em.
>>>
>>> So is your account "compter administator"? Never assume. Smile
>> My main sign-on account is "Compaq Owner". To get to the
>> "Administrator" account, I have to go to Safe Mode, and
>> then I get a choice of "Compaq Owner" or "Administrator".
>> Same guy. I get to wear two hats.
>
> If "Compaq Owner" appears on the welcome screen in safe mode then it
> is an administrator account. Only administrator accounts are offered
> in safe mode.

Good catch!
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M.I.5¾

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Since: Sep 28, 2006
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 5:20 am
Post subject: Re: Administrator sign-on [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Daave" <daave.DeleteThis@example.com> wrote in message
news:e21IwOIMKHA.3588@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> M.I.5¾ wrote:
>> "Daave" <daave.DeleteThis@example.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23LXqlK$LKHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>> Daave wrote:
>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>> Daave wrote:
>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>> Daave wrote:
>>>>>>>>> William B. Lurie wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> XP/SP2.... In order to correct a Norton Anti-Virus problem,
>>>>>>>>>> I was asked to "Sign on as Administrator". In the years I've
>>>>>>>>>> used XP, I never had to do so. I do Start>>Log Off and I see
>>>>>>>>>> a choice of Switch User/Log Off but I don't see any different
>>>>>>>>>> log on. I am now, and have always been, the sole owner and
>>>>>>>>>> user of this computer and I'd have assumed that I'm
>>>>>>>>>> automatically the "Administrator". Can someone tell me how to
>>>>>>>>>> specifically start up and "Sign on as Administrator?"
>>>>>>>>> Try this:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Start | Control Panel | User Accounts
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Underneath "or pick an account to change" how many accounts
>>>>>>>>> (other than "Guest") are listed? What does it say under the
>>>>>>>>> account you normally use -- "Computer administrator" or
>>>>>>>>> "Limited"? If it says "Computer administrator" and if Norton is
>>>>>>>>> instructing
>>>>>>>>> you to "Sign on as Administrator", then I would contact their
>>>>>>>>> support since you are already paying for it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then again, you could always ditch Norton. Smile
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Au contraire, Dave, I have found their Chat support a tremendous
>>>>>>>> improvement over their old stiff unhelpful ways. Between times,
>>>>>>>> they took control and fixed the glitch. I guess i"m one of
>>>>>>>> the'few people who are happy with them.
>>>>>>> If you like 'em, keep 'em.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So is your account "compter administator"? Never assume. Smile
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> My main sign-on account is "Compaq Owner". To get to the
>>>>>> "Administrator" account, I have to go to Safe Mode, and
>>>>>> then I get a choice of "Compaq Owner" or "Administrator".
>>>>>> Same guy. I get to wear two hats.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once more...
>>>>>
>>>>> Is the account which is called "Compaq Owner" administrative or
>>>>> limited? (Follow my "Try This" instructions above.) Note that I am
>>>>> *not* referring whatsoever to the built-in Administrator account
>>>>> which in XP Home may only be accessed via Safe Mode. Is this the
>>>>> only account you have?
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you contacted Norton yet, and if so, did they provide a
>>>>> solution? If so, please post it so others may learn.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Daave, I spent 20 minutes letting Norton take over my machine,
>>>> download a patch and execute it. The problem is solved. Obviously
>>>> there was a glitch in the software, resulting in the need to be
>>>> patched. I did your "Try this" just now, and the answer is that it
>>>> shows
>>>> exactly *one* account in addition to the Guest Account. The
>>>> account is labeled Compaq-Owner , and under that, in somewhat
>>>> smaller font, "Computer Administrator".
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for following up.
>>>
>>> YW.
>>>
>>> Now you know your account is an administrative account (which means
>>> you may have to be more careful than someone running a limited
>>> account when it comes to activities like installing programs and
>>> updates, etc.).
>>
>> A limited account shouldn't be able to install programs let alone
>> updates.
>
> You are, of course, correct. What I meant to say is that an administrative
> account can be more dangerous to run for some people if they are not
> careful precisely because more changes can be made to the PC compared to
> when one runs a limited account. Programs (sometimes malicious) and
> updates (sometimes unwanted) won't be installed unless the user allows it.
> And a limited account is more "idiot proof" with regard to this.
>
> Many people recommend that people use a Limited Account for most of their
> activities and only use an administrative one when they need to install
> programs and updates. Although I can understand the logic and I believe
> that's usually how things are done in the Linux world (normally),
> personally I would rather just have a strong backup system and run as an
> admin. But for others, I figure it's good to let them know about the
> method mentioned above; they can make up their minds.
>

You are, of course, correct. Many of these people were effectively running
as administrator when using versions of Windows 9x prior to moving to XP.

