Vista can't copy files from network share on XPPro

In my case, it would appear that I have a similiar but different
problem.

I can copy from Vista to an XP machine only. However, when I am on the
XP machine, I cannot copy the same files from the Vista machine. I too
have hit a brick wall on this one.

I don't think it is an Antivirus issue because even with the AV turned
off on both I was still having the same problems with files that had
never been touched on the vista box before.

Anyone have any other ideas?

John


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Mike,

Kk. I have a couple minutes to mess with this finally. Life has been
crazy with family and work.

I'm currently uninstalling KAV off my server completely. One thing to keep
in mind is that my Office network is running KAV as well however everything
works great, the only difference that I currently know of is that the Office
KAV is a much newer version then the one here @ my house.

OK... I've removed KAV completely from my Server and everything is WORKING
prefectly now! I'm testing the same on my XP desktop.
Next test is to reinstall KAV with the lastest version on my Desktop
assuming removing it works on XP as it did on Server 2003.
Ok... I've now reinstalled KAV on my XP Desktop with the lastest and
greatest version and I'm getting blocked again. According to KAV the
"iStreams" is the ADS agent. I didn't install this option on reinstallation
and I'm still getting blocked... We're a reseller for KAV and have access to
higher level techsupport which I've put in a request to.

I'll see what they say but don't expect anything back until afer the
holyiday weekend.

I'll keep posting more as I find it out. Now I just need to activate Vista
till my action pack copies get here.

Benjamin VH



"MDaniel" <mdaniel.DeleteThis@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
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> After copying a file from the NTFS drive to a FAT32 drive and back to
> the NTFS drive (with Kaspersky snoozed during the process), the file
> will be copyable from the NTFS share. Once I re-enable Kaspersky, its
> "access denied" again, even if I don't touch the file from XP.
>
> I just did another experiment: I snoozed the AV, then edited the
> permissions on a single file on the NTFS share. I broke inheritance,
> cleared the ACL, then created a new ACE with full control for everyone.
> Vista still won't copy it. The file must be copied through a FAT32
> volume with the AV snoozed to become copyable by Vista.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
> In article <854BC6F8-14AD-4B47-9503-83B433CB570C.DeleteThis@microsoft.com>,
> bvnahoesen.DeleteThis@gmail.com says...
>> HOLY GOD MAN!! You rock! I've got Kaspersky on my 2003 Server and my XP
>> machines! I do have a question however... I wonder if you have Kaspersky
>> enabled and then copy a file to a FAT32 Drive and then back do you still
>> get
>> the access errors??
>>
>> The fact that you're coping files to FAT32 share and back means that your
>> clearing the entire premissions structure off the files and then
>> rewriting
>> on the copy back..
>>
>> I'll play around with this Kaspersky route on our stuff and see what
>> happens. I do however have Kaspersky running on my Office Domain as well
>> with no problems there. But the settings are very likely different on the
>> KAV install at my house and my office.
>>
>> More to come. Sorry for the delay things have been crazy with Family and
>> what not.
>>
>> Benjamin VH
>>
>>
>> "MDaniel" <mdaniel.DeleteThis@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.1ff24670af70d844989695@msnews.microsoft.com...
>> > After a lot more detective work, I think I've finally figured it out.
>> > It
>> > has something to do with Kaspersky Antivirus running on the XP machine
>> > and NTFS ADS (alternate data streams). ADS isn't something I think
>> > about
>> > much but its existance is filed away somewhere in my brain. I also
>> > remember that one time when I needed to uninstall Kaspersky, it asked
>> > if
>> > I wanted to remove the ADS data so I know they must use ADS.
>> >
>> > So here's the deal: If Kaspersky's realtime monitor is running on the
>> > XP
>> > machine, it must add ADS data to every file. Vista pukes when it
>> > encounters this and forbids copying the file to its own NTFS volumes.
>> >
>> > Back on XP: Snoozing Kaspersky, moving a file from the C drive (NTFS)
>> > to
>> > a FAT drive (where ADS is stripped), then back to the C drive, allows
>> > Vista to copy the file over the network. Kaspersky MUST be disabled
>> > during this operation and MUST NOT be re-enabled before Vista copys the
>> > file. Also, simply snoozing Kaspersky isn't enough: You must move the
>> > file through a FAT32 volume to strip the ADS data before Vista will
>> > accept it.
>> >
>> > I'm running Kaspersky Antivirus Personal 5.0.391 on the XP computer
>> > with
>> > it set to automatically download all updates from the Internet. I don't
>> > see any program patches on their web site or any help pages that
>> > describe this problem.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > In article <F478402F-2DF6-4EC9-90BF-97758D92D923.DeleteThis@microsoft.com>,

