I smell some Linux idiots...

After takin' a swig o' grog, WCJ belched out this bit o' wisdom:

> Not really. We just speak the truth: Linux is vastly superior to 'doze
> in every possible way. If you think that's an exaggeration, so be it.

It is an exaggeration, WCJ.

Many people get along just fine with Windows, and do good things with
it. In fact, I think that writing one's code to work on both Window and
Linux is salutory.

That being said, I find Linux much more fun for what I do, and I do
think it does some things better (e.g. networking).

> You're certainly entitled to your opinion--no matter how woefully
> misguided it may be.

Well, in DFS's defense, there is a certain amount of bullshit spoken
here, and his annoying persona attracts gratuitous insults that surely
get on his nerves now and then.

--
Refactor Windows.

Linonut wrote:

>Well, in DFS's defense, there is a certain amount of bullshit spoken
>here, and his annoying persona attracts gratuitous insults that surely
>get on his nerves now and then.

Argument rejected. There is no defense for a worthless POS like the
DumbFsckingShit.

As for his "nerves", he should drop dead and those will cease to be a
problem for him. Indeed, the world would then be a better place.

Linonut <linonut.TakeThisOut@bellsouth.net> writes:

> After takin' a swig o' grog, WCJ belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Not really. We just speak the truth: Linux is vastly superior to 'doze
>> in every possible way. If you think that's an exaggeration, so be it.
>
> It is an exaggeration, WCJ.
>
> Many people get along just fine with Windows, and do good things with
> it. In fact, I think that writing one's code to work on both Window and
> Linux is salutory.

Ye gods! The original Linonut has been returned :-;

>
> That being said, I find Linux much more fun for what I do, and I do
> think it does some things better (e.g. networking).
>
>> You're certainly entitled to your opinion--no matter how woefully
>> misguided it may be.
>
> Well, in DFS's defense, there is a certain amount of bullshit spoken

LOL. "certain" is the euphemism of the day.

> here, and his annoying persona attracts gratuitous insults that surely
> get on his nerves now and then.

--
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-- MaDsen Wikholm, mwikholm.TakeThisOut@at8.abo.fi

After takin' a swig o' grog, Hadron Quark belched out this bit o' wisdom:

> Linonut <linonut.DeleteThis@bellsouth.net> writes:
>
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, WCJ belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> Not really. We just speak the truth: Linux is vastly superior to 'doze
>>> in every possible way. If you think that's an exaggeration, so be it.
>>
>> It is an exaggeration, WCJ.
>>
>> Many people get along just fine with Windows, and do good things with
>> it. In fact, I think that writing one's code to work on both Window and
>> Linux is salutory.
>
> Ye gods! The original Linonut has been returned :-;

Well, I try to keep some perspective. Sometimes, though, Windows just
gets into my shorts and irritates the hell out of me <grin>.

>> Well, in DFS's defense, there is a certain amount of bullshit spoken
>
> LOL. "certain" is the euphemism of the day.

Okay, a lot of bullshit. Probably more from the win-dozers, though.

> Linux, the way to get rid of boot viruses
> -- MaDsen Wikholm, mwikholm.DeleteThis@at8.abo.fi

Just made me a boot USB key for GParted today.

--
Microsoft -- The big brother to Big Brother

After takin' a swig o' grog, chrisv belched out this bit o' wisdom:

> Linonut wrote:
>
>>Well, in DFS's defense, there is a certain amount of bullshit spoken
>>here, and his annoying persona attracts gratuitous insults that surely
>>get on his nerves now and then.
>
> Argument rejected. There is no defense for a worthless POS like the
> DumbFsckingShit.

Now now!

> As for his "nerves", he should drop dead and those will cease to be a
> problem for him. Indeed, the world would then be a better place.

I dunno, for some reason I find him easier to take than Timmy.

--
The dark ages were caused by the Y1K problem.

Linonut wrote:
> After takin' a swig o' grog, WCJ belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Not really. We just speak the truth: Linux is vastly superior to
>> 'doze in every possible way. If you think that's an exaggeration,
>> so be it.
>
> It is an exaggeration, WCJ.

You get a gold star!

Also, I would never say Windows is superior to Linux in every possible way,
'cause it's just not true. I would say it's mostly superior in most of the
ways that matter the most to the most number of people (heh!)


> Many people get along just fine with Windows, and do good things with
> it.

Most people get along just fine with Windows, and many do great things with
it. All large corporations run their mgmt, administrative and decision
making operations on Windows and Office, ie Excel was used to determine the
retail price of your new hard drive.



> In fact, I think that writing one's code to work on both Window
> and Linux is salutory.

If not a bit gory.



