I smell some Linux idiots...

After takin' a swig o' grog, Hadron Quark belched out this bit o' wisdom:

> Linonut <linonut DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> writes:
>
>> That's because Timmy's game is to goad people, so they can overreact,
>> and he can come back and play Spock on 'em.
>
> You're jumping at shadows old son. You need to take a break.

Apparently not. Many others have him binned, too.

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On 2007-05-09, Linonut <linonut.RemoveThis@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> and he can come back and play Spock on 'em.

Dr. or Mr.?

Linonut <linonut.TakeThisOut@bellsouth.net> writes:

> After takin' a swig o' grog, Hadron Quark belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Linonut <linonut.TakeThisOut@bellsouth.net> writes:
>>
>>> After takin' a swig o' grog, DFS belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>>>
>>>> Linux 'legendary' stability is impressive - except it's not true. Maybe you
>>>> don't have to reboot the entire system very often, but the apps and window
>>>> managers crash or lock up very frequently, in my limited experience.
>>>
>>> I've found X and Firefox give me the most problems, but, for my systems,
>>> even these problems are pretty rare.
>>
>> X going wrong is a pretty fundamental problem....
>
> Not when it is a rare event. I do think that video drivers can be a
> real issue with X.
>
>> Even with the fixes recommended (different launchers with
>> specific profiles) it still sometimes refuses to start up.
>
> Odd. I'm able to use both old and new versions (the old one works better
> with our friggin' web time-sheet software) at the same time.

But you dont have a tv and monitor set up as separate x-screens with the
latest nvidia drivers .... or do you? With the TV to the *left* of your
primary development screen .....

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After takin' a swig o' grog, Hadron Quark belched out this bit o' wisdom:

>> Odd. I'm able to use both old and new versions (the old one works better
>> with our friggin' web time-sheet software) at the same time.
>
> But you dont have a tv and monitor set up as separate x-screens with the
> latest nvidia drivers .... or do you? With the TV to the *left* of your
> primary development screen .....

No, I'm using NVidia with TwinView, so I have two screens, but they're
on the same X display (:0).

However, I thought that the issue with Firefox profiles was that two
instances of firefox couldn't use the same profile (no matter what the
screen/display layout.)

Wish I could be helpful here.

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On Wed, 09 May 2007 09:31:53 -0500, DFS wrote:

> Kier wrote:
>> On Wed, 09 May 2007 02:03:06 -0500, DFS wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Linux 'legendary' stability is impressive - except it's not true.
>>> Maybe you don't have to reboot the entire system very often, but the
>>> apps and window managers crash or lock up very frequently, in my
>>> limited experience.
>>
>> Yes, your experience is extremely limited. And it shows. You complain
>> that Linux advocates are always having trouble with Windows - yet all
>> your Linux installs always seem to go wrong, you have problems all
>> the time the majority of regular Linux users don't have. So what does
>> that tell you?
>
> It tells me you cola "advocates" don't have the balls to post all your
> bullshit Linux problems.

This isn't a tech group. And *all* OSen have things that go wrong. But
when Lincu goes wrong, it picks itself up a lot easier. ABout the only
problem I've had lately is Banshee refusing to eject my CD when asked
after I've ripped it. And it only does that about half the time.

>
>
>
>>>>> Unfortunately, the majority of Linux "advocates" and users greatly
>>>>> exaggerate everything they say about Windows and Linux.
>>>>
>>>> Not really. We just speak the truth: Linux is vastly superior to
>>>> 'doze in every possible way. If you think that's an exaggeration,
>>>> so be it.
>>>
>>> I don't think that's an exaggeration; I know it's just another silly
>>> lie.
>>
>> Except that you don't know squat about Linux.
>
> More than you.

Now *that's* funny. I really *use* Linux, every day. I don't just install
it to pick holes and slag it off.

>
>
>
>>> That's OK - I'm sympathetic to the plight of Linux users (big mounds
>>> of (cr)apps to drive you mad), and I understand your optimism now
>>> that Dell is selling Ubuntu (Linux for subhumans), and I understand
>>> your hopelessness in the face of MS\Windows (in 4 months Vista has
>>> more desktop users than Linux gained in 10 years).
>>
>> You really are trash, aren't you? That entire paragraph is so full of
>> your bile, it's a wonder you don't choke on it. 'Linux for subhumans'
>> - you disgusting bigot.
>
> Relax, Miss Word Policewoman. It was just a pun. Nothing racist or
> bigoted - except against Linux users.

