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Dott. Ing. Andrea NOTARI

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 5:37 pm
Post subject: how much space does Win Mobile 2003 take?
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Hi everyone,
personally I am not a programmer, nevertheless I'd like to post the
following questions:

1) AnexTek SP-230 produced by AnexTek Global Inc. features 64MB SDRAM and
64MB Flash Ram. This pocket PC utilizes Windows Mobile 2003 as OS. I wonder
how much space in flash the OS takes to get installed;

2) for a spare time project, I wish someone can help me implementing a
database to manage a huge inventory of items (a sort of domestic store),
hence I am looking for a DB development tool that perfectly matches with Win
Mobile 2003. Any suggestion?

3) in case the pocket pc battery expires, I expect not to loose the item
inventory, neither partly nor entirely. So I would desire to map it into
Flash as well as the OS does. But is it doable, or just the OS is supposed
to take place in the Flash?

Thanks in advance for you time and replies.

ANdrea
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 6:08 pm
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Dott. Ing. Andrea NOTARI wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> personally I am not a programmer, nevertheless I'd like to post the
> following questions:
>
> 1) AnexTek SP-230 produced by AnexTek Global Inc. features 64MB SDRAM and
> 64MB Flash Ram. This pocket PC utilizes Windows Mobile 2003 as OS. I wonder
> how much space in flash the OS takes to get installed;

The total main memory available is 63.29MB. Mine has allocated 34.34MB
for program but only uses 11.16MB of it. The remainder is used for
storage. You can adjust it and allocate more for program or storage.

The AnexTek SP-230 is quite a nice Pocket PC phone combination and I
like it a lot.

Any other users out there?

TTFN
Jim
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2004 7:37 pm
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"Dott. Ing. Andrea NOTARI" <anotari.DeleteThis@libero.it> wrote in
news:ur$f4XPzEHA.1452@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:

> Hi everyone,
> personally I am not a programmer, nevertheless I'd like to post the
> following questions:
>
> 1) AnexTek SP-230 produced by AnexTek Global Inc. features 64MB SDRAM
> and 64MB Flash Ram. This pocket PC utilizes Windows Mobile 2003 as OS. I
> wonder how much space in flash the OS takes to get installed;

HP's new rz1710 comes with 32MB Flash ROM for example, of which 10MB is
available for user storage in the form of 'iPAQ FileStore'. That leads me
to believe that Windows Mobile 200SE takes up 32MB - 10MB = 22MB, but
don't forget that HP has added a lot of bulk by inserting their own
applications like image viewers, drivers and utilities.
Rumour has it that if you strip off the slack from the OEM, WM2003SE only
takes up less than 16MB.
The OS is usually only installed by the OEM, they get an image of WM and
then hook in their proprietary drivers for their hardware and whatever
else they want in there and then deliver it to their customers.
So in your case that would be AnexTek Global Inc. who permanently flashes
the ROM with Windows Mobile 2003 for you.



> 2) for a spare time project, I wish someone can help me implementing a
> database to manage a huge inventory of items (a sort of domestic store),
> hence I am looking for a DB development tool that perfectly matches with
> Win Mobile 2003. Any suggestion?

There's some good suggestions for database apps in the newsgroup archives.
There's software like HanDBase Pro and SprintPro DB, for example.



> 3) in case the pocket pc battery expires, I expect not to loose the item
> inventory, neither partly nor entirely. So I would desire to map it into
> Flash as well as the OS does. But is it doable, or just the OS is
> supposed to take place in the Flash?

A small explanation. Since the device is running Windows Mobile, it also
has a Windows Registry. any program you install yourself (apart from some
rare exceptions ofcourse) will write some keys to the registry. (and
possibly some files to \Windows, too.) regardless of when you for example
install a program to flash storage such as a CF/SD card.
So while you can safely store a program on a flash card or in built-in
flash storage of a device without losing that data, you'll lose the stuff
that was written to the registry and \Windows when that device completely
loses power, leaving you the task of restoring a backup or reinstalling
the program to re-gain access to the data you created/stored.
Mind you, most PPC devices come with a built-in backup battery which can
power RAM for a short period of time, giving you the chance to replace the
battery or find a charger. Don't depend on the backup battery, however.
And keep your backups up to date. Backup programs are usually also present
on the PPC itself, and ActiveSync also provides a backup option.