> That being said, I find Linux much more fun for what I do, and I do
> think it does some things better (e.g. networking).

What exactly is it you do with Linux?



>> You're certainly entitled to your opinion--no matter how woefully
>> misguided it may be.
>
> Well, in DFS's defense, there is a certain amount of bullshit spoken
> here,

Rex Ballard stands alone atop the heap of pure cola liars and bullshitters,
though flyer and 7 spew some seriously deluded nonsense as well.



> and his annoying persona attracts gratuitous insults that surely
> get on his nerves now and then.

How can anyone be insulted by a Usenet persona, let alone one as strange as
some of these cola wackjobs?

On Wed, 09 May 2007 02:03:06 -0500, DFS wrote:

>
> Linux 'legendary' stability is impressive - except it's not true. Maybe you
> don't have to reboot the entire system very often, but the apps and window
> managers crash or lock up very frequently, in my limited experience.

Yes, your experience is extremely limited. And it shows. You complain that
Linux advocates are always having trouble with Windows - yet all your
Linux installs always seem to go wrong, you have problems all the time the
majority of regular Linux users don't have. So what does that tell you?

>
>
>
>>> Unfortunately, the majority of Linux "advocates" and users greatly
>>> exaggerate everything they say about Windows and Linux.
>>
>> Not really. We just speak the truth: Linux is vastly superior to
>> 'doze in every possible way. If you think that's an exaggeration, so
>> be it.
>
> I don't think that's an exaggeration; I know it's just another silly lie.

Except that you don't know squat about Linux.

> That's OK - I'm sympathetic to the plight of Linux users (big mounds of
> (cr)apps to drive you mad), and I understand your optimism now that Dell is
> selling Ubuntu (Linux for subhumans), and I understand your hopelessness in
> the face of MS\Windows (in 4 months Vista has more desktop users than Linux
> gained in 10 years).

You really are trash, aren't you? That entire paragraph is so full of your
bile, it's a wonder you don't choke on it. 'Linux for subhumans' - you
disgusting bigot.

>
> It's a Windows, Windows, Windows, Windows world!

Not for everyone. And you're still here in a Linux group. Why is that, I
wonder? Because your wonderful Windows world is not as wonderful as you
claim.

--
Kier

Kier wrote:
> On Wed, 09 May 2007 02:03:06 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>>
>> Linux 'legendary' stability is impressive - except it's not true.
>> Maybe you don't have to reboot the entire system very often, but the
>> apps and window managers crash or lock up very frequently, in my
>> limited experience.
>
> Yes, your experience is extremely limited. And it shows. You complain
> that Linux advocates are always having trouble with Windows - yet all
> your Linux installs always seem to go wrong, you have problems all
> the time the majority of regular Linux users don't have. So what does
> that tell you?

It tells me you cola "advocates" don't have the balls to post all your
bullshit Linux problems.



>>>> Unfortunately, the majority of Linux "advocates" and users greatly
>>>> exaggerate everything they say about Windows and Linux.
>>>
>>> Not really. We just speak the truth: Linux is vastly superior to
>>> 'doze in every possible way. If you think that's an exaggeration,
>>> so be it.
>>
>> I don't think that's an exaggeration; I know it's just another silly
>> lie.
>
> Except that you don't know squat about Linux.

More than you.



>> That's OK - I'm sympathetic to the plight of Linux users (big mounds
>> of (cr)apps to drive you mad), and I understand your optimism now
>> that Dell is selling Ubuntu (Linux for subhumans), and I understand
>> your hopelessness in the face of MS\Windows (in 4 months Vista has
>> more desktop users than Linux gained in 10 years).
>
> You really are trash, aren't you? That entire paragraph is so full of
> your bile, it's a wonder you don't choke on it. 'Linux for subhumans'
> - you disgusting bigot.

Relax, Miss Word Policewoman. It was just a pun. Nothing racist or
bigoted - except against Linux users.



>> It's a Windows, Windows, Windows, Windows world!
>
> Not for everyone. And you're still here in a Linux group. Why is
> that, I wonder?

You know why I'm here - it's a good place to brawl.



> Because your wonderful Windows world is not as
> wonderful as you claim.

It is, actually. I admit I get tired of paying MS and using mostly MS and
Windows programs for 15 years, but they're definitely the best.

