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BenMarg

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Since: Aug 03, 2003
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2003 11:16 pm
Post subject: -- HandEra to Clie SJ20 data transfer
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My full to overflowing HE syncs to a Windows 95 computer with only a serial
port. My new empty SJ20 syncs to another computer with only a USB port. I
have installed to the new computer from the Sony CD their Sony version of the
Palm desktop. I'd like advice on how to get my data from the HE to the Sony.
I also have a brand new 6 in 1 card reader (haven't opened the box yet; never
had one before). Maybe reading the documentation that comes with the card
reader will answer some of my questions, and I will do that. I have my HE
backed up to a CF card. If I use the reader to import the contents to the hard
drive on the new computer (and for the moment I don't have a memory stick) how
do I get that info to where it will synch to the SJ20? If I did have a memory
stick, could I just copy all the data to it, and would it then be structured in
such a way that I could simply copy it to the Sony (as I would if I were
restoring data to my HE from the CF card)?

I am afraid to manipulate files by just transplanting them from the old desktop
on the old computer (via floppy) to the same location in the new desktop,
because I don't understand enough (in fact I don't understand anything) about
what goes on behind the scenes of the synchronization process. And likewise I
don't know what form the imported data from the CF card would have and how/if
it can be imported/transferred from the hard drive of the new computer to the
Sony desktop. I have browsed the books I can find in the bookstores about
using Palm OS based PDA's, and I am amazed at how little there is about
handling those files in anything but the most basic ways; one fairly large book
does not even have "archiving" in the index. I don't want to get into
programming or anything of that sort, but I would like to know a little more
about the purpose of the various folders in the desktop(s), what gets synched
and what doesn't. Can anyone recommed where I might find a good fairly concise
discussion of that sort of thing?

And by the way, would beaming be a viable way to transfer fairly large amounts
of address and memo pad data and programs?

Any answer would be appreciated and thanks much in advance.

Ben
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BenMarg

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2003 11:16 pm
Post subject: -- HandEra to Clie SJ20 data transfer
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

My full to overflowing HE syncs to a Windows 95 computer with only a serial
port. My new empty SJ20 syncs to another computer with only a USB port. I
have installed to the new computer from the Sony CD their Sony version of the
Palm desktop. I'd like advice on how to get my data from the HE to the Sony.
I also have a brand new 6 in 1 card reader (haven't opened the box yet; never
had one before). Maybe reading the documentation that comes with the card
reader will answer some of my questions, and I will do that. I have my HE
backed up to a CF card. If I use the reader to import the contents to the hard
drive on the new computer (and for the moment I don't have a memory stick) how
do I get that info to where it will synch to the SJ20? If I did have a memory
stick, could I just copy all the data to it, and would it then be structured in
such a way that I could simply copy it to the Sony (as I would if I were
restoring data to my HE from the CF card)?

I am afraid to manipulate files by just transplanting them from the old desktop
on the old computer (via floppy) to the same location in the new desktop,
because I don't understand enough (in fact I don't understand anything) about
what goes on behind the scenes of the synchronization process. And likewise I
don't know what form the imported data from the CF card would have and how/if
it can be imported/transferred from the hard drive of the new computer to the
Sony desktop. I have browsed the books I can find in the bookstores about
using Palm OS based PDA's, and I am amazed at how little there is about
handling those files in anything but the most basic ways; one fairly large book
does not even have "archiving" in the index. I don't want to get into
programming or anything of that sort, but I would like to know a little more
about the purpose of the various folders in the desktop(s), what gets synched
and what doesn't. Can anyone recommed where I might find a good fairly concise
discussion of that sort of thing?

And by the way, would beaming be a viable way to transfer fairly large amounts
of address and memo pad data and programs?

Any answer would be appreciated and thanks much in advance.

Ben
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Bob Greschke

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 8:19 am
Post subject: Re: -- HandEra to Clie SJ20 data transfer [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Howdy!

I went from a 330 to an SJ22 a few months ago.

Go through your 330 and turn off/delete all of the HandEra-specific programs
that you may have installed. Things like AutoCF, and the program that turns
the Graffiti area into a keyboard come to mind. Also turn off all hacks and
any hackmaster you may have running. Then do a final hotsync of your 330
with your old computer.

