Word pc -> mac issues....

On Nov 4, 2:53 pm, Michael Vilain <vil....DeleteThis@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> In article
> <2d46ba18-a43b-445d-a241-22ddea69b....DeleteThis@u20g2000vbq.googlegroups.com>,
>
>  kali <maya778....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I started a new job recently, it's on a mac..  I have a few questions:
>
> > is normal.dot portable from pc to mac?  I have my own normal.dot,
> > highly customized, that I've been using for years, and porting from
> > home to work, etc..  but until now have always been on a pc..  is it
> > possible to use this normal.dot on the mac?
>
> > I also would like to know where you do things like not mark misspelled
> > words
> > (no tools -> options..  no tools -> customize  on the mac...)
>
> > thank you..
>
> Having been using MacOS since V5 back in the mid-1980's and Word 1 for
> Macintosh, I sent Word documents to people and for the most part they
> can read them.  The portability between Word 2004 for Macintosh and the
> PC version that doesn't understand ODF format is OK.  I would think the
> protability of the template file would depend on the versions of PC and
> MacOS Word.
>
> Of course, you could always buy a Mac for home...
>
> --
> DeeDee, don't press that button!  DeeDee!  NO!  Dee...
> [I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically by ignored]

oh -- I will buy a mac for home.. MOST DEFINITELY.. I spent a year
and-a-half on a Vista nightmare -- and after that I swore I will never
again buy a pc.. it's just a budget question at this point... as soon
as I can I will make that purchase, esp since now am on a mac at
work.. I'm a web developer, many web development depts now are now
switching to macs among other reasons b/c you can test your stuff on
all browsers on the one machine (since you can run XP on the mac..)
and because they're unix-based, which is also what most web servers
run on -- and of course for many other reasons -- like FINALLY after
all these years, people are realizing that the mac OS IS so superior
to Windows after all.. it took major screw-ups on the part of M$
(Vista being the main one), but finally folks are coming around to
macs and relegating Windows to the dustbin of history, which is
exactly where it belongs.... M$ NOW finally is starting to suffer
the consequences of its sheer SLOPPINESS and laziness and MEDIOCRITY
-- no doubt they thought they could get away with it forever because
they had a virtual monopoly, but well, it was only a VIRTUAL monopoly,
wasn't it...;!) now their sheer incompetence in software design and
execution is coming back to bite them in the behind big-time...

back to normal.dot question: I thought that because the way you set
up and configure stuff in MS Word for mac is so different from how you
do it in MS Word for Windows that maybe normal.dot wouldn't be
portable.. MS Word is version 2003, mac MS Office version is
12.1.9... well, I guess I have to try -- as long as it won't mess
anything up if it turns out it doesn't work...

thanks again...

"kali" <maya778899.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ab45a490-6f0d-417a-bed8-4ea0a3db7d6a@o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 4, 2:53 pm, Michael Vilain <vil....DeleteThis@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> In article
> <2d46ba18-a43b-445d-a241-22ddea69b....DeleteThis@u20g2000vbq.googlegroups.com>,
>
> kali <maya778....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I started a new job recently, it's on a mac.. I have a few questions:
>
> > is normal.dot portable from pc to mac? I have my own normal.dot,
> > highly customized, that I've been using for years, and porting from
> > home to work, etc.. but until now have always been on a pc.. is it
> > possible to use this normal.dot on the mac?
>
> > I also would like to know where you do things like not mark misspelled
> > words
> > (no tools -> options.. no tools -> customize on the mac...)
>
> > thank you..
>
> Having been using MacOS since V5 back in the mid-1980's and Word 1 for
> Macintosh, I sent Word documents to people and for the most part they
> can read them. The portability between Word 2004 for Macintosh and the
> PC version that doesn't understand ODF format is OK. I would think the
> protability of the template file would depend on the versions of PC and
> MacOS Word.
>
> Of course, you could always buy a Mac for home...
>
> --
> DeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee...
> [I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically by
> ignored]