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, DFS
<nospam.TakeThisOut@dfs_.com>
wrote
on Wed, 9 May 2007 09:31:53 -0500
<23k0i.21567$Pq5.10382@bignews6.bellsouth.net>:
> Kier wrote:
>> On Wed, 09 May 2007 02:03:06 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Linux 'legendary' stability is impressive - except it's not true.
>>> Maybe you don't have to reboot the entire system very often, but the
>>> apps and window managers crash or lock up very frequently, in my
>>> limited experience.
>>
>> Yes, your experience is extremely limited. And it shows. You complain
>> that Linux advocates are always having trouble with Windows - yet all
>> your Linux installs always seem to go wrong, you have problems all
>> the time the majority of regular Linux users don't have. So what does
>> that tell you?
>
> It tells me you cola "advocates" don't have the balls to post all your
> bullshit Linux problems.
>

There are a number of issues outstanding on Linux. Read,
for instance, the buglists on Fedora, SuSE, Gentoo,
and Mandriva.

Gentoo in particular has 110 new bugs filed in just the
last 24 hours. A few of these are new package versions.
Many of them are true bugs (at least at first glance;
I'm just browsing the reports here) such as "twx2 built
failure, no javadoc", "dev-java/relaxngcc-1.12 ebuild
fails", and "openoffice-2.2.0 requires >= nspr-4.6.6".
A fair number of them are already resolved, as well, either
as duplicates of existing bugs, or as actually fixed.

So yes, there are Linux bugs -- far more than Vista bugs,
I'd reckon, mostly because Gentoo has far more packages
than a base Vista install, and a lot more QA people
(namely, every user).

Of course severity's the thing.

But both Linux and Windows have a problem; there's a
fair amount of hardware out there, and they interact on
a user's system. If there are 10 types of video cards,
10 types of audio cards, 10 types of microprocessor (all
with subtly different but largely compatible instruction
sets), 10 types of hard drive -- that's 10,000 combinations
right there, and I'm understating the problem considerably.
How is a quality assurance department going to test all
of these combinations? (Answer: as best they can, with
the limited resources they have.)

In any event, Linux is not very stable. I say that in
the sense that there's a kernel upgrade every few days,
not in the sense regarding uptimes -- which depend on a
variety of factors, not the least of which is whether one
switches one's system off at night. Fortunately, kernels
don't need to be upgraded daily.

So add to that mix 10 kernel versions -- over the course of
a couple of years -- and now one has 100,000 combinations.

Is there a problem here? Certainly. If you're
uncomfortable with it, go back to Windows; it's more stable
in the updates sense. Maybe too stable, considering its
historical vulnerabilities. I don't see the UAC bandaid
doing a heck of a lot regarding same; it'll probably be
more effective at annoying people than deflecting malware.


>
>
>>>>> Unfortunately, the majority of Linux "advocates" and users greatly
>>>>> exaggerate everything they say about Windows and Linux.
>>>>
>>>> Not really. We just speak the truth: Linux is vastly superior to
>>>> 'doze in every possible way. If you think that's an exaggeration,
>>>> so be it.
>>>
>>> I don't think that's an exaggeration; I know it's just another silly
>>> lie.
>>
>> Except that you don't know squat about Linux.
>
> More than you.

OK...a quizzie.

[1] what files does Linux look for upon startup?
[2] Can these files be specified somewhere?
If so, where?
[3] How and where does Linux determine its boot filesystem?
[4] How and where does Linux determine its root filesystem?
[5] What formats can Linux support? (This is a trick question,
so be careful answering it.)
[6] Does Linux have video drivers? If so, where?
[7] Does Linux have audio drivers? If so, where?
[8] What devices and files does Linux absolutely need to boot?

>
>
>
>>> That's OK - I'm sympathetic to the plight of Linux users (big mounds
>>> of (cr)apps to drive you mad), and I understand your optimism now
>>> that Dell is selling Ubuntu (Linux for subhumans), and I understand
>>> your hopelessness in the face of MS\Windows (in 4 months Vista has
>>> more desktop users than Linux gained in 10 years).
>>
>> You really are trash, aren't you? That entire paragraph is so full of
>> your bile, it's a wonder you don't choke on it. 'Linux for subhumans'
>> - you disgusting bigot.
>
> Relax, Miss Word Policewoman. It was just a pun. Nothing racist or
> bigoted - except against Linux users.
>

Ah, of course. We're subhumans, separate but equal,
and 3/5ths worth of the Windows population (if that).
We should be enslaved, downtrodden, subverted. After
all, the Windows ruling class knows best.

>
>
>>> It's a Windows, Windows, Windows, Windows world!
>>
>> Not for everyone. And you're still here in a Linux group. Why is
>> that, I wonder?
>
> You know why I'm here - it's a good place to brawl.
>
>
>
>> Because your wonderful Windows world is not as
>> wonderful as you claim.
>
> It is, actually. I admit I get tired of paying MS and using mostly MS and
> Windows programs for 15 years, but they're definitely the best.
>

So pay them already. One pays for quality.

