Best Registry Cleaner for vista

To put it another way...
A registry cleaner should not be used by anyone unfamiliar with the
registry they are unable to see something wrong.
Only use a registry cleaner if you are familiar enough to do the job
manually but desire a too to speed the job.

Since there is little or nothing to be gained anyway, leave the
registry alone unless you know exactly what you are doing.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Alun Harford" <devnull RemoveThis @alunharford.co.uk> wrote in message
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> The tool is even more dangerous than doing it manually.
> Most users decide against the idea when confronted with the registry
> editor, because they realise that they don't know what they're
> doing.
> With a tool, most users go "Nice pretty wizard. Next, next, next,
> next, finish. Oh dear, my system doesn't boot any more." Only then
> do they realise that they didn't know what they were doing.
>
> Alun Harford

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:59:20 +0100, Alun Harford
<devnull.DeleteThis@alunharford.co.uk> wrote:

>Adam Albright wrote:
>> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:26:30 +0100, Alun Harford
>> <devnull.DeleteThis@alunharford.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Arun wrote:
>>>> Can any One Suggest Best Registry Cleaner And residual file Cleaner for vista
>>>> Ultimate.............
>>> No. They cause more problems than they solve.
>>> If you can't do it manually, you're likely to mess up your system if you
>>> use a tool.
>>> If you can do it manually, the tool isn't very useful.
>>
>> Telling people to manually edit their Registry isn't very good advice
>> for the average user for obvious reasons; doing so can totally trash
>> your Registry making your computer unbootable. Far safer to use a tool
>> designed for that purpose.
>
>The tool is even more dangerous than doing it manually.
>Most users decide against the idea when confronted with the registry
>editor, because they realise that they don't know what they're doing.
>With a tool, most users go "Nice pretty wizard. Next, next, next, next,
>finish. Oh dear, my system doesn't boot any more." Only then do they
>realise that they didn't know what they were doing.
>
>Alun Harford


You're entitled to your opinion even if it isn't factual. The whole
point behind Registry Cleaners is to avoid deleting something by
mistake. Of course any tool used improperly isn't very smart. What you
avoid saying is Registry Tools while most have some automatic feature
also show you a list of what it is about to remove BEFORE it actually
does, allowing the user to decide what to delete and what not to. Of
course if anybody just haphazardly removes things without knowing why
that is dumb. However suggesting people manually scan tens of
thousands of lines in the Registry looking for "bad" things on their
own is in my opinion equally risky and very time consuming. Stop being
anal.

Pick any 3 Registry Cleaners. Let them all scan for items to potentially
remove. DO NOT let them clean but examine the results and compare
to each other. You'll find that each has it's own definition of what is and
is not an invalid Key/Data. It's this "Subjective" determination that is the
danger with Registry cleaners. No two I've ever tested has created a
matching list of items to remove beyond MRU tables. The other point
to be made is repetitive runs with the same product. Run it once it may
find 200 entries, immediately run it again it may find 40 more. This acts
like pealing an onion, the more you run it the deeper it drills inside the
Registry and likely breaks more associations and interactions. Some of
the breakage of Registry Cleaners may not become apparent for weeks
of months after the tool is applied.

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter.DeleteThis@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
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> To put it another way...
> A registry cleaner should not be used by anyone unfamiliar with the
> registry they are unable to see something wrong.
> Only use a registry cleaner if you are familiar enough to do the job
> manually but desire a too to speed the job.
>
> Since there is little or nothing to be gained anyway, leave the registry
> alone unless you know exactly what you are doing.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "Alun Harford" <devnull.DeleteThis@alunharford.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:OtpkQ$KwHHA.4800@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> The tool is even more dangerous than doing it manually.
>> Most users decide against the idea when confronted with the registry
>> editor, because they realise that they don't know what they're doing.
>> With a tool, most users go "Nice pretty wizard. Next, next, next, next,
>> finish. Oh dear, my system doesn't boot any more." Only then do they
>> realise that they didn't know what they were doing.
>>
>> Alun Harford
>

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 10:12:27 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
<jones_jupiter.TakeThisOut@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>To put it another way...
>A registry cleaner should not be used by anyone unfamiliar with the
>registry they are unable to see something wrong.
>Only use a registry cleaner if you are familiar enough to do the job
>manually but desire a too to speed the job.
>
>Since there is little or nothing to be gained anyway, leave the
>registry alone unless you know exactly what you are doing.

Another implied I'm smarter than you post from Jupiter.

ROTFLMAO! So damn funny!

