Dell X5 Windows Mobile 2003 Second Addition upgrade?

On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 14:29:03 -0400, Slider RemoveThis @keyboard.com wrote:

>Up to this point Dell says they will not by offering an upgrade to the
>soon to be released Windows Mobile 2003 Second Addition. Will I be
>able to it upgrade through Microsoft or some other method?

The only way to get an upgrade is by getting it from the OEM, so from
Dell. They have to decide whether or not to provide the upgrade, since
they're the ones who have to add their specific bits to the generic WM
bits.

--
Marlof Bregonje
Microsoft MVP - Mobile Devices [ http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile ]
Pocket PC Thoughts [ http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com ]

On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 22:18:43 +0200, "Marlof Bregonje, MS-MVP/Mobile
Devices" <askforit DeleteThis @thenewsgroup.address.invalid> wrote:

>On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 14:29:03 -0400, Slider DeleteThis @keyboard.com wrote:
>
>>Up to this point Dell says they will not by offering an upgrade to the
>>soon to be released Windows Mobile 2003 Second Addition. Will I be
>>able to it upgrade through Microsoft or some other method?
>
>The only way to get an upgrade is by getting it from the OEM, so from
>Dell. They have to decide whether or not to provide the upgrade, since
>they're the ones who have to add their specific bits to the generic WM
>bits.


Well, that will be the last Dell product I ever buy.

<Slider DeleteThis @keyboard.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 22:18:43 +0200, "Marlof Bregonje, MS-MVP/Mobile
> Devices" <askforit DeleteThis @thenewsgroup.address.invalid> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 14:29:03 -0400, Slider DeleteThis @keyboard.com wrote:
> >
> >>Up to this point Dell says they will not by offering an upgrade to the
> >>soon to be released Windows Mobile 2003 Second Addition. Will I be
> >>able to it upgrade through Microsoft or some other method?
> >
> >The only way to get an upgrade is by getting it from the OEM, so from
> >Dell. They have to decide whether or not to provide the upgrade, since
> >they're the ones who have to add their specific bits to the generic WM
> >bits.
>
>
> Well, that will be the last Dell product I ever buy.

Just what is in the upgrade that you need so much to prompt such a response?

On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:51:20 +0100, "AlanS"
<news.DeleteThis@remove.abyz.fslife.co.uk> wrote:

>
><Slider.DeleteThis@keyboard.com> wrote in message
>news:53h1701lpetj4nfeh8mbe1t92ctjnerhmf@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 22:18:43 +0200, "Marlof Bregonje, MS-MVP/Mobile
>> Devices" <askforit.DeleteThis@thenewsgroup.address.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 14:29:03 -0400, Slider.DeleteThis@keyboard.com wrote:
>> >
>> >>Up to this point Dell says they will not by offering an upgrade to the
>> >>soon to be released Windows Mobile 2003 Second Addition. Will I be
>> >>able to it upgrade through Microsoft or some other method?
>> >
>> >The only way to get an upgrade is by getting it from the OEM, so from
>> >Dell. They have to decide whether or not to provide the upgrade, since
>> >they're the ones who have to add their specific bits to the generic WM
>> >bits.
>>
>>
>> Well, that will be the last Dell product I ever buy.
>
>Just what is in the upgrade that you need so much to prompt such a response?
>

The easy orientation switch for one thing and future upgrades to
Pocket Excel and Word.

On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:51:44 -0400, Slider.RemoveThis@keyboard.com wrote:

>The easy orientation switch for one thing and future upgrades to
>Pocket Excel and Word.

"future upgrades to Pocket Excel and Word"? How do you know it's tied
into WM2003SE? Just because Dell isn't going to offer WM2003SE doesn't
mean it's not going to offer later versions - they probably feel the
cost of the upgrade isn't worth it (it's not cheap to offer an upgrade
- you've gotta build the OS, test it, and send it through compliance
testing... figure tens of thousands of dollars).

