Question about Aero

On Jul 7, 6:34 pm, Alias <a....DeleteThis@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:

>
> Beryl can be turned off in Linux. One would assume that one could do the
> same if MS decided to copy Linux again.
>

Excuse the question, since I am not a regular on this newsgroup, but,
you are a troll, or?

The Linux devs didn't invent Desktop Composition.
You can turn off Aero in Vista too.

If you meant that MS should have implement crazy over-the-top effects
at default, which you could deactivate.. well, XP never really lost
the "Fisher Price" image because of the default theme, even though it
was possible to deactivate it.

Vista AERO is considered flashy and distracting by many already now..
if crazed effects would be the default, one could hear the outcry on
Mars.

Another thing - I used the cube effect on Linux, I got a little
headcache of it. Seriously.
There is something called motion sickness, and some people have it. A
product like Windows, that is installed on most PC's of the world,
can't afford too make a considerable amount of people sick by its
default setting.

This is by default. The only way I have gotten around the problem to to
physically re-size the window by dragging the re-size points on the
application window - i.e side, top, bottom etc. Some windows will stay
resized and show the aero effect (transparency) but others will not. On this
respect aero is rather disappointing. One would have thought that Microsoft
would have enabled the system to show transparency when the window is
maximised by default, but it appears they haven't.

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Windows - Shell/User

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"Geo" <spam.DeleteThis@spam.com> wrote in message
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> Guys when I size a box i,.e control panel I get the fancy see through aero
> glass effect, but when I click the square to make it fullscreen the top
> panel turns to a dark black colour. How can I keep the nice see through
> aero effect when I go fullscreen.
>
>

John

There would be nothing to see behind a maximized window. As it is, text has
to be large and white, and pictures have to be fairly radiant to even start
to be able to make out what they are through the aero part of a window.

Laying one aero window directly over another of the same size completely
knocks out the 'path' of the window behind..


"John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit.TakeThisOut@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
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> This is by default. The only way I have gotten around the problem to to
> physically re-size the window by dragging the re-size points on the
> application window - i.e side, top, bottom etc. Some windows will stay
> resized and show the aero effect (transparency) but others will not. On
> this respect aero is rather disappointing. One would have thought that
> Microsoft would have enabled the system to show transparency when the
> window is maximised by default, but it appears they haven't.
>
> --
> John Barnett MVP
> Associate Expert
> Windows - Shell/User
>
> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>
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> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
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> for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out
> of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in
> this mail/post..
>
> "Geo" <spam.TakeThisOut@spam.com> wrote in message
> news:57BDAB98-1837-4190-BCDB-9D56FFC9BCE5@microsoft.com...
>> Guys when I size a box i,.e control panel I get the fancy see through
>> aero glass effect, but when I click the square to make it fullscreen the
>> top panel turns to a dark black colour. How can I keep the nice see
>> through aero effect when I go fullscreen.
>>
>>
>

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

Mike,

If you have one window open, you should be able to see your desktop through
the translucent title bar. In addition, the amount of what can be seen
through layered title bars depends on the opaqueness (or level of
translucency) of the title bars.

Having said this, I don't really care because I have Aero turned off
altogether!

Jason


"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall.DeleteThis@mvps.org> wrote in message
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> John
>
> There would be nothing to see behind a maximized window. As it is, text
> has to be large and white, and pictures have to be fairly radiant to even
> start to be able to make out what they are through the aero part of a
> window.
>
> Laying one aero window directly over another of the same size completely
> knocks out the 'path' of the window behind..
>
>
> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit.DeleteThis@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
> news:O3EmWKKwHHA.3720@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> This is by default. The only way I have gotten around the problem to to
>> physically re-size the window by dragging the re-size points on the
>> application window - i.e side, top, bottom etc. Some windows will stay
>> resized and show the aero effect (transparency) but others will not. On
>> this respect aero is rather disappointing. One would have thought that
>> Microsoft would have enabled the system to show transparency when the
>> window is maximised by default, but it appears they haven't.
>>
>> --
>> John Barnett MVP
>> Associate Expert
>> Windows - Shell/User
>>
>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>
>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any
>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable
>> for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out
>> of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in
>> this mail/post..
>>
>> "Geo" <spam.DeleteThis@spam.com> wrote in message
>> news:57BDAB98-1837-4190-BCDB-9D56FFC9BCE5@microsoft.com...
>>> Guys when I size a box i,.e control panel I get the fancy see through
>>> aero glass effect, but when I click the square to make it fullscreen the
>>> top panel turns to a dark black colour. How can I keep the nice see
>>> through aero effect when I go fullscreen.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> --
>
>
> Mike Hall
> MS MVP Windows Shell/User
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/
>
>
>