oh -- I will buy a mac for home.. MOST DEFINITELY.. I spent a year
and-a-half on a Vista nightmare -- and after that I swore I will never
again buy a pc.. it's just a budget question at this point... as soon
as I can I will make that purchase, esp since now am on a mac at
work.. I'm a web developer, many web development depts now are now
switching to macs among other reasons b/c you can test your stuff on
all browsers on the one machine (since you can run XP on the mac..)
and because they're unix-based, which is also what most web servers
run on -- and of course for many other reasons -- like FINALLY after
all these years, people are realizing that the mac OS IS so superior
to Windows after all.. it took major screw-ups on the part of M$
(Vista being the main one), but finally folks are coming around to
macs and relegating Windows to the dustbin of history, which is
exactly where it belongs.... M$ NOW finally is starting to suffer
the consequences of its sheer SLOPPINESS and laziness and MEDIOCRITY
-- no doubt they thought they could get away with it forever because
they had a virtual monopoly, but well, it was only a VIRTUAL monopoly,
wasn't it...;!) now their sheer incompetence in software design and
execution is coming back to bite them in the behind big-time...

back to normal.dot question: I thought that because the way you set
up and configure stuff in MS Word for mac is so different from how you
do it in MS Word for Windows that maybe normal.dot wouldn't be
portable.. MS Word is version 2003, mac MS Office version is
12.1.9... well, I guess I have to try -- as long as it won't mess
anything up if it turns out it doesn't work...

thanks again...

Hello kali & Welcome to the Mac!

First key point: According to what you have stated your version of Mac
Office 2008 is seriously in need of updating. The SP2 (12.2.0) & 12.2.1
updates need to be applied... I know it doesn't "sound" like a big differnce
based solely on the numbers but SP2 is a major update.

As for your Normal template: Office 2007 [PC] & Office 2008 [Mac] do not use
the same native file format as did prior versions, so your existing
Normal.dot will not work with either the newer Mac or PC versions. Even if
you were to put a copy of it in the right place Word 2008 would ignore it &
create an appropriate Normal.dotm in the appropriate format. And don't just
change the extension -- that won't work either

Depending on exactly what type of "customizations" it contains, however, you
can use Organizer to import such things as Styles from your Normal.dot to
Word 2008's Normal.dotm, but if you're referring to macros you're out of
luck. Office 2008 does not support VBA, so macros are out altogether in all
of the apps. It will be restored in Mac Office Next.

It's also possible that some of those customizations may not be viable in
the Mac version but I can't say for certain without knowing what they are.
I've never been a fan of trying to move Normal from one installation to
another in the first place let alone from one OS to another, but others may
be able to provide more insight if you supply enough detail about the stuff
in question.

On the Mac, the equivalent of Options is Preferences which can be accessed
from the Application Menu...i.e., Word> Preferences -- Or you use the
keystroke Command+, (Command+comma).

--
HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

Hello,

On 2009.11.05 6:21, in article
ab45a490-6f0d-417a-bed8-4ea0a3db7d6a DeleteThis @o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com, "kali"
<maya778899 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

> oh -- I will buy a mac for home.. MOST DEFINITELY.. I spent a year
> and-a-half on a Vista nightmare -- and after that I swore I will never
> again buy a pc.. it's just a budget question at this point...

For all its strengths, Vista had performance and driver issues
out-of-the-box that left a bad taste in the mouths of a lot of people.
I was certainly willing to give Vista a chance and tried upgrading
at least a few machines to Vista, but the performance in
comparison with XP was downright miserable, even on machines
with comparatively decent specs. That was actually
one of the factors that motivated me to migrate to the Mac for
my daily work and home use, although I still do have a Windows XP
machine and a few virtual installs via Boot Camp and Parallels
of Vista in different flavors.

