Vista sales continue to surge!

"Nedd Ludd" <1313.RemoveThis@mockingbird.ln> wrote in message
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> Mark Kent wrote:
>> The Ghost In The Machine <ewill.RemoveThis@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> espoused:
>>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Nedd Ludd
>>> <1313.RemoveThis@Mockingbird.ln>
>>> wrote
>>> on Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:19:01 -0400
>>> <t5mdnYkz67Z6hDzbnZ2dnUVZ_uuqnZ2d.RemoveThis@comcast.com>:
>>>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>> That's it. I'm filtering all posts from Outlook Express.
>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>>>> FWIW, Microsoft changed the way it reports earning, so it's comparing
>>>>> apples
>>>>> (last year) with oranges (this year). Nice play, but it only fools the
>
> <snip>
>
>>>> Please notify the SEC if you feel that MSFT improperly made changes the
>>>> changes to their accounting practices. If you are not willing to stand
>>>> by your accusations with a formal report to the SEC then we'll assume
>>>> you're a liar.
>
> <snip>
>
>>> As for Microsoft accounting changes -- again, I have
>>> no data.
>>
>> This is well documented. By re-organising on a fairly regular basis,
>
> Please share with us a link showing MSFT is doing something wrong.
>


There's nothing WRONG with changing Accounting practices as long as what you
do is in accordance with the law. However, if that change means that last
years figures aren't comparable, and there is no way to make last year's
figures comparable, then it would make me a tad suspicious about WHY there
was a need to change in the first place - moving goal posts and all
that..... and I'm a retired Management Accountant....

"Gordon" <gbplinux.RemoveThis@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Nedd Ludd" <1313.RemoveThis@mockingbird.ln> wrote in message
> news:iqGdnbEejId3Dz_bnZ2dnUVZ_oOnnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Mark Kent wrote:
>>> The Ghost In The Machine <ewill.RemoveThis@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> espoused:
>>>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Nedd Ludd
>>>> <1313.RemoveThis@Mockingbird.ln>
>>>> wrote
>>>> on Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:19:01 -0400
>>>> <t5mdnYkz67Z6hDzbnZ2dnUVZ_uuqnZ2d.RemoveThis@comcast.com>:
>>>>> Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>>>>>> That's it. I'm filtering all posts from Outlook Express.
>>>>> Why?
>>>>>
>>>>>> FWIW, Microsoft changed the way it reports earning, so it's comparing
>>>>>> apples
>>>>>> (last year) with oranges (this year). Nice play, but it only fools
>>>>>> the
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>>> Please notify the SEC if you feel that MSFT improperly made changes
>>>>> the changes to their accounting practices. If you are not willing to
>>>>> stand by your accusations with a formal report to the SEC then we'll
>>>>> assume you're a liar.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>> As for Microsoft accounting changes -- again, I have
>>>> no data.
>>>
>>> This is well documented. By re-organising on a fairly regular basis,
>>
>> Please share with us a link showing MSFT is doing something wrong.
>>
>
>
> There's nothing WRONG with changing Accounting practices as long as what
> you do is in accordance with the law. However, if that change means that
> last years figures aren't comparable, and there is no way to make last
> year's figures comparable, then it would make me a tad suspicious about
> WHY there was a need to change in the first place - moving goal posts and
> all that..... and I'm a retired Management Accountant....

You seem to know a lot about accounting. Could you explain then (in DETAIL)
exactly what accounting changes Microsoft made. I tried to look this up and
the only change that I could find is that they didn't make any changes to
how they do their accounting, the change was to how they do their reporitng.
They no longer report detailed unit performance figures (just summaries) but
the accounting (how they add up the number) is still the same.