--
Rob Borek
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On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 01:55:55 -0400, Rob Borek <rborek.RemoveThis@spamcop.net>
wrote:

>On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:51:44 -0400, Slider.RemoveThis@keyboard.com wrote:
>
>>The easy orientation switch for one thing and future upgrades to
>>Pocket Excel and Word.
>
>"future upgrades to Pocket Excel and Word"? How do you know it's tied
>into WM2003SE? Just because Dell isn't going to offer WM2003SE doesn't
>mean it's not going to offer later versions - they probably feel the
>cost of the upgrade isn't worth it (it's not cheap to offer an upgrade
>- you've gotta build the OS, test it, and send it through compliance
>testing... figure tens of thousands of dollars).

Noticed you totally ignored the part about the easy switching to
Landscape mode.

Also, it is a well-known fact that Axim 5's and 3's were being flashed
with Windows Mobile 2003 Second Edition, free of charge, at the
Microsoft Mobile Developer's Conference. Really sounds like a lot of
building and testing needs to be done.

I done with Dell unless they rethink this BS.

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 10:45:50 -0400, Slider.TakeThisOut@keyboard.com wrote:

>Noticed you totally ignored the part about the easy switching to
>Landscape mode.

I concentrated on the other points. You may find landscape essential,
but I pretty much never use my device in landscape mode.

>Also, it is a well-known fact that Axim 5's and 3's were being flashed
>with Windows Mobile 2003 Second Edition, free of charge, at the
>Microsoft Mobile Developer's Conference. Really sounds like a lot of
>building and testing needs to be done.

These were developer "raw" builds - missing software from the OEMs,
and not guaranteed to work (they had to sign agreements to acknowledge
this fact). For example, if you flahshed your 2210 at MDC to WM2003SE,
you'd no longer have Bluetooth.

--
Rob Borek
Want *ONE ON ONE* support? http://www.pocketpcone2one.com
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"AlanS" <news.DeleteThis@remove.abyz.fslife.co.uk> wrote in message
> Just what is in the upgrade that you need so much to prompt such a
response?

What's it to you? Why have you made it your business to question what others
want? I think you're schizophrenic. I've seen you post helpful info on other
threads, but yet you seem to be going for confrontation on threads having to
do with upgrading to WM 2003SE. Maybe you should only let the good Alan use
the computer. Later...

Rick

On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 4:30:28 +0200, Slider RemoveThis @keyboard.com wrote
(in message <53h1701lpetj4nfeh8mbe1t92ctjnerhmf RemoveThis @4ax.com>):

> Well, that will be the last Dell product I ever buy.

Although your Dell still does what it did when you decided you
wanted it, I sure can understand your anger that a relatively
new device might not be supported for software upgrades. As Rob
Borek said: an upgrade might look easy from the outside, but in
fact there's a lot of technological and legal issues involved.
Providing an upgrade to your users costs time. And time is
money. All I can say: people at the time were wondering how
Dell could provide relatively cheap Pocket PCs, compared to the
competition. I guess not spending too much money in the after
sales might be part of that.

Right now, when there's a price war going on, it will be
interesting to see which OEM has the best after sales support.
For me, that is very important in my purchase decision. This is
also the reason that I for one have not advised my friends to
get a Toshiba, because Toshiba had the worst track record in
providing software upgrades for their Pocket PCs. This does seem
to improve right now though. HP on the other hand usually has a
way to upgrade, esp. for recent devices. But now, even HP seems
to have closed the gates for some models.

--
Marlof Bregonje
Microsoft MVP - Mobile Devices [http://www.microsoft.com/mobile]
Pocket PC Thoughts [http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com]

I'm still smarting from HP not upgrading my 680e. It is a great device
better than carrying a notebook when travelling, quick and easy to use with
a workable keyboard. Not quite workable enough to write war and peace but
fine for e-mail and short documents/letters and the like.