"Geo" <spam.DeleteThis@spam.com> wrote in message
news:57BDAB98-1837-4190-BCDB-9D56FFC9BCE5@microsoft.com...
> Guys when I size a box i,.e control panel I get the fancy see through aero
> glass effect, but when I click the square to make it fullscreen the top
> panel turns to a dark black colour. How can I keep the nice see through
> aero effect when I go fullscreen.

As John said this is by design.

Back when Vista was in development it became pretty clear that having
transparency on for maximized windows looks horrible, and so it was
disabled.

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Yeovil, UK.
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
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Jason

You would see a this strip of not a whole hell of a lot though.. the
translucent sides are hardly wide enough to see an 8 point line if one ran
down the side of the desktop.. surely the whole point of maximizing is to
get as much real estate as one can..


"Jason Freeman" <loosus RemoveThis @coastalnet.com> wrote in message
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> Mike,
>
> If you have one window open, you should be able to see your desktop
> through the translucent title bar. In addition, the amount of what can be
> seen through layered title bars depends on the opaqueness (or level of
> translucency) of the title bars.
>
> Having said this, I don't really care because I have Aero turned off
> altogether!
>
> Jason
>
>
> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall RemoveThis @mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:OqInfZKwHHA.4528@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> John
>>
>> There would be nothing to see behind a maximized window. As it is, text
>> has to be large and white, and pictures have to be fairly radiant to even
>> start to be able to make out what they are through the aero part of a
>> window.
>>
>> Laying one aero window directly over another of the same size completely
>> knocks out the 'path' of the window behind..
>>
>>
>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit RemoveThis @mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>> news:O3EmWKKwHHA.3720@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> This is by default. The only way I have gotten around the problem to to
>>> physically re-size the window by dragging the re-size points on the
>>> application window - i.e side, top, bottom etc. Some windows will stay
>>> resized and show the aero effect (transparency) but others will not. On
>>> this respect aero is rather disappointing. One would have thought that
>>> Microsoft would have enabled the system to show transparency when the
>>> window is maximised by default, but it appears they haven't.
>>>
>>> --
>>> John Barnett MVP
>>> Associate Expert
>>> Windows - Shell/User
>>>
>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>
>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of
>>> any kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the
>>> accuracy, reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not
>>> be liable for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages
>>> arising out of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions
>>> expressed in this mail/post..
>>>
>>> "Geo" <spam RemoveThis @spam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:57BDAB98-1837-4190-BCDB-9D56FFC9BCE5@microsoft.com...
>>>> Guys when I size a box i,.e control panel I get the fancy see through
>>>> aero glass effect, but when I click the square to make it fullscreen
>>>> the top panel turns to a dark black colour. How can I keep the nice
>>>> see through aero effect when I go fullscreen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Mike Hall
>> MS MVP Windows Shell/User
>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/
>>
>>
>>
>

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

Geo wrote:
> Guys when I size a box i,.e control panel I get the fancy see through
> aero glass effect, but when I click the square to make it fullscreen the
> top panel turns to a dark black colour. How can I keep the nice see
> through aero effect when I go fullscreen.
>
>

What you want is available with Beryl, the REAL Aero. The catch is, you
can't use Beryl with Hasta La Vista. You need to use Linux.