Show me ANYBODY that pretends they know what every single entry in
your Registry purpose is when your typical Vista Registry runs tens of
thousands of lines and I'll show you a damn fool.

While years ago Registry Cleaners were rather crude today they are
safe IF you use them correctly. Saying nothing is to be gaining from
cleaning dead wood from your Registry is like saying nothing is gained
from removing that 800 pounds of sand you been dragging around in your
car's trunk for years.

One of the main reasons to use a Registry Cleaner is to clean up after
applications that don't always remove themselves completely when you
try to uninstall them. This can cause Windows to try to load a driver
that isn't there anymore since there could be a line in the Registry
that points to it still. This can cause the boot process to take
longer or in a worse case can cause Windows to go into some endless
loop trying to execute something in the Registry that isn't linked to
anything anymore.

Just doing my part... to educate clueless MVPs. <wink>

For years I have avoided "registry cleaners". My VHP system is
only ~10 weeks old, but has become quite slow despite several
attempts to speed it up.

In frustration I decided to try a reg cleaner, and picked a
freeware product that has been highly recommended by those who
believe in such a thing. I did a backup, restore point, etc. I
then did four benchmarks:

1. Batch Run (a little script) MSWord/Excel/PPt from Office 2007
2. Batch Run FireFox/Tbird/WMail/+3 utilities
3. Search & replace a complex conditional in a 20MB word file
4. Reboot time (clean, two consecutive reboots, 2nd was timed)
I know there are better ways to measure.

The cleaner scanned and found 3306 unnecessary items, of which
about 300 were "not completely safe to remove" and the rest were
deemed "completely safe to remove". I scrolled through the list,
and recognized quite a number of keys bearing names of apps
removed and services unused. Like just about anyone, I had to
decide whether to just click or to examine and guess on more
than 3000 items. With a restore point and reg backup, and 100%
files back up (Mozy), I crossed my fingers and clicked to "fix"
the "safe" ones.

It worked. The computer is obviously faster, and it's not
placebo effect. It now loads Word/XL/PPt (all three) in 3
seconds after pressing the hotkey - down from 9 - really! Comm
apps loaded in half the time. The unit reboots fine and in only
2/3 the time, under the same conditions (the second reboot,
nothing loaded). S&R in the word file took about the same time.

I have just converted from registry cleaner naysayer to a true
believer. And I will NOT name the tool I used.

On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 10:02:38 -0700, notachance <nochance.DeleteThis@all.to>
wrote:

>For years I have avoided "registry cleaners". My VHP system is
>only ~10 weeks old, but has become quite slow despite several
>attempts to speed it up.
>
>In frustration I decided to try a reg cleaner, and picked a
>freeware product that has been highly recommended by those who
>believe in such a thing. I did a backup, restore point, etc. I
>then did four benchmarks:
>
>1. Batch Run (a little script) MSWord/Excel/PPt from Office 2007
>2. Batch Run FireFox/Tbird/WMail/+3 utilities
>3. Search & replace a complex conditional in a 20MB word file
>4. Reboot time (clean, two consecutive reboots, 2nd was timed)
>I know there are better ways to measure.
>
>The cleaner scanned and found 3306 unnecessary items, of which
>about 300 were "not completely safe to remove" and the rest were
>deemed "completely safe to remove". I scrolled through the list,
>and recognized quite a number of keys bearing names of apps
>removed and services unused. Like just about anyone, I had to
>decide whether to just click or to examine and guess on more
>than 3000 items. With a restore point and reg backup, and 100%
>files back up (Mozy), I crossed my fingers and clicked to "fix"
>the "safe" ones.
>
>It worked. The computer is obviously faster, and it's not
>placebo effect. It now loads Word/XL/PPt (all three) in 3
>seconds after pressing the hotkey - down from 9 - really! Comm
>apps loaded in half the time. The unit reboots fine and in only
>2/3 the time, under the same conditions (the second reboot,
>nothing loaded). S&R in the word file took about the same time.
>
>I have just converted from registry cleaner naysayer to a true
>believer. And I will NOT name the tool I used.


Notice that all the people saying never use a Registry Cleaner are
either the same crop of loud fanboys or clueless MVPs. Nothing beats
real word experiments as you've just detailed.

I think part of the hostility towards Registry Cleaners is once upon a
time they were garbage. Times change, things improve. Windows was once
garbage too. It's the same knock Real Player gets. It use to include
spyware and it got black listed, It hasn't for years, is still one of
the best players offering some of the best compression verses quality
you can get. Yet people hold a grudge or just are dumb and because of
it, take your pick, won't use it.