Really it is as easy as copying the folder on the old computer that begins
with your 330's user name (like mine is MiniBob, so the folder I would look
for would be Minibo -- Palm only seems to use the first 6 letters) from the
Palm folder on the old computer to the Palm folder on the new computer. I
think the default location for the Palm folder is usually C:\Palm. Using
floppies should work.

Then do a hard reset on the SJ20 (hold down the power button, push the reset
button (the hole) on the back of the SJ20, and then release the power button
when you see the Palm logo appear on the display (the backlight may or may
not be on when the logo appears). A hard reset is also a test of manual
dexterity if you do it right. Smile Assuming that there is nothing on the Sony
you want to keep press the "up" button to erase everything.

Now do a hotsync with the new computer. Since the username, and everything
else, has been erased from the Sony the hotsync program will ask you what
the new username should be. The name for your 330 should show up in the
list. Select it and everything will be restored. Then go through and
restart any hacks and stuff. Some programs may not work, so just go through
and check them all. You may also have to reenter some registration codes.

(more below)

"BenMarg" <benmarg RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030803001645.04816.00001184@mb-m26.aol.com...
> My full to overflowing HE syncs to a Windows 95 computer with only a
serial
> port. My new empty SJ20 syncs to another computer with only a USB port.
I
> have installed to the new computer from the Sony CD their Sony version of
the
> Palm desktop. I'd like advice on how to get my data from the HE to the
Sony.
> I also have a brand new 6 in 1 card reader (haven't opened the box yet;
never
> had one before). Maybe reading the documentation that comes with the card
> reader will answer some of my questions, and I will do that. I have my HE
> backed up to a CF card. If I use the reader to import the contents to the
hard
> drive on the new computer (and for the moment I don't have a memory stick)
how
> do I get that info to where it will synch to the SJ20?

If you've used the HE Backup program to back up the 330 to the CF card there
is no program on the Sony that will be able to read that backup file. So
this won't help you move anything over to the Sony that was in RAM on your
330. That will be done using the hotsync method above.


>If I did have a memory
> stick, could I just copy all the data to it, and would it then be
structured in
> such a way that I could simply copy it to the Sony (as I would if I were
> restoring data to my HE from the CF card)?

All of the other information on your CF card, like books, should be in a
format that will be usable on the Sony. When you get your card reader
running on the new machine, and stick the CF card in it should show up as
any hard drive or floppy would. You can just drag and drop the files
anywhere you want. To install them to the Sony I would just individually
hotsync them (double click on them), then use the programs on the Sony to
move them from RAM to a memory stick when you get one. Each application
program may have a different place (folders and sub-folders) on the memory
stick where it will want its data files to be kept, so just let the
individual programs handle it themselves. Letting PalmOS and VFS handle
things is a bit more complicated than the days of AutoCF on the HandEra
where you could just stick everything in the same folder.


> I am afraid to manipulate files by just transplanting them from the old
desktop
> on the old computer (via floppy) to the same location in the new desktop,
> because I don't understand enough (in fact I don't understand anything)
about
> what goes on behind the scenes of the synchronization process.

Just transfer that whole 'your username here' file from the old Palm folder
to the new Palm folder and you should be fine.


>And likewise I
> don't know what form the imported data from the CF card would have and
how/if
> it can be imported/transferred from the hard drive of the new computer to
the
> Sony desktop.

Like I said above, the file created by the HE Backup program can only be
read by another HE Backup program. Sony's backup program backs up a copy of
each individual file in RAM, rather than squishing them all together into
one backup file.


> I have browsed the books I can find in the bookstores about
> using Palm OS based PDA's, and I am amazed at how little there is about
> handling those files in anything but the most basic ways; one fairly large
book
> does not even have "archiving" in the index. I don't want to get into
> programming or anything of that sort, but I would like to know a little
more
> about the purpose of the various folders in the desktop(s), what gets
synched
> and what doesn't. Can anyone recommed where I might find a good fairly
concise
> discussion of that sort of thing?

The newsgroups. Smile I think everything changes so fast that the bookstores
can't keep up.


> And by the way, would beaming be a viable way to transfer fairly large
amounts
> of address and memo pad data and programs?

I don't think the built-in beam command will allow you to beam the
databases. It's just not that smart. A program like FileZ will let you,
but some programs actually use a number of separate files to keep their
information in, so you would have to know all of the files to beam. Just
doing the hotsync shuffle will take care of it.

Bob




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Bob Greschke

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 8:19 am
Post subject: Re: -- HandEra to Clie SJ20 data transfer [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Howdy!