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try our new color changing variant?

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After takin' a swig o' grog, DFS belched out this bit o' wisdom:

> Linux 'legendary' stability is impressive - except it's not true. Maybe you
> don't have to reboot the entire system very often, but the apps and window
> managers crash or lock up very frequently, in my limited experience.

I've found X and Firefox give me the most problems, but, for my systems,
even these problems are pretty rare.

The GNU software? Just about bulletproof.

> It's a Windows, Windows, Windows, Windows world!

You're stark staring mad! <grin>

--
Microslave: You aren't going anywhere today!

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Linonut
<linonut RemoveThis @bellsouth.net>
wrote
on Wed, 09 May 2007 11:38:11 GMT
<Doi0i.25964$XU4.10472@bignews8.bellsouth.net>:
> After takin' a swig o' grog, DFS belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Linux 'legendary' stability is impressive - except it's not true. Maybe you
>> don't have to reboot the entire system very often, but the apps and window
>> managers crash or lock up very frequently, in my limited experience.
>
> I've found X and Firefox give me the most problems, but, for my systems,
> even these problems are pretty rare.
>
> The GNU software? Just about bulletproof.

Unless one's got hardware problems, of course -- which is
what I suspect might be happening in DFS's case.

Serious suggestion to DFS: compile a kernel. You don't
have to install it; just compile it. The following
might prove instructive.

(download kernel from kernels.org)

(fire up terminal emulator)

$ cd /scratch/directory/someplace
$ tar xjf /downloaded/kernel/linux-x.y.z.tbz
$ cd linux-x.y.z
$ make

It's a good test for the base hardware, though it won't
do much for audio and video. (The current version for
x.y.z is 2.6.21.1, though I'd have to look, and it doesn't
matter too much though the ancient kernels may have build
problems with modern compilers, or vice versa. So don't
try building ancient fossils like 1.2.6, please. )

Apparently GCC's FAQ has since been rewritten, but at
one point it had an entry suggesting that frequent and/or
random SEGVs during kernel builds indicated a problem with
one's power supply and/or hardware.

One can also use more specialized methods; memtest86 in
particular can be run from GRUB. Turns out a stick I
bought had a problem, for example; that's how I found it.
(Sigh.)

There was a study at one point -- I'd have to find
it -- suggesting that various pieces of software,
intended to parse config/data/etc. files, when fed data
from /dev/random or /dev/urandom, would fail in mildly
interesting ways; GNU software tended not to topple over
and actually crash quite so often, but would instead
issue diagnostics indicating parse errors.

Google coughed up

http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/j-fuzztest.html

IBM apparently has attached a buzzword ("fuzz testing")
to this very simple technique. No doubt the black hats do
this sort of thing all the time; if they see an interesting
GPF, they pursue it further until they can find an exploit,
or determine it's not all that useful for their nefarious
purposes.

>
>> It's a Windows, Windows, Windows, Windows world!
>
> You're stark staring mad! <grin>
>

Maybe not as mad as we'd both like. Windows is estimated
to be on over 90% of the desktops, although Firefox is
making inroads thereon, and Linux (along with compatriots
such as FreeBSD, FreeDOS, and others) may follow if
Microsoft keeps shooting themselves in the foot; they've
been very good at that lately.

Also, I suspect a fair number of desktops are dual-boot,
with Linux waiting in the wings. (In my case, the reverse
is true; XP is waiting in the wings.)

[*] the traditional location for kernels one wants to
*install* is in /usr/src/linux; however, one can put
the kernel source just about anywhere -- it's just a
compressed tarball, after all. It will want to create
a linux-x.y.z subdirectory, though.

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After takin' a swig o' grog, Hadron Quark belched out this bit o' wisdom:

> Linonut <linonut.DeleteThis@bellsouth.net> writes:
>
>> I dunno, for some reason I find him easier to take than Timmy.
>
> Because Tim's cold dispassionate 100% correct posts piss your off? What?

Tim's only about 75% correct (still a better record than many people
around here).

The problem with Tim is he becomes extremely patronizing, often
venturing into insult, implying that someone is stupid or sloppy.
Not a good way to win friends and influence people.

One person I know in real life who is similar has the nickname
"Sphincter Boy".

--
Real programmers don't use Pascal.

On Tue, 08 May 2007 11:57:54 +0000, Linonut wrote:

> Well, in DFS's defense, there is a certain amount of bullshit spoken
> here, and his annoying persona attracts gratuitous insults that surely
> get on his nerves now and then.

Tough. He can always leave & go back where he came from, spouting his
racist drivel etc. I'm surprised anyone still puts up with the twat.