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(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:18 pm
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:21:07 -0600, Oxford wrote:
> Congrats Everyone!
>
> OSX 10.5 coming out in October gets approval from the Open Group!
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I didn't see Linux mentioned in the article.
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:18 pm
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Rick <none RemoveThis @nomail.com> wrote:
> > Congrats Everyone!
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> > OSX 10.5 coming out in October gets approval from the Open Group!
> >
> > ----
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> I didn't see Linux mentioned in the article.
And why should you expect that in an Advocacy Forum?
Learn, Rick, Learn.
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Congrats Everyone!
OSX 10.5 coming out in October gets approval from the Open Group!
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OS X's commercial credentials recently got a major boost from the Open
Group. Thanks to the efforts of Apple's OS boss Kevin Van Vechten and
his team, Leopard has cleared all of the hurdles required to attain UNIX
03 certification. That places Apple in elite company. Only Sun, IBM and
HP are certified, so OS X turns the Big Three into the Big Four.
Here's Apple's Open Group brand certificate, which entitles Apple to use
the UNIX brand. I suggest printing this on high rag content paper,
framing it and hanging it in your server room or your Mac-graced
cubicle. There are UNIX pretenders, and there is the real thing. Mac
users, realize that qualifying for UNIX is no small feat, especially for
an open source, BSD-based OS. The Open Group standards, the PDFs for
which are idiotically marked as free but blocked from PDF download
unless you buy your way into a membership, are rooted in System V. Apple
is to be commended.
The UNIX 03 specifications cover libraries, system calls, terminal
interfaces, commands and utilities, internationalization and the C
language. That's the whole enchilada for ISVs (independent software
vendors) porting their server and non-GUI applications to OS X. UNIX
ISVs ought to climb on board, because once Leopard ships in October I
expect Xserve sales to take a leap. Software developers should also keep
in mind that the Leopard client OS is the same as Apple's server, minus
the quite exceptional administrative tools, and the installed base of
four and eight-core Mac Pro desktop/workstations is even larger.
A bit More Here:
http://snipurl.com/1p047
or
http://weblog.infoworld.com/enterprisemac/archives/2007/07/leopard_gets_u
n.html
Congrats Everyone, now the World's Most Popular Unix based OS, is
Certified by the OPEN GROUP.
http://www.opengroup.org/
Learn more about the upcoming high powered server here:
http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/leopard/
Learn more about the upcoming client here:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/
And highest performing Unix hardware for the price here:
http://www.apple.com/xserve/
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:47 pm
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Oxford wrote:
> Congrats Everyone!
>
> OSX 10.5 coming out in October gets approval from the Open Group!
>
> ----
>
> OS X's commercial credentials recently got a major boost from the Open
> Group. Thanks to the efforts of Apple's OS boss Kevin Van Vechten and
> his team, Leopard has cleared all of the hurdles required to attain UNIX
> 03 certification. That places Apple in elite company. Only Sun, IBM and
> HP are certified, so OS X turns the Big Three into the Big Four.
>
> Here's Apple's Open Group brand certificate, which entitles Apple to use
> the UNIX brand. I suggest printing this on high rag content paper,
> framing it and hanging it in your server room or your Mac-graced
> cubicle. There are UNIX pretenders, and there is the real thing. Mac
> users, realize that qualifying for UNIX is no small feat, especially for
> an open source, BSD-based OS. The Open Group standards, the PDFs for
> which are idiotically marked as free but blocked from PDF download
> unless you buy your way into a membership, are rooted in System V. Apple
> is to be commended.
>
> The UNIX 03 specifications cover libraries, system calls, terminal
> interfaces, commands and utilities, internationalization and the C
> language. That's the whole enchilada for ISVs (independent software
> vendors) porting their server and non-GUI applications to OS X. UNIX
> ISVs ought to climb on board, because once Leopard ships in October I
> expect Xserve sales to take a leap. Software developers should also keep
> in mind that the Leopard client OS is the same as Apple's server, minus
> the quite exceptional administrative tools, and the installed base of
> four and eight-core Mac Pro desktop/workstations is even larger.
>
> A bit More Here:
>
> http://snipurl.com/1p047
>
> or
>
> http://weblog.infoworld.com/enterprisemac/archives/2007/07/leopard_gets_u
> n.html
>
> Congrats Everyone, now the World's Most Popular Unix based OS, is
> Certified by the OPEN GROUP.
>
> http://www.opengroup.org/
>
> Learn more about the upcoming high powered server here:
>
> http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/leopard/
>
> Learn more about the upcoming client here:
>
> http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/
>
> And highest performing Unix hardware for the price here:
>
> http://www.apple.com/xserve/
>
> ---
There was a time when being Unix certified meant something, but greed
amongst the Unix vendors and Microsoft's exploitation of that greed, killed
that off. Now it is just a battle to find any common sense in the computer
industry, when faced with the Microsoft Marketing Machine.