Alias

Geo wrote:
> Guys when I size a box i,.e control panel I get the fancy see through
> aero glass effect, but when I click the square to make it fullscreen the
> top panel turns to a dark black colour. How can I keep the nice see
> through aero effect when I go fullscreen.
>
>

The difference between Aero and Beryl:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xC5uEe5OzNQ

Alias

PSiegmann RemoveThis @mail.nu wrote:
> On Jul 7, 5:06 pm, Alias <a... RemoveThis @maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:
>> Geo wrote:
>>> Guys when I size a box i,.e control panel I get the fancy see through
>>> aero glass effect, but when I click the square to make it fullscreen the
>>> top panel turns to a dark black colour. How can I keep the nice see
>>> through aero effect when I go fullscreen.
>> The difference between Aero and Beryl:
>>
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=xC5uEe5OzNQ
>>
>> Alias
>
> Now, this is where MS just can't win. It's not that hard to impement
> those effects, but if MS would really implement over the top effects
> like that in the video, the complaining here won't stop. Vista in its
> (modest) current form already IS for too many people "too flashy" and
> overloaded, if Beryl like effects would been in Vista, the forums
> would be full of complaining:
>
> Too Distracting!
> Too toy like!
> M$... have I bought a OS or a computer game ?!
> Another proof that Windows is just all show and nothing inside
> Fisher price OS!!
>
> etc. etc. etc. The groups and forums would be full of it.
>

Beryl can be turned off in Linux. One would assume that one could do the
same if MS decided to copy Linux again.

Alias

PSiegmann RemoveThis @mail.nu wrote:
> On Jul 7, 6:34 pm, Alias <a... RemoveThis @maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:
>
>> Beryl can be turned off in Linux. One would assume that one could do the
>> same if MS decided to copy Linux again.
>>
>
> Excuse the question, since I am not a regular on this newsgroup, but,
> you are a troll, or?

I am a person.

>
> The Linux devs didn't invent Desktop Composition.

Never said it did.

> You can turn off Aero in Vista too.

Never said you can't.
>
> If you meant that MS should have implement crazy over-the-top effects
> at default, which you could deactivate.. well, XP never really lost
> the "Fisher Price" image because of the default theme, even though it
> was possible to deactivate it.
>
> Vista AERO is considered flashy and distracting by many already now..
> if crazed effects would be the default, one could hear the outcry on
> Mars.
>
> Another thing - I used the cube effect on Linux, I got a little
> headcache of it. Seriously.
> There is something called motion sickness, and some people have it. A
> product like Windows, that is installed on most PC's of the world,
> can't afford too make a considerable amount of people sick by its
> default setting.
>

Different strokes for different folks. I like Beryl and find it helps my
productivity. YMMV.

Alias

"Alias" <aka.DeleteThis@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
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> Geo wrote:
>> Guys when I size a box i,.e control panel I get the fancy see through
>> aero glass effect, but when I click the square to make it fullscreen the
>> top panel turns to a dark black colour. How can I keep the nice see
>> through aero effect when I go fullscreen.
>>
>>
>
> What you want is available with Beryl, the REAL Aero. The catch is, you
> can't use Beryl with Hasta La Vista. You need to use Linux.
>
> Alias


Yet another non-Vista post from one who has no intention of helping anyone
in this ng. Wow, big surprise! Uh, not?

Lang

"Alias" <aka DeleteThis @maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
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> Geo wrote:
>> Guys when I size a box i,.e control panel I get the fancy see through
>> aero glass effect, but when I click the square to make it fullscreen the
>> top panel turns to a dark black colour. How can I keep the nice see
>> through aero effect when I go fullscreen.
>>
>>
>
> The difference between Aero and Beryl:
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=xC5uEe5OzNQ
>
> Alias


Snore....

Lang

<PSiegmann DeleteThis @mail.nu> wrote in message
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> On Jul 7, 6:34 pm, Alias <a... DeleteThis @maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:
>
>>
>> Beryl can be turned off in Linux. One would assume that one could do the
>> same if MS decided to copy Linux again.
>>
>
> Excuse the question, since I am not a regular on this newsgroup, but,
> you are a troll, or?

Uh, yes?

<snip>

Lang