> as soon
> as I can I will make that purchase, esp since now am on a mac at
> work.. I'm a web developer, many web development depts now are now
> switching to macs among other reasons b/c you can test your stuff on
> all browsers on the one machine (since you can run XP on the mac..)
> and because they're unix-based, which is also what most web servers
> run on

The "switch" from Windows to Mac is not something that has just
started recently. Actually, for various reasons the Mac has
traditionally been strong with designers, possibly because
of its appeal to creative individuals that started at a very early
stage in Apple's history. However, I wouldn't go as far as to say
that web developers are switching to the Mac en masse.
The major software and media development platforms for
Mac and Windows, namely Adobe Creative Suite, the Corel programs
and so on are essentially the same on Mac or Windows.
It's quite possible to be equally productive on either
platform. And there are plenty of Windows servers out there

> -- and of course for many other reasons -- like FINALLY after
> all these years, people are realizing that the mac OS IS so superior
> to Windows after all..

You mean, "you" and "some other people". Don't get me wrong -
I use the Mac daily at work and at home, and in general I find
Mac OS X Leopard and Snow Leopard to be responsive, quick,
and effective for my needs. But there are some things that I
do miss, namely effective window management. You can't drag and
resize a window from any side in Mac OS X, for instance.
Have you seen Windows 7 yet? Mac OS X is really lagging
far behind Windows 7 now in terms of being able to arrange
and handle windows on screen. Aero Snap and Aero Shake are
quite frankly, just wonderful. Mac OS X does have Expose and
Spaces, which are also useful - but there is still the hassle
of rearranging windows on the screen from time to time.
This is probably the single most irritating issue for me with
Mac OS X, aside from the lack of keyboard accelerators which
Windows apps routinely offer.

We could get into the pros and cons of each platform,
but quite honestly, I don't think it's necessary. There are
plenty of feature comparison sites and head-to-head reviews
out there on the web. Suffice to say that I think it's
more productive if you realize that each
platform has its strengths and weaknesses - there is no
golden apple for anything in the software world, and certainly
no reason to tout Mac OS X as being "so superior" to Windows
when it has its own issues to deal with as well.
You just switched recently - use it for a couple of years,
and you'll see what I mean.

> it took major screw-ups on the part of M$
> (Vista being the main one), but finally folks are coming around to
> macs and relegating Windows to the dustbin of history, which is
> exactly where it belongs....

Apple has gained in market share in recent months;
but Windows overall still commands a huge share of users worldwide,
and that's not going to change overnight. I wouldn't argue a
bit that Vista was ultimately a failure in terms of usability
and performance, but that alone is not going to relegate
Windows to the dustbin of history. Windows 7 has a fighting
chance of restoring some consumer confidence in Microsoft,
from the looks of it. Mac OS X Snow Leopard was arguably a
"minor" upgrade, but Apple is going to have to work even harder
to innovate an OS X that will excite consumers enough to want
to upgrade next time. I personally am looking forward to
what comes next.

Jeff

Hi Kali:

On 5/11/09 5:23 AM, in article
2d46ba18-a43b-445d-a241-22ddea69bad2.RemoveThis@u20g2000vbq.googlegroups.com, "kali"
<maya778899.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> I started a new job recently, it's on a mac.. I have a few questions:
>
> is normal.dot portable from pc to mac? I have my own normal.dot,
> highly customized, that I've been using for years, and porting from
> home to work, etc.. but until now have always been on a pc.. is it
> possible to use this normal.dot on the mac?

No, it is not. At least: you can "try it" but I think it will make Mac
Word very unstable, because Mac Word does not implement some of the PC Word
features you may have customised.

I tried sharing Normal.dot on this machine where I have Word 2000, 2003,
2004, 2007, 2008 and 2010.

One tends to live in very uncertain times...

For example, due to a design bug they never fixed, Word 2004 won't recognise
the Normal template unless you remove the filename extension. Word 2008
won't use it unless the extension is there. Word 2008 will want to strip
all the macros from Normal.dotm, and won't use it if you don't allow that.

> I also would like to know where you do things like not mark misspelled
> words
> (no tools -> options.. no tools -> customize on the mac...)

Tools>Options is Word>Preferences on the Mac.