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:47 pm
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Ian Hilliard <nospam.DeleteThis@hilliardtech.com> wrote:
> There was a time when being Unix certified meant something, but greed
> amongst the Unix vendors and Microsoft's exploitation of that greed, killed
> that off. Now it is just a battle to find any common sense in the computer
> industry, when faced with the Microsoft Marketing Machine.
There isn't much of any Microsoft marketing power left. Bill Gates is
leaving the company next summer so Microsoft is basically a dead end.
Sure, it still holds sway amongst some ignorant / ill-informed IT
departments... but OSX Server is going to be the new standard for
businesses worldwide in the 10-20 year timeframe so it's quite exciting
to see that Apple's OSX Leopard is now fully UNIX 03 certified.
Just think about what this power will bring to the world... finally!
http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/leopard/
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:47 pm
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In comp.os.linux.advocacy Ian Hilliard <nospam.DeleteThis@hilliardtech.com> says:
>Oxford wrote:
>
>> http://weblog.infoworld.com/enterprisemac/archives/2007/07/leopard_gets_u
>> n.html
>>
>> Congrats Everyone, now the World's Most Popular Unix based OS, is
>> Certified by the OPEN GROUP.
>>
>> http://www.opengroup.org/
>>
>> Learn more about the upcoming high powered server here:
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/leopard/
>>
>> Learn more about the upcoming client here:
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/
>>
>> And highest performing Unix hardware for the price here:
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/xserve/
>There was a time when being Unix certified meant something, but
>greed amongst the Unix vendors and Microsoft's exploitation of that
>greed, killed that off. Now it is just a battle to find any common
>sense in the computer industry, when faced with the Microsoft
>Marketing Machine.
This is a significant step in safeguarding the future of unix. As a
linux zealot, you are upset because you know that unix and linux are
the real competitors for their small market niche. Your paranoid
bleatings about "Microsoft Marketing Machine" are real dunces cap
material. If linux had any money, they would have just as big a
"Machine" as windows. But they don't so they don't.
There is a reason that many, many, many more people pay for windows
while linux is free. You should focus on trying to figure out why
this is, instead of retreating to sad old saws about Microsoft
advertising.
cordially, as always,
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:47 pm
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In article <787b3$46af9e32$544a537b$11280@news.hispeed.ch>,
Ian Hilliard <nospam DeleteThis @hilliardtech.com> wrote:
> There was a time when being Unix certified meant something, but greed
> amongst the Unix vendors and Microsoft's exploitation of that greed, killed
> that off. Now it is just a battle to find any common sense in the computer
> industry, when faced with the Microsoft Marketing Machine.
>
> Ian
There was a time just a year ago when various Windroids and Linux
weenies were screaming hysterically every time someone said that OS X
was Unix. They pointed at how the Open Group had not certified OS X as
Unix, therefore it wasn't.
It comes as no surprise that now that they have, it's considered a
worthless certification.
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:55 pm
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In article <reply_in_group-E081EA.18013131072007 RemoveThis @news.supernews.com>,
Tim Smith <reply_in_group RemoveThis @mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> In article
> <timberwoof.spam-6C0C27.15093531072007 RemoveThis @nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net>,
> Timberwoof <timberwoof.spam RemoveThis @inferNOnoSPAMsoft.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <colalovesmacs-82A669.13210731072007 RemoveThis @mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net>,
> > Oxford <colalovesmacs RemoveThis @mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Congrats Everyone!
> > >
> > > OSX 10.5 coming out in October gets approval from the Open Group!
> >
> > I'm sure that we will now learn that the Open Group is not competent to
> > hand out UNIX certifications.
>
> ...until someone, such as Redhat, gets a Linux certified as Unix, and
> then it will be a big point in Linux advocacy arguments.
I never decided which OS to use based on whether it was UNIX certified.
I'm sure that the people who write software for Linux (RedHat, SuSe,
Ubunto, etc), BSD, OS X, etc. don't care much either. The previous lack
of certification was only important to those who could it as a handy
bludgeon to beat OS X users with and say, with authority, that it was
NOT a real UNIX system.
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:30 pm
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In article <C2D55561.89C59%CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>,
Snit <CSMA DeleteThis @gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
> "StormDrain" <Liberty DeleteThis @MS-Free.com> stated in post
> Liberty-35EBB1.21060531072007 DeleteThis @cnews.newsguy.com on 7/31/07 9:06 PM:
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> > In article <pan.2007.07.31.21.22.45.456030 DeleteThis @tiscali.co.uk>,
> > Kier <vallon DeleteThis @tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:21:07 -0600, Oxford wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> OSX 10.5 coming out in October gets approval from the Open Group!
> >>>
> >>
> >> So what? Why tell us in COLA? We don't care.