I went from a 330 to an SJ22 a few months ago.

Go through your 330 and turn off/delete all of the HandEra-specific programs
that you may have installed. Things like AutoCF, and the program that turns
the Graffiti area into a keyboard come to mind. Also turn off all hacks and
any hackmaster you may have running. Then do a final hotsync of your 330
with your old computer.

Really it is as easy as copying the folder on the old computer that begins
with your 330's user name (like mine is MiniBob, so the folder I would look
for would be Minibo -- Palm only seems to use the first 6 letters) from the
Palm folder on the old computer to the Palm folder on the new computer. I
think the default location for the Palm folder is usually C:\Palm. Using
floppies should work.

Then do a hard reset on the SJ20 (hold down the power button, push the reset
button (the hole) on the back of the SJ20, and then release the power button
when you see the Palm logo appear on the display (the backlight may or may
not be on when the logo appears). A hard reset is also a test of manual
dexterity if you do it right. Smile Assuming that there is nothing on the Sony
you want to keep press the "up" button to erase everything.

Now do a hotsync with the new computer. Since the username, and everything
else, has been erased from the Sony the hotsync program will ask you what
the new username should be. The name for your 330 should show up in the
list. Select it and everything will be restored. Then go through and
restart any hacks and stuff. Some programs may not work, so just go through
and check them all. You may also have to reenter some registration codes.

(more below)

"BenMarg" <benmarg RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030803001645.04816.00001184@mb-m26.aol.com...
> My full to overflowing HE syncs to a Windows 95 computer with only a
serial
> port. My new empty SJ20 syncs to another computer with only a USB port.
I
> have installed to the new computer from the Sony CD their Sony version of
the
> Palm desktop. I'd like advice on how to get my data from the HE to the
Sony.
> I also have a brand new 6 in 1 card reader (haven't opened the box yet;
never
> had one before). Maybe reading the documentation that comes with the card
> reader will answer some of my questions, and I will do that. I have my HE
> backed up to a CF card. If I use the reader to import the contents to the
hard
> drive on the new computer (and for the moment I don't have a memory stick)
how
> do I get that info to where it will synch to the SJ20?

If you've used the HE Backup program to back up the 330 to the CF card there
is no program on the Sony that will be able to read that backup file. So
this won't help you move anything over to the Sony that was in RAM on your
330. That will be done using the hotsync method above.


>If I did have a memory
> stick, could I just copy all the data to it, and would it then be
structured in
> such a way that I could simply copy it to the Sony (as I would if I were
> restoring data to my HE from the CF card)?

All of the other information on your CF card, like books, should be in a
format that will be usable on the Sony. When you get your card reader
running on the new machine, and stick the CF card in it should show up as
any hard drive or floppy would. You can just drag and drop the files
anywhere you want. To install them to the Sony I would just individually
hotsync them (double click on them), then use the programs on the Sony to
move them from RAM to a memory stick when you get one. Each application
program may have a different place (folders and sub-folders) on the memory
stick where it will want its data files to be kept, so just let the
individual programs handle it themselves. Letting PalmOS and VFS handle
things is a bit more complicated than the days of AutoCF on the HandEra
where you could just stick everything in the same folder.


> I am afraid to manipulate files by just transplanting them from the old
desktop
> on the old computer (via floppy) to the same location in the new desktop,
> because I don't understand enough (in fact I don't understand anything)
about
> what goes on behind the scenes of the synchronization process.

Just transfer that whole 'your username here' file from the old Palm folder
to the new Palm folder and you should be fine.


>And likewise I
> don't know what form the imported data from the CF card would have and
how/if
> it can be imported/transferred from the hard drive of the new computer to
the
> Sony desktop.

Like I said above, the file created by the HE Backup program can only be
read by another HE Backup program. Sony's backup program backs up a copy of
each individual file in RAM, rather than squishing them all together into
one backup file.


> I have browsed the books I can find in the bookstores about
> using Palm OS based PDA's, and I am amazed at how little there is about
> handling those files in anything but the most basic ways; one fairly large
book
> does not even have "archiving" in the index. I don't want to get into
> programming or anything of that sort, but I would like to know a little
more
> about the purpose of the various folders in the desktop(s), what gets
synched
> and what doesn't. Can anyone recommed where I might find a good fairly
concise
> discussion of that sort of thing?