Hope this helps

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McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name

Hi Jeff:

On 5/11/09 12:00 PM, in article C71852CB.886%japchap@hotmail.com, "Jeff
Chapman" <japchap.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

> For all its strengths, Vista had performance and driver issues
> out-of-the-box that left a bad taste in the mouths of a lot of people.

Vista had a strength? Do tell? What was it?

The only "strength" I am aware of is that my Vista virtual machine survived
the upgrade to Parallels 5, which came out yesterday. Windows XP and
Windows 7 did NOT: they had to be rebuilt because they hang in a repetitive
BSOD if you attempt to upgrade them.

>> -- and of course for many other reasons -- like FINALLY after
>> all these years, people are realizing that the mac OS IS so superior
>> to Windows after all..
>
> You mean, "you" and "some other people". Don't get me wrong -
> I use the Mac daily at work and at home, and in general I find
> Mac OS X Leopard and Snow Leopard to be responsive, quick,
> and effective for my needs.

Yes, I would have to agree with Jeff on this one. Out at the fringes,
Windows 7 is more fully-featured, and faster on the same hardware than Mac
OS 10.6. Windows has a lot of bells and whistles that are used in a
commercial or corporate environment.

But like Jeff, I prefer OS X for use on a small network at home. It is
simply more stable and requires less futzing with to get it right and keep
it working.

After five years of "playing around" with Mac, gradually dipping my toes
further and further into the water, I finally went "All Mac" in my small
business earlier this year.

In four or five years when I re-evaluate the hardware for the next upgrade,
I will have another close look at the offerings from both sides, and again
choose the one that best suits my business needs (by that time, that will
probably be 'retirement needs').

> I think it's more productive if you realize that each platform has its
> strengths and weaknesses - there is no golden apple for anything in the
> software world, and certainly no reason to tout Mac OS X as being "so
> superior" to Windows when it has its own issues to deal with as well. You just
> switched recently - use it for a couple of years, and you'll see what I mean.

Yes, I agree. After a few years you will get used to Apple's very
black-and-white "Yes, you can do that, click this button..." or "No, you
can't do that." In Windows, it's always "shades of grey" "Yes, you can do
that, and here's the five articles you'll need to understand to work out
how" or "No, you can't do that out of the box, but here's the 600 pages you
will need to understand to program around that."

>> it took major screw-ups on the part of M$
>> (Vista being the main one), but finally folks are coming around to
>> macs and relegating Windows to the dustbin of history, which is
>> exactly where it belongs....

In the majority of the world, Windows has 96 per cent of the desktops, Apple
has 4 per cent. I wish my software was in that dustbin!! In the USA,
Apple's market share has "doubled" and everyone is panting with glee. But
in the USA, Apple is still on only 8 per cent of the desktops, and nearly
all of those are NOT in business. Steve Jobs has a way to go yet before he
can re-write the history books. Bill Gates, on the other hand, has retired
to do charity work: 'Mission Accomplished'

Just my $0.02 worth..

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This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
matters unless you intend to pay!

John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:john@mcghie.name

Hi there, John,

Always a pleasure to hear from you.

On 2009.11.05 12:02, in article C7188B68.3A47%john@mcghie.name, "John
McGhie" <john DeleteThis @mcghie.name> wrote:

> Vista had a strength? Do tell? What was it?
> The only "strength" I am aware of is that my Vista virtual machine survived
> the upgrade to Parallels 5, which came out yesterday. Windows XP and
> Windows 7 did NOT: they had to be rebuilt because they hang in a repetitive
> BSOD if you attempt to upgrade them.

Oooh, that is useful information (but sorry to hear it).
How's Parallels Desktop 5? I saw the promotional video
this morning and was suitably impressed, even though I
am more than a little skeptical about the so-called
"up to 20%" performance gains on VMs that they are
touting. I'm running Vista Business on Parallels Desktop 4
at work, and personally the performance leaves a great
deal to be desired. In contrast, Windows 7 is actually
pretty snappy in the same configuration. Well, Parallels
Desktop 5 is tempting, but I think I'll wait a bit longer
to let the early adopters get their nosebleeds before I
jump into upgrading my machines at work and at home... ;-D

(N.B. My idea of "waiting a bit longer" when it comes
to technology is, "see ya there in a few". Hehe.)