It turned out to be a dead-end. Up till then I had been a HP advocate. I
can't even trade it in for a new device here in Australia. It sits on the
desk under the monitor acting as a paper weight.
Wayne

> providing software upgrades for their Pocket PCs. This does seem
> to improve right now though. HP on the other hand usually has a
> way to upgrade, esp. for recent devices. But now, even HP seems
> to have closed the gates for some models.
>
> --
> Marlof Bregonje
> Microsoft MVP - Mobile Devices [http://www.microsoft.com/mobile]
> Pocket PC Thoughts [http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com]
>

On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 12:58:53 GMT, "Wayne Brown" <wayneb.TakeThisOut@pcug.org.au>
wrote:

>I'm still smarting from HP not upgrading my 680e. It is a great device
>better than carrying a notebook when travelling, quick and easy to use with
>a workable keyboard. Not quite workable enough to write war and peace but
>fine for e-mail and short documents/letters and the like.
>
>It turned out to be a dead-end. Up till then I had been a HP advocate. I
>can't even trade it in for a new device here in Australia. It sits on the
>desk under the monitor acting as a paper weight.
>Wayne

The Handheld PC died out - there never was an upgrade offered from
Microsoft. The 680e runs the last version of the HPC OS ever made -
Handheld PC 2000.

--
Rob Borek
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On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 2:58:53 -1000, Wayne Brown wrote
(in message <newscache$1exsvh$ddg$1@tomato.pcug.org.au>):

> I'm still smarting from HP not upgrading my 680e.

Nice device! I am still using its close relative, the Jornada
720, from time to time.

HP didn't always do it right (I remember all the fuss about the
430 upgrade that didn't go through even when it used to be
advertized on the HP website), but the merger with Compaq did
them some good: the iPAQ range has a nice upgrade history. Even
then, there always will be some limitations (ROM size, price of
the unit compared to the cost of providing an upgrade etc, age
of devices to support).


--
Marlof Bregonje
Microsoft MVP - Mobile Devices [http://www.microsoft.com/mobile]
Pocket PC Thoughts [http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com]

"Wayne Brown" <wayneb.TakeThisOut@pcug.org.au> wrote in message news:<newscache$1exsvh$ddg$1@tomato.pcug.org.au>...
> I'm still smarting from HP not upgrading my 680e. It is a great device
> better than carrying a notebook when travelling, quick and easy to use with
> a workable keyboard. Not quite workable enough to write war and peace but
> fine for e-mail and short documents/letters and the like.
>
> It turned out to be a dead-end. Up till then I had been a HP advocate. I
> can't even trade it in for a new device here in Australia. It sits on the
> desk under the monitor acting as a paper weight.

Why? Not to be a wise-arse, but what did it do when you bought it
that it stopped doing when newer devices were released?

Sure some of the new features of Windows Mobile 2003 units are slick,
but HPCs have a nice readable screen, a "real" keyboard, decent web
browsing and e-mail programs, etc. How did it go from "a great device
better than carrying a notebook when travelling, quick and easy to use
with a workable keyboard" to a "paperweight" just because a new OS
version isn't released every year for it?

In many ways, IMHO, the Pocket PC upgrades prove how stunted a
platform PPC has become. What does WM 2003 do for us that PPC 2000
couldn't (perhaps with a little 3rd party help?)

We're still blundering around with essentially the same versions of
Pocket Outlook, Work and Excel, and we're now all cheering because 4
years later we finally get features in the OS that 3rd party
developers gave us for older devices years before! PIE, for example,
FINALLY does almost as good as third party browsers like NetFront,
landscape mode is soon to be added, although NYDITOT and "Jimmy's"
gave it to us on PPC 2000, etc. etc.

Given the increased memory and faster processor speeds of the latest
devices, it's almost inexcusable that PIE can't be fully compatible
with IE5, why Pocket Excel does less than the MS Works spreadsheet
from the Win 3.1 era, why Inbox can't read HTML mail, etc.

Don't get me wrong- I love my PPCs, but they really haven't seemed to
evolve all that much in capabilities since I bought my old Casio
E-100 five years ago!