I'm running Avast on my Vista x64 box, and Panda on my XP box. I
uninstalled panda, and there was no change. I'll try uninstalling
avast soon to see if that makes a difference there too.


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So, I put a copy of XP in a Virtual Machine, fresh with SP2 and all the
hotfixes... I can copy from the vista machine from within the XP
environment inside the VM. Has any one else encountered such issues?
I am not sure what the differences could be between a fresh install,
and one that was tainted with an anti-virus that is now uninstalled,
but still unable to copy from vista.


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Hmm... I think you're running into the same problems that MDaniel was having
with copying files to a FAT32 and back before it would let him copy to a
Vista. I would suggest trying to copy a file to a USB stick (fat32) and back
to XP after you've uninstalled the AV Software.

Have you tired installing AV on the XP Virtual machine and seeing if it
stops file transfers?

I'm at bit of a loss as well. I've got to read up on ADS more before I can
really guess as to what might be causing the problem and what might fix it.
I did get word that KAV will be releasing 2 new version of KAV in Feb. One
for Vista and one for XP/2003 to use IF you have Vista in your environment.

At least one AV company is aware of the problem...

BVH

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> So, I put a copy of XP in a Virtual Machine, fresh with SP2 and all the
> hotfixes... I can copy from the vista machine from within the XP
> environment inside the VM. Has any one else encountered such issues?
> I am not sure what the differences could be between a fresh install,
> and one that was tainted with an anti-virus that is now uninstalled,
> but still unable to copy from vista.
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I remember reading somewhere, and now I don't know where that another
stream was being created (by a microsoft service I think) for files
that indicates the last date/time it was scanned... I cannot for the
life of me remember where I read it though.

I wonder if that has something to do with it... I suppose it is
possible that the filecopy from a vista computer could strip out the
added stream since it would not necessarily be relavent on the target
of a copy.

I will round up a thumbdrive to see if I can copy from that (ie, from
an XP machine try to copy from the thumbdrive that is shared from a
vista machine).

I really don't think this is a permission issue... if it were, then why
would not having the antivirus affect it?

John


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Once you have a file that doesn't copy, it appears that it will not copy
that file from then on... at least that has been my experience.

No resolution yet.


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Thanks John
I would like to agree with you there and indeed I had thought that until a
folder containing the installation file for office 2007 and a text of the key
(approx 450 MB) which I had been trying to move for hours, out of the blue
moved as you would normally expect in a matter of seconds and subsiquently
installed without error. Then to rub salt into wounds I now cannot move that
folder or individual file again. This happened without changing any settings.

Also I picked up on the NTFS/FAT32 points of this thread and formatted a
10GB HD to FAT32 to use as a 'catalyst' to move files to then from but
this made no difference, I can't find any cause or solution that is constant.
Has Microsoft not had any input into this problem. What happend to the
network setup disc feature anyway has that been chopped, would be nice to try
instigated by a vista OS.

"John_H_Bergman" wrote:

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> Once you have a file that doesn't copy, it appears that it will not copy
> that file from then on... at least that has been my experience.
>
> No resolution yet.
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Ya, I had no difference either whether or was FAT or NTFS on the Vista
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Hi I have solved this problem in the short term for myself at least.

