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jonhoyle

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2005 6:40 am
Post subject: Suggestion to Open Source the Metrowerks Pascal Compiler Plug-in
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Hi,

With Metrowerks withdrawing from the Macintosh development arena, they
have kindly considered Open-Sourcing the PowerPlant framework, making
life a little easier for their (soon-to-be former) customers.

While this discussion is open, I figure that this would be the only
time that the following idea could happen, so I would like to make the
following suggestion: Metrowerks, would you Open Source the Pascal
compiler plug-in? I am talking about only their front-end language
compiler; the back-end PPC compiler they will want to keep internal
(which is okay, since creating a back-end x86 compiler for it is what
the Open Source community will want).

Here are some thoughts on this I hope Metrowerks may find persuasive:

1. As with the Open-Sourcing of PowerPlant, Metrowerks offering this
would be a very nice gesture and generate some positive public
relations (which they could certainly use right about now).

2. Pascal has a very small marketshare, and a market which CodeWarrior
does not compete in anymore, so there will be no negative impact on
sales.

3. Where Pascal is still used today is primarily by hobbyists and the
educational community. Users of Metrowerks' Open-Source Pascal
compiler who graduate onto embedded systems development will already be
familiar with Metrowerks and thereby be more inclined to recommend
using CodeWarrior.

4. An opportunity becomes available from the Mac community to build an
x86 back-end compiler for the Mac, allowing Mac/Pascal users to be
up-to-date on creating modern applications.

5. As the Pascal front-end language compiler is processor-agnostic,
developers on a wide range of systems could use this fron-end compiler
for back-ends of and number of environments.

Since MWRon no longer acts as the speaker for the Mac community
(although perhaps he is still reading this?), I thought I'd pass this
along to the newsgroup at large, to see if anyone else feels that this
would be of value. If so, I would like to know what appropriate
individuals left at metrowerks that this suggestion should go to.

Thanks again,

Jonathan Hoyle
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Ron L

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Since: Aug 01, 2005
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:43 pm
Post subject: Re: Suggestion to Open Source the Metrowerks Pascal Compiler Plug-in [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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In article <1124304003.646140.240800.DeleteThis@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"jonhoyle@mac.com" <jonhoyle.DeleteThis@mac.com> wrote:


Hi John,

When Metrowerks first discontinued Pascal they looked at the idea of
open sourcing it but the compiler contained trade secrets and
intellectual property that was shared with all of the compilers and
could not be open sourced.

So we then tried to find a 3rd party that would continue to oversee
Pascal plugins maintain it and provide updates and such. However there
was no competent and reliable business that would undertake this
endeavor.

Sorry,

Ron

>With Metrowerks withdrawing from the Macintosh development arena, they
>have kindly considered Open-Sourcing the PowerPlant framework, making
>life a little easier for their (soon-to-be former) customers.
>
>While this discussion is open, I figure that this would be the only
>time that the following idea could happen, so I would like to make the
>following suggestion: Metrowerks, would you Open Source the Pascal
>compiler plug-in? I am talking about only their front-end language
>compiler; the back-end PPC compiler they will want to keep internal
>(which is okay, since creating a back-end x86 compiler for it is what
>the Open Source community will want).
>
>Here are some thoughts on this I hope Metrowerks may find persuasive:
>
>1. As with the Open-Sourcing of PowerPlant, Metrowerks offering this
>would be a very nice gesture and generate some positive public
>relations (which they could certainly use right about now).
>
>2. Pascal has a very small marketshare, and a market which CodeWarrior
>does not compete in anymore, so there will be no negative impact on
>sales.
>
>3. Where Pascal is still used today is primarily by hobbyists and the
>educational community. Users of Metrowerks' Open-Source Pascal
>compiler who graduate onto embedded systems development will already be
>familiar with Metrowerks and thereby be more inclined to recommend
>using CodeWarrior.
>
>4. An opportunity becomes available from the Mac community to build an
>x86 back-end compiler for the Mac, allowing Mac/Pascal users to be
>up-to-date on creating modern applications.
>
>5. As the Pascal front-end language compiler is processor-agnostic,
>developers on a wide range of systems could use this fron-end compiler
>for back-ends of and number of environments.
>
>Since MWRon no longer acts as the speaker for the Mac community
>(although perhaps he is still reading this?), I thought I'd pass this
>along to the newsgroup at large, to see if anyone else feels that this
>would be of value. If so, I would like to know what appropriate
>individuals left at metrowerks that this suggestion should go to.
>
>Thanks again,
>
>Jonathan Hoyle
>

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Jonathan Hoyle

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 1:02 am
Post subject: Re: Suggestion to Open Source the Metrowerks Pascal Compiler Plug-in [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Hi Ron,

Thanks for the response. That is dissappointing, but understandable.
How about the old, original Pascal (and Modula-2) compiler from the
pre-CodeWarrior days? It's my understanding that they used an entirely
different codebase that the CodeWarrior version. Granted it's much
older and would require more work to modernize, but it would at least
have no impact on your modern products, and could be useful to those
wishing to bring it up to speed.

Thanks,

Jonathan
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Ron L

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 12:34 pm
Post subject: Re: Suggestion to Open Source the Metrowerks Pascal Compiler Plug-in [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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In article <1124888544.754661.280490 DeleteThis @g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Jonathan Hoyle" <jonhoyle DeleteThis @mac.com> wrote:

>Hi Ron,
>
>Thanks for the response. That is dissappointing, but understandable.
>How about the old, original Pascal (and Modula-2) compiler from the
>pre-CodeWarrior days? It's my understanding that they used an entirely
>different codebase that the CodeWarrior version. Granted it's much
>older and would require more work to modernize, but it would at least
>have no impact on your modern products, and could be useful to those
>wishing to bring it up to speed.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jonathan
>

That technology was sold when Metrowerks was reorganized.

Ron

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Lennart Thelander

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 7:08 pm
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Hi.

No Pascal? That's bad news.

Do anyone know an Object Pascal to C++ converter that (really) works?
I tried MPW's p2c, but it crashes for many files and when it doesn't,
the C++ code doesn't compile.

http://developer.apple.com/tools/mpw-tools/mpw_faq.html
(p2c download link near the bottom of the page)

Regards
Lennart Thelander
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Ron L

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:16 am
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In article <1126768111.786817.139900 RemoveThis @f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"Lennart Thelander" <Lennart.Thelander RemoveThis @mactive.se> wrote:

>Hi.
>
>No Pascal? That's bad news.
>
>Do anyone know an Object Pascal to C++ converter that (really) works?
>I tried MPW's p2c, but it crashes for many files and when it doesn't,
>the C++ code doesn't compile.
>
>http://developer.apple.com/tools/mpw-tools/mpw_faq.html
>(p2c download link near the bottom of the page)
>
>Regards
>Lennart Thelander
>

Join the MacPascal mailing list, they have several initiatives that are
keeping Pascal alive on Mac OS.

Ron

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Isaac Raway

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:23 pm
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On 2005-09-15 02:08:31 -0500, "Lennart Thelander"
<Lennart.Thelander.RemoveThis@mactive.se> said:

> No Pascal? That's bad news.
>
> Do anyone know an Object Pascal to C++ converter that (really) works?
> I tried MPW's p2c, but it crashes for many files and when it doesn't,
> the C++ code doesn't compile.

Use FPC?
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