Bigotry of any kind is disgusting, particularly when put in those kinds of
terms. Leave it at home. Learn more respect for Humanity.

>
>
>
>>> It's a Windows, Windows, Windows, Windows world!
>>
>> Not for everyone. And you're still here in a Linux group. Why is
>> that, I wonder?
>
> You know why I'm here - it's a good place to brawl.

That I somewhat agree with. Doesn't seem much of a reason, all the same.

>
>
>
>> Because your wonderful Windows world is not as
>> wonderful as you claim.
>
> It is, actually. I admit I get tired of paying MS and using mostly MS and
> Windows programs for 15 years, but they're definitely the best.

For you, maybe they are. But if you gave Linux a genuine chance, you might
get more out of it. If you look for problems you will always find them.
But Windows in full of problems, too.

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Kier wrote:
> On Wed, 09 May 2007 09:31:53 -0500, DFS wrote:

>> It tells me you cola "advocates" don't have the balls to post all
>> your bullshit Linux problems.
>
> This isn't a tech group. And *all* OSen have things that go wrong. But
> when Lincu goes wrong, it picks itself up a lot easier. ABout the only
> problem I've had lately is Banshee refusing to eject my CD when asked
> after I've ripped it.

That's not so worrisome...

> And it only does that about half the time.

.... but that is.



>>>>>> Unfortunately, the majority of Linux "advocates" and users
>>>>>> greatly exaggerate everything they say about Windows and Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not really. We just speak the truth: Linux is vastly superior to
>>>>> 'doze in every possible way. If you think that's an exaggeration,
>>>>> so be it.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think that's an exaggeration; I know it's just another
>>>> silly lie.
>>>
>>> Except that you don't know squat about Linux.
>>
>> More than you.
>
> Now *that's* funny. I really *use* Linux, every day. I don't just
> install it to pick holes and slag it off.

It may be funny but it's also true.




>>>> That's OK - I'm sympathetic to the plight of Linux users (big
>>>> mounds of (cr)apps to drive you mad), and I understand your
>>>> optimism now that Dell is selling Ubuntu (Linux for subhumans),
>>>> and I understand your hopelessness in the face of MS\Windows (in 4
>>>> months Vista has more desktop users than Linux gained in 10 years).
>>>
>>> You really are trash, aren't you? That entire paragraph is so full
>>> of your bile, it's a wonder you don't choke on it. 'Linux for
>>> subhumans' - you disgusting bigot.
>>
>> Relax, Miss Word Policewoman. It was just a pun. Nothing racist or
>> bigoted - except against Linux users.
>
> Bigotry of any kind is disgusting, particularly when put in those
> kinds of terms. Leave it at home.

When are you going to learn your net-nannyism doesn't work?




> Learn more respect for Humanity.

Sorry, but I'm very cynical: humanity doesn't deserve respect.



>>>> It's a Windows, Windows, Windows, Windows world!
>>>
>>> Not for everyone. And you're still here in a Linux group. Why is
>>> that, I wonder?
>>
>> You know why I'm here - it's a good place to brawl.
>
> That I somewhat agree with. Doesn't seem much of a reason, all the
> same.

Do you know how boring it is to read a newsgroup where everyone agrees?



>>> Because your wonderful Windows world is not as
>>> wonderful as you claim.
>>
>> It is, actually. I admit I get tired of paying MS and using mostly
>> MS and Windows programs for 15 years, but they're definitely the
>> best.
>
> For you, maybe they are. But if you gave Linux a genuine chance, you
> might get more out of it.

I've spent some solid time using Linux over the last 3 years. It can be
very interesting and rewarding, in and of itself. Long as you don't launch
OpenOffice and put yourself in a bad mood.




> If you look for problems you will always
> find them. But Windows in full of problems, too.

Launch Firefox on your Linux system and hold down your Ctrl key (either one)
and scroll your mouse wheel up or down. Here on Windows the screen/app
resolution scales up or down. Works in most or all MS Office apps too. I
just discovered this the other day (after I saw someone else doing it).