> Yes, I would have to agree with Jeff on this one. Out at the fringes,
> Windows 7 is more fully-featured, and faster on the same hardware than Mac
> OS 10.6. Windows has a lot of bells and whistles that are used in a
> commercial or corporate environment.

There are a few beautiful little programs I use on Windows
that simply don't have their counterparts in Mac OS X.
Like SnagIt, for instance. TechSmith is working on the Mac
version, but it is taking quite a bit of time.
MyLife Organized is another nice example. There are rough
equivalents for the Mac, but nothing really quite the same.
Hence the need to dual-boot, do the VM thing, etc.

> But like Jeff, I prefer OS X for use on a small network at home. It is
> simply more stable and requires less futzing with to get it right and keep
> it working.

Agreed - I've found that the "futzing" on the Mac end is
far more surface-level than with Windows.
Like you mentioned, there are often ways to really get under
the hood with Windows, provided you enjoy tweaking the
registry and adore the command line.

> In four or five years when I re-evaluate the hardware for the next upgrade,
> I will have another close look at the offerings from both sides, and again
> choose the one that best suits my business needs (by that time, that will
> probably be 'retirement needs').

I can certainly understand that. I'm going Mac for my
small business needs for now, but I'm sure that there will
be quite a few changes in the next five years.
The one change I am not welcoming is the "thin client"
or "cloud revolution" - throwing my sensitive data into the
cloud to let someone else's server store it has never
appealed much to me. Office 2008 offers Document Connection
which works well enough and can come in handy, but I wouldn't
trust it enough to put everything in the cloud.
This whole "get rid of the OS" or "get rid of the Office suite"
idea seems a little too premature to me.

> Yes, I agree. After a few years you will get used to Apple's very
> black-and-white "Yes, you can do that, click this button..." or "No, you
> can't do that." In Windows, it's always "shades of grey" "Yes, you can do
> that, and here's the five articles you'll need to understand to work out
> how" or "No, you can't do that out of the box, but here's the 600 pages you
> will need to understand to program around that."

Yeah, I lost my tolerance a couple of years ago with that,
as much as I enjoy hacking and tweaking around.
I realized that I spent more of my time tweaking my Windows
installation than getting anything productive done.
With the Mac, now I waste time *productively*

> In the majority of the world, Windows has 96 per cent of the desktops, Apple
> has 4 per cent. I wish my software was in that dustbin!! In the USA,
> Apple's market share has "doubled" and everyone is panting with glee. But
> in the USA, Apple is still on only 8 per cent of the desktops, and nearly
> all of those are NOT in business. Steve Jobs has a way to go yet before he
> can re-write the history books. Bill Gates, on the other hand, has retired
> to do charity work: 'Mission Accomplished'

Apple is doing a lot to bring their price point down while
still adding value to their machines (and it really burns my
breadbasket sometimes to see that the Mac mini I purchased just
two years ago is now on sale for less money with one extra USB
port, twice as much memory and a faster processor!).
Still, you can get some pretty nice boxes out there with Windows
7 installed. Dell, for instance, has Core Quad machines in their
consumer desktop lineup (such as the Vostro 420 tower) -
Apple only offers a quad-core in their top-of-the line iMac,
at double the price. Of course, this is like comparing apples
to oranges (excuse the pun!), but despite Apple's "added value"
that many people perceive, Apple still has a ways to go to
really be competitive (if they even intend to be) with their
Windows counterparts.