I just completed a long diagnostics report directly into the reply window
(normally I will paste from a text file) and as I executed the post my
internet went down. Gutted.

So in the chance of lack of interest and reply I will keep this short. If
anyone is interested I will redo a long post.

Gigabit LAN or 10/100 LAN , onboard LAN or PC card LAN , or
drivers for certain network adapters. One of these is the answer.
This would have been more clear from the post which I lost but to put it
in a nutshell I have disabled My PC card Gigabit LAN and gone through the
onboard 10/100 LAN on one of the 3 PCs in the network and everything is great
as far as pulling to that PC is concerned.

NB I am pulling files FROM a PC which is still connected to the LAN with
onboard Gigabit LAN and from a non Gigabit LAN ethernet network drive which I
could not do before. There is no non responce time no calculating time etc.
The only change is to disable the PC card Gigabit LAN adapter on the PC used
to pull the files and connect/enable the 10/100 onboard adapter. Still
connected through a gigabit switch. I am now gonna see what the results on
the other pcs are.

Simon

Ok update

PC's Configuration as was


PC 1 Gigabit LAN onboard - enabled and connected
10/100 LAN PC card - disabled and diconnected

PC 2 Gigabit LAN PC card - enabled and connected
10/100 LAN onboard - disabled and diconnected

PC 3 Dual Gigabit LAN onboard - 1 enabled and connected
1 disabled and diconnected

Buffalo non gigabit Linkstation and drivestation network drives

PC 1 XP Home 32 bit and Vista RC2 5744 32 bit dual boot

PC 2 Vista RC2 5744 32 bit solo o/s

PC 3 XP Home 32 bit and Vista RC2 5744 64 bit dual boot

All PCs/drives Ethernet cable to Netgear Gigabit switch to BT Home Hub
Router/Modem

Was having huge problems moving files/folders anywhere where vista was
involved.

By changing PC 2 from PC card Gigabit LAN to onboard 10/100 LAN I can now
communicate and move both ways fully between PCs 1 and 2 and network drives.
I have not taken diagnostics to PC 3 yet but this PC is not so important and
is mainly XP to XP if at all network activity. For my needs, other than
wanting Gigabit LAN, this is now solved, only than to wonder if this is a
driver issue with the PC card Gigabit LAN. I have just noticed that I bought
the card as a Dynamode 10/100/100
Mbps 32 bit Gigabit Network adapterand it shows up as Realtek RTL8169/8110
Family PCI Gigabit Ethernet NIC (NDIS 6.0) in devices manager. I could not
find a better driver than the one installed but have not looked since I
realised there was a difference in the name.

Simon

Update
Dynamode 1000 and realtek RTL8169/8110 are the same ie 8169 chip.
Both Dynamode and Realtek latest drivers (although only advertised as for up
to XP) are the latest drivers and are installed on my PC. I have found
information on the internet which says Vista has drivers for and is
compatible with RTL8169.

On PC 2
When the Gigabit LAN is set to auto negotiate speed - problems with network
When the 10/100 LAN is set to auto negotiate speed - the network is OK
When the Gigabit LAN is set to 100 base full duplex - problems with network
When the 10/100 LAN is set to 100 base full duplex - the network is OK
When the Gigabit LAN is set to 100 base half duplex - THE NETWORK IS OK
When the 10/100 LAN is set to 100 base half duplex the network is OK


Conclusion the Realtek gigabit LAN drivers are no good for 1000 base and
are only good in 100 base if half duplex.

PC 1 has Onboard Intel Proset Gigabit LAN which has widely advertised its
Vista compatibility.

PC 3 has onboard dual nvidia Gigabit LAN which I have not looked into yet

After replacing Vista Ultimate RC2 5744 with a clean install of Vista
Enterprise RTM 5600 the network/driver problem is no more I can use
Gigabit LAN in auto negotiate best speed (ie 1000 base full duplex) with no
proplems.

Simon