[snips]

On Sun, 06 May 2007 00:56:03 +0000, thad01 wrote:

> DFS <nospam.RemoveThis@dfs_.com> wrote:

>> You let me know when OpenOffice Calc will handle this useful Excel VB
>> functionality that lets me add custom colors to a sheet.

[VB elided]

> The Scripting Framework allows OpenOffice.org users to write and
> run macros in multiple languages including OpenOffice.org Basic,
> Python, Java, BeanShell and JavaScript. These macros can then be
> assigned to menus, toolbars, keyboard shortcuts, events and
> embedded objects.
>
> If you are bringing over VB scripts, then OO Basic is probably the
> easiest conversion, but I personally would probably pick something
> like Java or JavaScript for anything written from scratch.

Indeed. This has a really significant advantage: it works on any platform
which has both OOo and the relevant language, which is to say, pretty much
any platform the OP is liable to use for such jobs.

Where the OP is tied to a particular OS, language and tool because of poor
decisions on the front end, he need not be so limited in future projects,
nor is he prevented from converting existing projects, apart from issues
of cost and/or time.

This is the real beauty of open[1]; once you adopt it, you are not beholden
to any given application, company, tool or technology again.


[1] Generic here for open source, open standards, open formats, etc.

Linonut wrote:

> Microsoft has word-reinvention patented.
>
> For example, the word "cross-platform" has a most peculiar meaning for
> Microsoft. It means a product runs on
>
> Windows 98
> Windows ME
> Windows 2000
> Windows XP
> Windows Media Center
> Windows Vista

I'm sure you have evidence of this claim?

After takin' a swig o' grog, AB belched out this bit o' wisdom:

> On 2007-05-10, Linonut <linonut.TakeThisOut@bellsouth.net> claimed:
>
> Alright. I can't "reinvent" words. Erik evidently can because of some
> sort of relationship he seems to have that allows him to know things
> others don't.
>
> Instead, maybe I can reinterpret, redefine, alter-define, alter-
> interpret or alter-name some words. Are any of those patented by MS?

Not sure. Microsoft may have purchased a license for the above and some
other concepts from the real innovators in the industry. Here's a list
of some techniques:

astroturfing
stovepiping (I think the CIA may own that one)
shilling
F.U.D. (I think IBM owns that one)
spin (a Wshington product)
lying (as old as prostitution)

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After takin' a swig o' grog, DFS belched out this bit o' wisdom:

> Linonut wrote:
>
>> Microsoft has word-reinvention patented.
>>
>> For example, the word "cross-platform" has a most peculiar meaning for
>> Microsoft. It means a product runs on
>>
>> Windows 98
>> Windows ME
>> Windows 2000
>> Windows XP
>> Windows Media Center
>> Windows Vista
>
> I'm sure you have evidence of this claim?

Not right at hand, though I'm sure a Google will recover some of
the ads and press releases I've seen from those poltroons.

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0 and 1. Now what could be so hard about that?

Verily I say unto thee, that The Ghost In The Machine spake thusly:

> Heh. I thought "cross-platform" had to do with multiple
> processor types:
>
> Pentium II
> Pentium III
> Pentium IV
> Celeron
> Xeon
> ...
>
>

Erm ... that's "architecture" shirley.

Cross platform is what you do to catch a train.

> (Stop that. My brain's beginning to hurt.)

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In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [H]omer
<spam.RemoveThis@uce.gov>
wrote
on Sat, 12 May 2007 10:12:10 +0100
<b0dgh4-ugb.ln1.RemoveThis@sky.matrix>:
> Verily I say unto thee, that The Ghost In The Machine spake thusly:
>
>> Heh. I thought "cross-platform" had to do with multiple
>> processor types:
>>
>> Pentium II
>> Pentium III
>> Pentium IV
>> Celeron
>> Xeon
>> ...
>>
>>
>
> Erm ... that's "architecture" shirley.

If that's architecture, then they must have an awful lot
of adobe mud huts in the Seattle campus.

>
> Cross platform is what you do to catch a train.

Hmm...well, there is that little streetcar in downtown Seattle.
Does that count?

>
>> (Stop that. My brain's beginning to hurt.)
>


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