"Another implied I'm smarter than you..."
Whatever you CHOOSE to ASSUME is up to you.
However most know what ASSUME means and again you do it.
It seems your insecurity shows in another way since you CHOOSE to see
what is not there.

"Show me ANYBODY that pretends they know what every single entry..."
I never said any such thing.
But users need to know what a specific key does before letting the
cleaner remove it.
Your NEED to twist what is said to fuel your agenda is noted...again.
However I do know those familiar with the registry almost to that
point you suggest.
They and others manage the registry manually or use the tool to
identify then they decide what to delete.

"Just doing my part... to educate clueless MVPs."
Attacking again, such a typical post from you.
I thought you had matured beyond your stalking of a week ago.
Apparently I was mistaken since you NEED to stalk again as you have in
the past.
You obviously have no clue.
At least this time you contributed something to the thread where in
the past your entire contribution was NOTHING but attacks.

But a very typical post displaying your own insecurities as
demonstrated by your continuing need to attack to shore up your
position.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Adam Albright" <AA.TakeThisOut@ABC.net> wrote in message
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> Another implied I'm smarter than you post from Jupiter.
>
> ROTFLMAO! So damn funny!
>
> Show me ANYBODY that pretends they know what every single entry in
> your Registry purpose is when your typical Vista Registry runs tens
> of
> thousands of lines and I'll show you a damn fool.
>
> While years ago Registry Cleaners were rather crude today they are
> safe IF you use them correctly. Saying nothing is to be gaining from
> cleaning dead wood from your Registry is like saying nothing is
> gained
> from removing that 800 pounds of sand you been dragging around in
> your
> car's trunk for years.
>
> One of the main reasons to use a Registry Cleaner is to clean up
> after
> applications that don't always remove themselves completely when you
> try to uninstall them. This can cause Windows to try to load a
> driver
> that isn't there anymore since there could be a line in the Registry
> that points to it still. This can cause the boot process to take
> longer or in a worse case can cause Windows to go into some endless
> loop trying to execute something in the Registry that isn't linked
> to
> anything anymore.
>
> Just doing my part... to educate clueless MVPs. <wink>

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 11:36:09 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
<jones_jupiter DeleteThis @hotnomail.com> wrote:

>"Another implied I'm smarter than you..."
>Whatever you CHOOSE to ASSUME is up to you.
>However most know what ASSUME means and again you do it.
>It seems your insecurity shows in another way since you CHOOSE to see
>what is not there.

Speaking of insecurity, you're the one attaching MVP behind your name
as if that implies some superior knowledge. <snort>
>
>"Show me ANYBODY that pretends they know what every single entry..."
>I never said any such thing.

You implied it. Read nearly any post from any MVP on any topic and you
see the underlying pattern they know more, everybody else is dumb,
blah, blah, blah. So unprofessional and self-serving. What is YOUR
Ageneda that you have to attach MVP to every post?

>But users need to know what a specific key does before letting the
>cleaner remove it.
>Your NEED to twist what is said to fuel your agenda is noted...again.

What agenda? I simply don't like boastful windbags that hide behind
MVP and pretend they know more than everybody else when time after
time they're proven wrong. Microsoft should have killed the MVP
program like they planned to do years ago BECAUSE of complaints like
mine because now it is little more than a joke with a bunch of
clueless wannabe types stinking of the groups they post to.

>"Just doing my part... to educate clueless MVPs."
>Attacking again, such a typical post from you.

You are simply too thin skinned to be here, you can't contain your
anger, you're too proud to learn, too pigheaded to admit when you're
wrong. In other words, your typical MVP.

I recognize that my experiment (still 100% positive) with a
specific registry cleaner does not constitute a statistically
valid experiment, but it was MY EXPERIMENT.

This unit continues to be more responsive in many respects, with
no change in stability. Everything seems to work fine, and I've
clicked through many installed apps looking for problems. So
far, so great.

Maybe I was just lucky, but it's really a pleasure... It also
suggests that Vista speed issues justify an examination of the
Registry - and I don't know enough to go beyond that.

"Adam Albright" <AA.TakeThisOut@ABC.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 10:02:38 -0700, notachance <nochance.TakeThisOut@all.to>
> wrote:
> I think part of the hostility towards Registry Cleaners is once upon a
> time they were garbage. Times change, things improve. Windows was once
> garbage too. It's the same knock Real Player gets. It use to include
> spyware and it got black listed, It hasn't for years, is still one of
> the best players offering some of the best compression verses quality
> you can get. Yet people hold a grudge or just are dumb and because of
> it, take your pick, won't use it.