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On 2007-07-20, Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups.TakeThisOut@schestowitz.com> wrote:
> That's it. I'm filtering all posts from Outlook Express.
>
> FWIW, Microsoft changed the way it reports earning, so it's comparing apples
> (last year) with oranges (this year). Nice play, but it only fools the
> investors, who are not stupid (they are just not as clever as most people
> because they think MSFT is worth investing in).
>
> *plonk*

Bad idea IMHO.
Pretty soon you with all the filtering goig on their won't
be anyone to talk to!!
Seriously, my advice is to debate the reasonable posts
and simply ignore the flame bait.
As for investing in MSFT, the market is going wild
at the moment and people are making tons of money.
Last I heard, the average amount made by investing
at the start of the year to present hovers
around 17 percent.This is for the market in general.
That's a lot of profit, and it's the average.
It will crash and as usual the greedy middle
class person will burn but the rich will
still be rich when the smoke clears.

____/ waterskidoo on Sunday 22 July 2007 13:53 : \____

> On 2007-07-20, Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups.DeleteThis@schestowitz.com> wrote:
>> That's it. I'm filtering all posts from Outlook Express.
>>
>> FWIW, Microsoft changed the way it reports earning, so it's comparing apples
>> (last year) with oranges (this year). Nice play, but it only fools the
>> investors, who are not stupid (they are just not as clever as most people
>> because they think MSFT is worth investing in).
>>
>> *plonk*
>
> Bad idea IMHO.
> Pretty soon you with all the filtering goig on their won't
> be anyone to talk to!!
> Seriously, my advice is to debate the reasonable posts
> and simply ignore the flame bait.
> As for investing in MSFT, the market is going wild
> at the moment and people are making tons of money.
> Last I heard, the average amount made by investing
> at the start of the year to present hovers
> around 17 percent.This is for the market in general.
> That's a lot of profit, and it's the average.
> It will crash and as usual the greedy middle
> class person will burn but the rich will
> still be rich when the smoke clears.

There's the commission to take into account as well and bear in mind that there
is cheating. A Microsoft exec (VP?) got caught stealing money from investor
last week (inside trading).

The stock market is like a casino. Only the few who end up making a buck will
actually speak out and brag.

About trolls: do not reply to them. The only ones that get filtered or ignored
are those who come here to fight /against/ Linux. When you feed them, you
encourage their participation and implicitly endorse their behaviour.

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"Roy Schestowitz" <newsgroups.DeleteThis@schestowitz.com> wrote in message
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> ____/ waterskidoo on Sunday 22 July 2007 13:53 : \____
>
>> On 2007-07-20, Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups.DeleteThis@schestowitz.com> wrote:
>>> That's it. I'm filtering all posts from Outlook Express.
>>>
>>> FWIW, Microsoft changed the way it reports earning, so it's comparing
>>> apples
>>> (last year) with oranges (this year). Nice play, but it only fools the
>>> investors, who are not stupid (they are just not as clever as most
>>> people
>>> because they think MSFT is worth investing in).
>>>
>>> *plonk*
>>
>> Bad idea IMHO.
>> Pretty soon you with all the filtering goig on their won't
>> be anyone to talk to!!
>> Seriously, my advice is to debate the reasonable posts
>> and simply ignore the flame bait.
>> As for investing in MSFT, the market is going wild
>> at the moment and people are making tons of money.
>> Last I heard, the average amount made by investing
>> at the start of the year to present hovers
>> around 17 percent.This is for the market in general.
>> That's a lot of profit, and it's the average.
>> It will crash and as usual the greedy middle
>> class person will burn but the rich will
>> still be rich when the smoke clears.
>
> There's the commission to take into account as well and bear in mind that
> there
> is cheating. A Microsoft exec (VP?) got caught stealing money from
> investor
> last week (inside trading).
>
> The stock market is like a casino. Only the few who end up making a buck
> will
> actually speak out and brag.
>


> About trolls: do not reply to them.

Here you go. You have been ORDERED not to reply to people that Schestowitz
does not approve of. He's not suggesting that you don't reply, or asking
that you not reply. He has simply ordered you "Do not reply to them."