The newsgroups. Smile I think everything changes so fast that the bookstores
can't keep up.


> And by the way, would beaming be a viable way to transfer fairly large
amounts
> of address and memo pad data and programs?

I don't think the built-in beam command will allow you to beam the
databases. It's just not that smart. A program like FileZ will let you,
but some programs actually use a number of separate files to keep their
information in, so you would have to know all of the files to beam. Just
doing the hotsync shuffle will take care of it.

Bob




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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2003 11:12 pm
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>Howdy!
>
>I went from a 330 to an SJ22 a few months ago.
>
>Go through your 330 and turn off/delete all of the HandEra-specific programs
>that you may have installed. Things like AutoCF, and the program that turns
>the Graffiti area into a keyboard come to mind. Also turn off all hacks and
>any hackmaster you may have running. Then do a final hotsync of your 330
>with your old computer.
>
>Really it is as easy as copying the folder on the old computer that begins
>with your 330's user name (like mine is MiniBob, so the folder I would look
>for would be Minibo -- Palm only seems to use the first 6 letters) from the
>Palm folder on the old computer to the Palm folder on the new computer. I
>think the default location for the Palm folder is usually C:\Palm. Using
>floppies should work.
>
>Then do a hard reset on the SJ20 (hold down the power button, push the reset
>button (the hole) on the back of the SJ20, and then release the power button
>when you see the Palm logo appear on the display (the backlight may or may
>not be on when the logo appears). A hard reset is also a test of manual
>dexterity if you do it right. Smile Assuming that there is nothing on the Sony
>you want to keep press the "up" button to erase everything.
>
>Now do a hotsync with the new computer. Since the username, and everything
>else, has been erased from the Sony the hotsync program will ask you what
>the new username should be. The name for your 330 should show up in the
>list. Select it and everything will be restored. Then go through and
>restart any hacks and stuff. Some programs may not work, so just go through
>and check them all. You may also have to reenter some registration codes.

Thanks very much Bob for a painstaking answer. Will do exactly as you
recommend. I am afraid of Hacks and have none to disable. But I'll get rid of
all the HE-specific programs (won't need them in any case) and copy the folders
as you suggested.

It stands to reason now that I think of it, that a backup done using the HE
backup program would not be readable using the Sony.

Again Bob, I really appreciate your effort. Going on vacation for a week and
will tackle the actual data transfer when I get back.

Ben
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BenMarg

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2003 11:12 pm
Post subject: Re: -- HandEra to Clie SJ20 data transfer [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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>Howdy!
>
>I went from a 330 to an SJ22 a few months ago.
>
>Go through your 330 and turn off/delete all of the HandEra-specific programs
>that you may have installed. Things like AutoCF, and the program that turns
>the Graffiti area into a keyboard come to mind. Also turn off all hacks and
>any hackmaster you may have running. Then do a final hotsync of your 330
>with your old computer.
>
>Really it is as easy as copying the folder on the old computer that begins
>with your 330's user name (like mine is MiniBob, so the folder I would look
>for would be Minibo -- Palm only seems to use the first 6 letters) from the
>Palm folder on the old computer to the Palm folder on the new computer. I
>think the default location for the Palm folder is usually C:\Palm. Using
>floppies should work.
>
>Then do a hard reset on the SJ20 (hold down the power button, push the reset
>button (the hole) on the back of the SJ20, and then release the power button
>when you see the Palm logo appear on the display (the backlight may or may
>not be on when the logo appears). A hard reset is also a test of manual
>dexterity if you do it right. Smile Assuming that there is nothing on the Sony
>you want to keep press the "up" button to erase everything.
>
>Now do a hotsync with the new computer. Since the username, and everything
>else, has been erased from the Sony the hotsync program will ask you what
>the new username should be. The name for your 330 should show up in the
>list. Select it and everything will be restored. Then go through and
>restart any hacks and stuff. Some programs may not work, so just go through
>and check them all. You may also have to reenter some registration codes.

Thanks very much Bob for a painstaking answer. Will do exactly as you
recommend. I am afraid of Hacks and have none to disable. But I'll get rid of
all the HE-specific programs (won't need them in any case) and copy the folders
as you suggested.

It stands to reason now that I think of it, that a backup done using the HE
backup program would not be readable using the Sony.

Again Bob, I really appreciate your effort. Going on vacation for a week and
will tackle the actual data transfer when I get back.

Ben
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