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Since: Jan 25, 2004
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 4:36 am
Post subject: Rescuing data from a dead 6250/100 using a 7200/75
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Okay, Here's an interesing question...
A friend brought me two of his PowerMacintosh's, asking for help
rescuing data.. the machines are as follows:
A PowerMac 6250/100 (all in one) Condition: D.O.A. (won't power up via
either the on/off switch, or the keyboard power key.)
A PowerMac 7200/75 (desktop), Condition: Working fine.
Both have OS 9.1.
Now, the dillema.. The 7200/75, main drive is SCSI. the drive in the 6250
is an ATA-100 (IDE) I have a spare Maxtor PCI ATA-133 (main chip on this card
says Promise Technology PDC20269 ) from a PC installation of a 20-Gig..
Yet, just plugging this card into any of the PCI slots of the 7200,goes
unrecognized.
The 7200 has a 4-gig drive in it, (plenty of free space) and the 6250's drive
is a 1.2-Gig..
All he wants, is transferring the data from a document folder of the 6250, to
the 7200 which has the exact same software (MS-Office, etc.)
I'm familiar with a Macintosh enough to at least get myself out of a jam, but
this one has me stumped.. Is there a way to get the 7200 to recognize the
ATA card, and the drive? Any help you can providewill be greatly appreciated.
(by both of us!)
Thanks, Stephen Griswold |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2004 10:41 am
Post subject: Re: Rescuing data from a dead 6250/100 using a 7200/75 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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In article <66888aff.0401251036.53a7fee1 DeleteThis @posting.google.com>,
gelfling6 DeleteThis @hotmail.com (Stephen Griswold) wrote:
> Okay, Here's an interesing question...
>
> A friend brought me two of his PowerMacintosh's, asking for help
> rescuing data.. the machines are as follows:
>
> A PowerMac 6250/100 (all in one) Condition: D.O.A. (won't power up via
> either the on/off switch, or the keyboard power key.)
>
> A PowerMac 7200/75 (desktop), Condition: Working fine.
>
> Both have OS 9.1.
>
> Now, the dillema.. The 7200/75, main drive is SCSI. the drive in the 6250
> is an ATA-100 (IDE) I have a spare Maxtor PCI ATA-133 (main chip on this card
> says Promise Technology PDC20269 ) from a PC installation of a 20-Gig..
> Yet, just plugging this card into any of the PCI slots of the 7200,goes
> unrecognized.
>
> The 7200 has a 4-gig drive in it, (plenty of free space) and the 6250's drive
> is a 1.2-Gig..
>
> All he wants, is transferring the data from a document folder of the 6250, to
> the 7200 which has the exact same software (MS-Office, etc.)
>
> I'm familiar with a Macintosh enough to at least get myself out of a jam, but
> this one has me stumped.. Is there a way to get the 7200 to recognize the
> ATA card, and the drive? Any help you can providewill be greatly appreciated.
> (by both of us!)
>
> Thanks, Stephen Griswold
Without a Mac compatible ATA card, you're kind of hosed.
Although, if you have a generic USB card laying around and an external
USB case, you could install the card in the 7200 (then install USB
support from the CD) and hook the drive up externally. |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 5:38 am
Post subject: Re: Rescuing data from a dead 6250/100 using a 7200/75 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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gelfling6.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com (Stephen Griswold) wrote in message news:<66888aff.0401251036.53a7fee1.TakeThisOut@posting.google.com>...
> Okay, Here's an interesing question...
>
> A friend brought me two of his PowerMacintosh's, asking for help
> rescuing data.. the machines are as follows:
>
>
> A PowerMac 7200/75 (desktop), Condition: Working fine.
>
This would be rather complicated, but...
You come up with another harddrive and load Linux on this harddrive.
Perhaps Linux would recognize controller card and understand the Mac
file system.
Robert |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 6:42 am
Post subject: Re: Rescuing data from a dead 6250/100 using a 7200/75 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Stephen Griswold <gelfling6.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
> this one has me stumped.. Is there a way to get the 7200 to recognize the
> ATA card, and the drive?
I think the ATA card needs to have MacOS firmware flashed onto it before
your Mac will even *think* of recognising it.
Even so, that's not going to help you.
If the ATA drive is already formatted, then it won't be properly
recognised by the ATA card, which will appear to the 7200's PCI buss as
a SCSI controller, not as an ATA controller ... this means that the
drivers won't be able to talk correctly to the ATA drive. You will be
able to re-format it and then use it, but that's it.