Roy Schestowitz and Roy alone will decide who you can reply to, when, under
what circumstances and what you may and may not say to people. Of course
it's because Linux is about freedom. And Roy will decide yours and everyone
elses freedom for you.

Got it?


> The only ones that get filtered or ignored
> are those who come here to fight /against/ Linux. When you feed them, you
> encourage their participation and implicitly endorse their behaviour.



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On 2007-07-22, Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups.RemoveThis@schestowitz.com> wrote:
> ____/ waterskidoo on Sunday 22 July 2007 13:53 : \____

> There's the commission to take into account as well and bear in mind that there
> is cheating. A Microsoft exec (VP?) got caught stealing money from investor
> last week (inside trading).

Agreed. I worked for several financial firms back in the 1980s and let's just
say there was quite a lot of insider stuff going on. I had nothing
to do with trading etc. I was a tech in the glass house.

> The stock market is like a casino. Only the few who end up making a buck will
> actually speak out and brag.

Yes it is, only some people have an advantage, legal or otherwise.

> About trolls: do not reply to them. The only ones that get filtered or ignored
> are those who come here to fight /against/ Linux. When you feed them, you
> encourage their participation and implicitly endorse their behaviour.

I agree for the flame bait types and vulgar people but I see some discussion
and pov that seem reasonable and deserve some counter arguments but they
are lumped into the troll bin simply because they may not agree with
everything Linux. IMHO that's not a good thing because it ends up portraying
Linux users as being narrow minded and not willing to reason.
I wouldn't waste time on proved trolls though. I have not been here long
enough to know who is who but I'm learning slowly, but surely.

> On 2007-07-22, Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups.TakeThisOut@schestowitz.com> wrote:
>> ____/ waterskidoo on Sunday 22 July 2007 13:53 : \____
>
>> There's the commission to take into account as well and bear in mind
>> that there is cheating. A Microsoft exec (VP?) got caught stealing
>> money from investor last week (inside trading).

This is a lie.



>> About trolls: do not reply to them. The only ones that get filtered
>> or ignored are those who come here to fight /against/ Linux. When
>> you feed them, you encourage their participation and implicitly
>> endorse their behaviour.

About Roy: do not read or reply to him. He's a congenital liar and cola
spammer.

On 2007-07-22, Sgt. Slaughter <rmiller.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:

> Here you go. You have been ORDERED not to reply to people that Schestowitz
> does not approve of. He's not suggesting that you don't reply, or asking
> that you not reply. He has simply ordered you "Do not reply to them."

But that's not what he said.

> Roy Schestowitz and Roy alone will decide who you can reply to, when, under
> what circumstances and what you may and may not say to people. Of course
> it's because Linux is about freedom. And Roy will decide yours and everyone
> elses freedom for you.
>
> Got it?

Actually no I don't.
Roy seems reasonable to me and some of *your* points seem reasonable
as well.
The difference is that you destroy the good parts of your posts
by acting foolish.
Roy seems to act like a professional adult who is strongly opinionated
for sure but he expresses his opinions like a gentleman.
He is very polite and offers at least some reasonable evidence for
his claims. That is the way it should be.x
Maybe if you did the same, you might get some good dialog going
concerning *your* opinions?
Just a thought.

On 2007-07-22, John Locke <johnlocke98513.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:

Why the subject change?

On Jul 20, 11:47 pm, John Locke <john98....RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Vista sales continue to surge!"
>
> So did my toilet when the septic system backed up !

And you have the added advantage that your
toilet does not contact Microsoft and
report the amount of toilet paper you use,
how many flushes per week and if you
leave the toilet cover down or up!

Citizen Jimserac
VISTA? We DON'T need it, WON'T use it.
Microsoft can KEEP THEIR CRAP VISTA.