Jeff

On 5/11/09 6:40 PM, in article C718CCA6.3A59%john@mcghie.name, "John McGhie"
<john RemoveThis @mcghie.name> wrote:

<snip>
>
>> There are a few beautiful little programs I use on Windows
>> that simply don't have their counterparts in Mac OS X.
>> Like SnagIt, for instance.
>
> I've never seen the point of SnagIt, even on Windows. What's wrong with
> Ctrl + Alt + PrntScreen?
>
And on the Mac, Command-Shift-3 for a full-screen shot, Command-Shift-4 and
drag to select the area you want to copy (or move the pointer over a window,
hit the spacebar to automatically select the window, and click the left
mouse button).

Snapz Pro is a wonderful stills/movies selection application that provides
useful options.

Cheers,

Clive

Hello Clive and John,

>> I've never seen the point of SnagIt, even on Windows. What's wrong with
>> Ctrl + Alt + PrntScreen?
>>
> And on the Mac, Command-Shift-3 for a full-screen shot, Command-Shift-4 and
> drag to select the area you want to copy (or move the pointer over a window,
> hit the spacebar to automatically select the window, and click the left
> mouse button).

Ah, but SnagIt allows you to create a capture library,
save in a jillion different formats, add vector and text
objects to your screenshot, crop, add borders, fade and
vignette effects... and if that wasn't enough, you can
also capture... The Cursor.

SnagIt's also got a neat little object capture feature,
where you can capture icons and objects from menus.
You can also capture text data from menus, dialog boxes and
other normally unselectable text.

And! - You can also capture scrolling web pages, saving them
as PDFs with the links intact. It can also do movies.

Haven't checked out Snapz Pro... how does it stack up? :-S

Jeff

On Nov 4, 9:40 pm, John McGhie <j....DeleteThis@mcghie.name> wrote:
> Hi Kali:
>
> On 5/11/09 5:23 AM, in article
> 2d46ba18-a43b-445d-a241-22ddea69b....DeleteThis@u20g2000vbq.googlegroups.com, "kali"
>
> <maya778....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I started a new job recently, it's on a mac..  I have a few questions:
>
> > is normal.dot portable from pc to mac?  I have my own normal.dot,
> > highly customized, that I've been using for years, and porting from
> > home to work, etc..  but until now have always been on a pc..  is it
> > possible to use this normal.dot on the mac?
>
> No, it is not.  At least:  you can "try it" but I think it will make Mac
> Word very unstable, because Mac Word does not implement some of the PC Word
> features you may have customised.
>
> I tried sharing Normal.dot on this machine where I have Word 2000, 2003,
> 2004, 2007, 2008 and 2010.
>
> One tends to live in very uncertain times...
>
> For example, due to a design bug they never fixed, Word 2004 won't recognise
> the Normal template unless you remove the filename extension.  Word 2008
> won't use it unless the extension is there.  Word 2008 will want to strip
> all the macros from Normal.dotm, and won't use it if you don't allow that..
>
> > I also would like to know where you do things like not mark misspelled
> > words
> > (no tools -> options..  no tools -> customize  on the mac...)
>
> Tools>Options is Word>Preferences on the Mac.

thank you.. what I'm also trying to find is how you Customize, for
example instead of doing
Format > Font every time just put a little button on the toolbar that
takes me directly to Font dialog (in my normal.dot for the pc I have
buttons for all this stuff, I never have to go thru menus for
anything);
here, http://word.mvps.org/Mac/CustomizeToolbars.html it says it's
under Tools > Customize, but in mine there is just Tools > Customize
Keyboard, still can't find dialog where you do toolbar customization..

thank you...




>
> Hope this helps
>
>  --
>
> This email is my business email -- Please do not email me about forum
> matters unless you intend to pay!
>
> John McGhie, Microsoft MVP (Word, Mac Word), Consultant Technical Writer,
> McGhie Information Engineering Pty Ltd
> Sydney, Australia. | Ph: +61 (0)4 1209 1410
> +61 4 1209 1410, mailto:j...@mcghie.name

Hello,

On 11/5/09 11:18 PM, in article
e322be28-0eb4-43c7-bfac-8c34af1f4d4c.DeleteThis@u20g2000vbq.googlegroups.com, "kali"
<maya778899.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

> thank you.. what I'm also trying to find is how you Customize, for
> example instead of doing
> Format > Font every time just put a little button on the toolbar that
> takes me directly to Font dialog (in my normal.dot for the pc I have
> buttons for all this stuff, I never have to go thru menus for
> anything);
> here, http://word.mvps.org/Mac/CustomizeToolbars.html it says it's
> under Tools > Customize, but in mine there is just Tools > Customize
> Keyboard, still can't find dialog where you do toolbar customization..