As someone who does a little programming on the side, and one who writes using windows
APIs,
let me make a comment on registry cleaners.
Yes they will find "currently unused registry entries."
Occasionally they will actually correct a registry related problem that will prevent
installation of a program.

However, keep in mind that there are lot of static registry entries that are in place to
ensure
backwards compatibility with older programs, especially when it comes to using API calls
to ordinals ( routines in DLL files )
Example, if I reference, in my application, a dll procedure from a dll that was included
with Windows 98 and that
dll has been upgraded / replaced by a newer dll in newer windows versions, the entries in
the registry will automatically point my program to the newest version of the DLL on the
machine in which the application is installed.

So, if the "base" entry has been removed from the registry, guess what, my backwards
compatible app fails to run.

So as was stated earlier in the thread, use "ANY" registry cleaner at your own risk, and
when the app you try to install
That's "supposed" to be compatible with your new windows version fails to run, don't blame
the author, restore your registry.

And yep I'm an MVP for a different technology and YEP I will include it in my sig.


--

Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
FP Cleaner
http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/fpclean.htm
Hit Me FP
http://www.95isalive.com/fixes/HitMeFP.htm

"as if that implies some superior knowledge"
As always you are free to ASSUME what you want.
But ASSUMPTIONS often tend to be wrong.

"see the underlying pattern they know more, everybody else is dumb,"
And yet it is YOU that needs to directly insult and let your
ASSUMPTIONS control your actions.

"Microsoft should have killed the MVP program like they planned"
Do you communicate this to Microsoft as you have previously been told?
Or it it something you continuously whine?

"I simply don't like boastful windbags"
Interesting answer when I said:
"users need to know what a specific key does"
You seem to let your emotions take control when you do not like what
is said but you can not dispute the need for users to be
knowledgeable.

"you can't contain your anger"
So you say, and yet is is you unable to communicate without insulting.
Just because you imagine anger does not make it so.
If there is anger, it seems to be you since you are the one unable to
communicate without insults.
Keep ASSUMING, typical for you.

Don't bother answering unless you can do so in a civil manner.
I doubt you have the self control to be civil, but we shall see.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Adam Albright" <AA DeleteThis @ABC.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 11:36:09 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
> <jones_jupiter DeleteThis @hotnomail.com> wrote:
>
>>"Another implied I'm smarter than you..."
>>Whatever you CHOOSE to ASSUME is up to you.
>>However most know what ASSUME means and again you do it.
>>It seems your insecurity shows in another way since you CHOOSE to
>>see
>>what is not there.
>
> Speaking of insecurity, you're the one attaching MVP behind your
> name
> as if that implies some superior knowledge. <snort>
>>
>>"Show me ANYBODY that pretends they know what every single entry..."
>>I never said any such thing.
>
> You implied it. Read nearly any post from any MVP on any topic and
> you
> see the underlying pattern they know more, everybody else is dumb,
> blah, blah, blah. So unprofessional and self-serving. What is YOUR
> Ageneda that you have to attach MVP to every post?
>
>>But users need to know what a specific key does before letting the
>>cleaner remove it.
>>Your NEED to twist what is said to fuel your agenda is
>>noted...again.
>
> What agenda? I simply don't like boastful windbags that hide behind
> MVP and pretend they know more than everybody else when time after
> time they're proven wrong. Microsoft should have killed the MVP
> program like they planned to do years ago BECAUSE of complaints like
> mine because now it is little more than a joke with a bunch of
> clueless wannabe types stinking of the groups they post to.
>
>>"Just doing my part... to educate clueless MVPs."
>>Attacking again, such a typical post from you.
>
> You are simply too thin skinned to be here, you can't contain your
> anger, you're too proud to learn, too pigheaded to admit when you're
> wrong. In other words, your typical MVP.
>

On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 12:20:29 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
<jones_jupiter DeleteThis @hotnomail.com> wrote:

>"as if that implies some superior knowledge"
>As always you are free to ASSUME what you want.
>But ASSUMPTIONS often tend to be wrong.

Like yours that you can't get any benefit from Registry Cleaners?

"can't get any benefit from Registry Cleaners"
I never said that .
Go back and read my posts again probably for the first time.
Typical how you need to twist what was said to fit your agenda.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Adam Albright" <AA.DeleteThis@ABC.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 7 Jul 2007 12:20:29 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
> <jones_jupiter.DeleteThis@hotnomail.com> wrote:
>
>>"as if that implies some superior knowledge"
>>As always you are free to ASSUME what you want.
>>But ASSUMPTIONS often tend to be wrong.
>
> Like yours that you can't get any benefit from Registry Cleaners?
>