>>> As long as you don't mind spending the occasional "20 minutes letting
>>> Norton take over [your] machine," then you might as well keep Norton
>>> if you are happy with it.
>>>
>>
>> Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I hate Norton personally, but
>> I know people who are extremely satisfied with it. Granted: they
>> know nothing of computers and it gives the perception of working in
>> the background without getting in the way, so they are happy.
>
> Personally, I hate Norton. Although I understand the lastest version isn't
> necessarily too resource-hungry, I still wouldn't recommend it from past
> experience and knowing how intrusive it can be. But like you said, if
> someone's happy with it, they're happy.

And it can be an absolute pig to remove. While Norton do supply a removal
tool, it is as flakey as the product you are trying to remove. If you are
lucky it removes nearly all of Norton (some manual clean up is usually
required). At worst, it just leaves you with a PC that won't boot.
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Anteaus

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 3:41 pm
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There is nothing wrong with Norton that a good dose of FDISK won't solve.

Wink

Seriously, a lot of home users soldier-on with it simply because it (and a
ton of other foisted software) was preinstalled, and thus they've never seen
the performance their computer is actually capable of.

It's time a stop was put to these forced-sales practices. If I buy a car I
don't expect to be forced to sign-up with a specified insurance broker, or
else to have to strip the car's instrument-panel down and rebuild it to stop
the nag-messages for Acme Insurance, Inc. appearing on the dash every two
miles.

What is worse about the PC software forced-sales situation is that the
foisted items are almost always of poor quality, with even the free
alternatives being better products. Perhaps this is not so surprising, after
all it's a captive market, and one in which they buyer has no opportunity to
do a quality comparison.

I suspect that in part, the Vista debacle was down-to foisted software.
While Vista's performance is not brilliant, it is acceptable for most
purposes with a clean install. But, put a ton of junkware onto it and it
totally crawls. The user then formats and installs XP, which -having no
junkware- flies. Vista gets the blame of course, and gets badmouthed across
every forum on the planet even if it's not entirely responsible for the poor
performance. Thus, if Microsoft had taken the bull by the horns and banned
preinstallation of trial software, who knows, Vista might not have flopped
they way it did.

Anyway, my thoughts for tonight. Purely an opinion, of course.

"Daave" wrote:

> Personally, I hate Norton. Although I understand the lastest version
> isn't necessarily too resource-hungry, I still wouldn't recommend it
> from past experience and knowing how intrusive it can be. But like you
> said, if someone's happy with it, they're happy.
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M.I.5¾

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(Msg. 19) Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 3:20 am
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"Anteaus" <Anteaus.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:81EFFFA4-E1E6-4FD1-ACDD-132EC55F7849@microsoft.com...
> There is nothing wrong with Norton that a good dose of FDISK won't solve.
>
> Wink
>
> Seriously, a lot of home users soldier-on with it simply because it (and a
> ton of other foisted software) was preinstalled, and thus they've never
> seen
> the performance their computer is actually capable of.
>
> It's time a stop was put to these forced-sales practices. If I buy a car I
> don't expect to be forced to sign-up with a specified insurance broker, or
> else to have to strip the car's instrument-panel down and rebuild it to
> stop
> the nag-messages for Acme Insurance, Inc. appearing on the dash every two
> miles.
>
> What is worse about the PC software forced-sales situation is that the
> foisted items are almost always of poor quality, with even the free
> alternatives being better products. Perhaps this is not so surprising,
> after
> all it's a captive market, and one in which they buyer has no opportunity
> to
> do a quality comparison.
>
> I suspect that in part, the Vista debacle was down-to foisted software.
> While Vista's performance is not brilliant, it is acceptable for most
> purposes with a clean install. But, put a ton of junkware onto it and it
> totally crawls. The user then formats and installs XP, which -having no
> junkware- flies. Vista gets the blame of course, and gets badmouthed
> across
> every forum on the planet even if it's not entirely responsible for the
> poor
> performance. Thus, if Microsoft had taken the bull by the horns and banned
> preinstallation of trial software, who knows, Vista might not have flopped
> they way it did.
>
> Anyway, my thoughts for tonight. Purely an opinion, of course.
>
> "Daave" wrote:
>

I have clean installed Vista without the junkware. I can tell you thay
Vista still crawls relative to XP. It's also a resource hog and heavyweight
applications just won't run properly under it because they cannot get the
resources that they require.
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