> Thanks in advance for you time and replies.
>
> ANdrea


You're welcome. I hope it was informative.



~S.






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Windows Mobile 2003 Second Edition Petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/HPWMK3SE/petition.html
13033 Total Signatures on Friday, Oct. 29th 2004!
HP 'Windows Mobile 2003 SE Support' Forum:
http://forums.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=641503
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2004 10:17 am
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:37:05 +0100, "Dott. Ing. Andrea NOTARI"
<anotari.RemoveThis@libero.it> wrote:

>Hi everyone,
>personally I am not a programmer, nevertheless I'd like to post the
>following questions:
>
>1) AnexTek SP-230 produced by AnexTek Global Inc. features 64MB SDRAM and
>64MB Flash Ram. This pocket PC utilizes Windows Mobile 2003 as OS. I wonder
>how much space in flash the OS takes to get installed;
>
>2) for a spare time project, I wish someone can help me implementing a
>database to manage a huge inventory of items (a sort of domestic store),
>hence I am looking for a DB development tool that perfectly matches with Win
>Mobile 2003. Any suggestion?

Several companies make and sell inventory programs. We make and sell a
program that is primarily aimed at inspections, but can definitely be
used for inventories. Buying is often less expensive than writing your
own; depends on your skill and the value of your time. If you are
really going to be the only user, than you won't need to worry quite
so much about all the problems that crop up when dealing with real
users, and thus could get away with less programming time.

If you really want to write your own program, I recommend using google
(http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search) to look up
newbie
in microsoft.public.pocketpc.developer. You will see many messages
from me with similar advice. You will also see many messages with real
advice for beginners.


>
>3) in case the pocket pc battery expires, I expect not to loose the item
>inventory, neither partly nor entirely. So I would desire to map it into
>Flash as well as the OS does. But is it doable, or just the OS is supposed
>to take place in the Flash?

Others have partly answered this set of questions, but I'll add a bit.

The OS is stored in ROM; some of it gets copied to RAM as needed when
running. ROM retains everything even after a cold boot and/or complete
batter drain. Files stored in ROM can be changed only by special
procedures.

On many/most Windows CE/Pocket PC/Windows Mobile devices, all
installed programs, program data, and the registry are in RAM. RAM
loses everything during a cold boot and/or complete battery drain.

Some devices have some persistent memory that is not quite ROM or RAM.
It retains its info even after a cold boot and/or complete battery
drain. It _may_ (depending on the device) be easily changed using
"normal" procedures. For Pocket PC 2003 it is probably in a folder
called IPSM (Intel Persistent Memory Storage), but that folder name
will be changed to Storage. The industrial devices I've seen with
persistent memory use it to store semi-specialized installation stuff,
so important programs get reinstalled after a cold boot and/or
complete loss of battery. One device I've seen seems to store the
registry in persistent memory. This memory is likely to be too small
for full programs and data.

At least one of my customers tried running our program off a CF Card,
but that was very slow. Running the program, per se, wasn't too bad
(it is loaded only once), but data access was. CF Cards have gotten
faster, but are probably still slower than main memory.

I've pretty much just finished a backup/restore utility for our
program. It can be used to copy data to some persistent storage
(perhaps a CF or SD card), and can be set up to automatically restore
the program _and_ data after a cold boot and/or battery loss. I don't
bother with the registry, but my program's installation restores
everything my program uses in the registry. This won't completely
prevent data loss, but seems like a good compromise.


>
>Thanks in advance for you time and replies.
>
>ANdrea
>

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 1:16 am
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One is glad to be of service.



~S.






"Dott. Ing. Andrea NOTARI" <anotari.TakeThisOut@libero.it> wrote in
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> Greatly explained. Thanks once more.
> ANdrea
>
>





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ACE!!! a.k.a. ~S.
OS. Osaris / Psion 5mx
iPAQ 5550 / Nokia 6310
HTTP://www.xarane.com
======================
Windows Mobile 2003 Second Edition Petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/HPWMK3SE/petition.html
13033 Total Signatures on Friday, Oct. 29th 2004!
HP 'Windows Mobile 2003 SE Support' Forum:
http://forums.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=641503
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