To regain the data, you will need to find *another* Mac with a built-in
ATA controller (such as a blue and white G3 minitower, G4 or another
older Performa with onboard IDE) and use that.
Geoffrey
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 7:07 am
Post subject: Re: Rescuing data from a dead 6250/100 using a 7200/75 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Stephen Griswold wrote:
> Okay, Here's an interesing question...
>
> A friend brought me two of his PowerMacintosh's, asking for help
> rescuing data.. the machines are as follows:
>
> A PowerMac 6250/100 (all in one) Condition: D.O.A. (won't power up via
> either the on/off switch, or the keyboard power key.)
>
> A PowerMac 7200/75 (desktop), Condition: Working fine.
>
> Both have OS 9.1.
>
> Now, the dillema.. The 7200/75, main drive is SCSI. the drive in the 6250
> is an ATA-100 (IDE) I have a spare Maxtor PCI ATA-133 (main chip on this card
> says Promise Technology PDC20269 ) from a PC installation of a 20-Gig..
> Yet, just plugging this card into any of the PCI slots of the 7200,goes
> unrecognized.
>
> The 7200 has a 4-gig drive in it, (plenty of free space) and the 6250's drive
> is a 1.2-Gig..
>
> All he wants, is transferring the data from a document folder of the 6250, to
> the 7200 which has the exact same software (MS-Office, etc.)
>
> I'm familiar with a Macintosh enough to at least get myself out of a jam, but
> this one has me stumped.. Is there a way to get the 7200 to recognize the
> ATA card, and the drive? Any help you can providewill be greatly appreciated.
> (by both of us!)
>
> Thanks, Stephen Griswold
Another response suggested the problem with the 6250 may be a dead PRAM
battery.
Does the 6250 do anything at all when you try to power it up? Make
noises, etc, and then just not start up, or does it act completely dead?
If it makes noises etc then the dead PRAM battery may be the problem.
The PRAM battery can be replaced.
If it does not do anything at all, is it possible the power cord is bad?
You could try another power cord and see what happens.
Bill |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2004 8:43 pm
Post subject: Re: Rescuing data from a dead 6250/100 using a 7200/75 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Harry Dodsworth <af877.DeleteThis@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
> Is it possible that the D. O. A. condition of the 6250 is caused
> by a dead battery?
Yes, that's one that is affected, as far as I know.
Geoffrey
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 9:02 am
Post subject: Re: Rescuing data from a dead 6250/100 using a 7200/75 [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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B Collins <bbcollins RemoveThis @invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:<40151082.3080304 RemoveThis @invalid.invalid>...
> Another response suggested the problem with the 6250 may be a dead PRAM
> battery.
> Does the 6250 do anything at all when you try to power it up? Make
> noises, etc, and then just not start up, or does it act completely dead?
> If it makes noises etc then the dead PRAM battery may be the problem.
> The PRAM battery can be replaced.
> If it does not do anything at all, is it possible the power cord is bad?
> You could try another power cord and see what happens.
> Bill
Thanks Bill.. So-far, No, brand new battery (and EXPENSIVE! $17.00 US
for these Alkaline 'Cubes'. ) still no action.. (and yes, I did check the
power supply for a fuse..) not even a whimper, or flash from the power
LED.. totally dead to the world. (Almost like you'd expect the machine
to act after a lightning strike, but there hasn't been a storm in months,
except the intact (checked with a VOM) fuse, would be well vaporized if it had.)
Totally baffled! Someone mentioned a need for a Mac Compliant (known in
the ROM) ATA card.. *sigh* Guess it's time for a stroll off to the closest
Apple dealer. (choices.. 1 small shop, or CompUSA.)
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2004 9:05 am
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rccharles.TakeThisOut@my-deja.com (Robert) wrote in message news:<c6bb75ff.0401261138.1c75fc2c.TakeThisOut@posting.google.com>...
> This would be rather complicated, but...
> You come up with another harddrive and load Linux on this harddrive.
> Perhaps Linux would recognize controller card and understand the Mac
> file system.
Linux, I have (Red Hat 9).. Problem.. It does not understand the
extended filesystem of OS-9.. I have seen elsewhere, about even
OS-X needing a driver, to be able to access OS-9 partitions...
Not complicated.. Just so-far, not usable..
Stephen |
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