On Jul 21, 5:07 pm, John Locke <johnlocke98... DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:12:42 -0500, "DFS" <nospam DeleteThis @dfs_.com> wrote:
> >John Locke wrote:
> >> "Vista sales continue to surge!"
>
> >> So did my toilet when the septic system backed up !
>
> >So did your business when Linux wasn't good enough to handle it.
>
> Our business is very healthy. Thankyou. Having made the decision
> two years ago to cease purchasing Microsoft software has
> saved us a boat load of money.
>
> XP and Windows 2003 server are doing the job for us. No need
> whatsoever to upgrade, especially to Vista. Open Office
> is just great. Have it on all the clients.
>
> We haven't started conversion to Linux but will do so in
> the near future with a well planned and technically sound endeavor.

Well done! And many many other businesses are discovering
the advantages of avoiding Microsoft software, upgrades
and operating systems and of using Linux. Those
of your competitors who fail to do this will be stuck
with incompatibilites, needs for extravagant memory
upgrades, older or installed software that no longer
works and greater expense for
software purchases, upgrades and
maintenance and so on, giving your company an immediate
and significant competitive advantage.

Citizen Jimserac
Former Microsoft Windows applications
Software Developer.

On Jul 21, 6:45 pm, "DFS" <nospam DeleteThis @dfs_.com> wrote:
> John Locke wrote:
> > On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:12:42 -0500, "DFS" <nospam DeleteThis @dfs_.com> wrote:
>
> >> John Locke wrote:
> >>> "Vista sales continue to surge!"
>
> >>> So did my toilet when the septic system backed up !
>
> >> So did your business when Linux wasn't good enough to handle it.
>
> > Our business is very healthy. Thankyou.
>
> Great. No thanks to Linux, of course.
>
> > Having made the decision
> > two years ago to cease purchasing Microsoft software has
> > saved us a boat load of money.
>
> How so? MS software doesn't cost much.
>
> Your small company needs to look at becoming a registered MS Partner. Just
> about anyone can do it - I did, registering as a one-man development shop.
> No corporate articles or documentation required. And they offer an
> incredible deal with their Action Pack Subscription. I think you get 10
> unrestricted licenses of nearly all their business software for $300/year.
>
> This is only if you want to keep supporting MS. Having bought a bunch of
> software from them over the years, and having received mediocre support over
> the last few years, I decided to buy as little MS software as possible from
> now on.
>
> > XP and Windows 2003 server are doing the job for us. No need
> > whatsoever to upgrade, especially to Vista.
>
> I have to agree with you there. From what I've read, there are many
> compatibility problems if you're trying to introduce Vista into an XP
> environment running certain "older" apps. I got a free Vista Business
> license (for spending about 3 hours time watching some technical webcasts),d> and I tried it but decided to stick with Server 2003 for now.
>

To have collateral
damage to apps that are working just fine
after spending $$$ to upgrade to Vista
is just plain stupid but at least you were honest
and admit it. Business does not have time
or $$$ to waste on Microsoft issues - and
that's why Microsoft is in BIG trouble
as a company even though sales
appear to be just fine (note
I said "appear" to be).

EVERYBODY has Microsoft's number now
and no bullshit they spout is going to
fool anyone.

Citizen JImserac

On Jul 22, 11:46 am, "Robt. Miller" <robtmil.kills....DeleteThis@comcast.net>
wrote:
> On 2007-07-21, DFS <nospam.DeleteThis@dfs_.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > John Locke wrote:
> >> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:12:42 -0500, "DFS" <nospam.DeleteThis@dfs_.com> wrote:
>
> >>> John Locke wrote:
> >>>> "Vista sales continue to surge!"
>
> >>>> So did my toilet when the septic system backed up !
>
> >>> So did your business when Linux wasn't good enough to handle it.
>
> >> Our business is very healthy. Thankyou.
>
> > Great. No thanks to Linux, of course.
>
> >> Having made the decision
> >> two years ago to cease purchasing Microsoft software has
> >> saved us a boat load of money.
>
> > How so? MS software doesn't cost much.
>
> $320/copy for Office Pro!?! 320 here, 320 there, starts to add up.
>
> --
>
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Exactly!

Citizen JImserac