Try doing a right-click or Control+click on a toolbar, and select
Customize Toolbar to begin customizing your toolbar icons
and commands.

Jeff

The instructions you're referring to have not been updated for Word 2008 &
what you're looking for is now in View> Customize Toolbars & Menus. Rather
than cluttering a toolbar with commands of that nature, though, it might be
even more efficient to consider using keyboard shortcuts... For example,
Command+D will take you right where you're looking to go. There's also the
convenience of the Formatting Toolbar as well as the Formatting Palette in
the Toolbox.

However, if you intend to do any serious work in Word it's highly
recommended that you learn to use Styles to do your formatting with rather
than relying on direct formatting to begin with. Using Styles is far more
efficient, far more consistent, far more convenient in a number of ways...
And makes for a much more stable document.

HTH |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 11/5/09 9:18 AM, in article
e322be28-0eb4-43c7-bfac-8c34af1f4d4c DeleteThis @u20g2000vbq.googlegroups.com, "kali"
<maya778899 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

> thank you.. what I'm also trying to find is how you Customize, for
> example instead of doing
> Format > Font every time just put a little button on the toolbar that
> takes me directly to Font dialog (in my normal.dot for the pc I have
> buttons for all this stuff, I never have to go thru menus for
> anything);
> here, http://word.mvps.org/Mac/CustomizeToolbars.html it says it's
> under Tools > Customize, but in mine there is just Tools > Customize
> Keyboard, still can't find dialog where you do toolbar customization..
>
> thank you...

Hey Clive Not picking on you but I had to jump in here somewhere... Am I
the only one on the planet who's aware of the FREE Apple screenshot utility
called Grab included with OS X? It provides significantly more options than
standard OS screenshots although it isn't as versatile as SnagIt.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac



On 11/5/09 3:34 AM, in article
C718D94C.44F0A%REMOVETHISoffice@ANDTHISstrategists.com.au, "Clive Huggan"
<REMOVETHISoffice.RemoveThis@ANDTHISstrategists.com.au> wrote:

> On 5/11/09 6:40 PM, in article C718CCA6.3A59%john@mcghie.name, "John McGhie"
> <john.RemoveThis@mcghie.name> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>>
>>> There are a few beautiful little programs I use on Windows
>>> that simply don't have their counterparts in Mac OS X.
>>> Like SnagIt, for instance.
>>
>> I've never seen the point of SnagIt, even on Windows. What's wrong with
>> Ctrl + Alt + PrntScreen?
>>
> And on the Mac, Command-Shift-3 for a full-screen shot, Command-Shift-4 and
> drag to select the area you want to copy (or move the pointer over a window,
> hit the spacebar to automatically select the window, and click the left
> mouse button).
>
> Snapz Pro is a wonderful stills/movies selection application that provides
> useful options.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Clive
>

Hello Bob,

On 2009.11.06 2:31, in article C718763A.528EF%onlygeneraltaz1@com.cast.net,
"CyberTaz" <onlygeneraltaz1 DeleteThis @com.cast.net> wrote:

> Am I
> the only one on the planet who's aware of the FREE Apple screenshot utility
> called Grab included with OS X? It provides significantly more options than
> standard OS screenshots although it isn't as versatile as SnagIt.

Grab functions can be accessed even without launching the
program fro the most part, right?
I've always had a heckuva time remembering the keyboard
combinations. Control+Shift+Command+ ... wha? ;-P

Jeff