> >
> > Because we hear so much about how OS X is not UNIX (harumph!), it's just
> > Unix. Or maybe it's the other way around. Anyhow, this thoroughly
> > squashes that debate. 
>
> You have no faith in the desperation of some in CSMA to keep such debates
> going.
So far they're distancing themselves, pleading ignorance to the whole
thing. Maybe the big guns will step up to the plate tomorrow.
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:33 pm
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"StormDrain" <Liberty DeleteThis @MS-Free.com> stated in post
Liberty-5A8BF9.22305131072007 DeleteThis @cnews.newsguy.com on 7/31/07 10:30 PM:
> In article <C2D55561.89C59%CSMA@gallopinginsanity.com>,
> Snit <CSMA DeleteThis @gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:
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>> "StormDrain" <Liberty DeleteThis @MS-Free.com> stated in post
>> Liberty-35EBB1.21060531072007 DeleteThis @cnews.newsguy.com on 7/31/07 9:06 PM:
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>>> In article <pan.2007.07.31.21.22.45.456030 DeleteThis @tiscali.co.uk>,
>>> Kier <vallon DeleteThis @tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:21:07 -0600, Oxford wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> OSX 10.5 coming out in October gets approval from the Open Group!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So what? Why tell us in COLA? We don't care.
>>>
>>> Because we hear so much about how OS X is not UNIX (harumph!), it's just
>>> Unix. Or maybe it's the other way around. Anyhow, this thoroughly
>>> squashes that debate.
>>
>> You have no faith in the desperation of some in CSMA to keep such debates
>> going.
>
> So far they're distancing themselves, pleading ignorance to the whole
> thing. Maybe the big guns will step up to the plate tomorrow.
I am looking to see what TheLetterK says... one of his arguments is that OS
X is too different from Unix. Well, hard to be different than yourself, eh?
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:33 pm
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:37:52 -0500, Jim Lee Jr. wrote:
> In article <13av9lhmn493v0e DeleteThis @news.supernews.com>, Rick <none DeleteThis @nomail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:46:38 -0500, Jim Lee Jr. wrote:
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>> > In article <pan.2007.07.31.21.22.45.456030 DeleteThis @tiscali.co.uk>,
>> > Kier <vallon DeleteThis @tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:21:07 -0600, Oxford wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > OSX 10.5 coming out in October gets approval from the Open Group!
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> So what? Why tell us in COLA? We don't care.
>> >
>> > Because OS X is Unix based.
>>
>> Yes? So? What does that have to do with Linux?
>
> Because Linux is derived from Unix.
No, it isn't. It was written as a "work alike" and was written to take
the place of Minix for students.
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:33 pm
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"Rick" <none.TakeThisOut@nomail.com> stated in post 13avon85u8hd952.TakeThisOut@news.supernews.com
on 7/31/07 6:33 PM:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:37:52 -0500, Jim Lee Jr. wrote:
>
>> In article <13av9lhmn493v0e.TakeThisOut@news.supernews.com>, Rick <none.TakeThisOut@nomail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:46:38 -0500, Jim Lee Jr. wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <pan.2007.07.31.21.22.45.456030.TakeThisOut@tiscali.co.uk>,
>>>> Kier <vallon.TakeThisOut@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:21:07 -0600, Oxford wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> OSX 10.5 coming out in October gets approval from the Open Group!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> So what? Why tell us in COLA? We don't care.
>>>>
>>>> Because OS X is Unix based.
>>>
>>> Yes? So? What does that have to do with Linux?
>>
>> Because Linux is derived from Unix.
>
> No, it isn't. It was written as a "work alike" and was written to take
> the place of Minix for students.
It's concepts are derived from Unix... its code, in theory, is not.
I think it was poor wording to say it was derived from Unix, but in context
it is pretty clear what was meant.
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:35 pm
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:49:55 -0600, Oxford wrote:
> Rick <none RemoveThis @nomail.com> wrote:
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>> >> > OSX 10.5 coming out in October gets approval from the Open Group!
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> So what? Why tell us in COLA? We don't care.
>> >
>> > Because OS X is Unix based.
>>
>> Yes? So? What does that have to do with Linux?
>
> It points to the future of Unix, numbnut.
What dies the future of UNIX have to do with Linux, dickhead?
>
> Learn, Rick, Learn.
Take your own advice. When will you learn that Mac related posts, without
a Linux tie-in especially, are unwelcome in COLA?
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:36 pm
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:48:25 -0600, Oxford wrote:
> Rick <none.DeleteThis@nomail.com> wrote:
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>> > Congrats Everyone!
>> >
>> > OSX 10.5 coming out in October gets approval from the Open Group!
>> >
>> > ----
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>> I didn't see Linux mentioned in the article.
>
> And why should you expect that in an Advocacy Forum?
>
> Learn, Rick, Learn.
>
Take your own advice. When will you learn that Mac related posts,
especially without a Linux, are unwelcome in COLA?
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(Msg. 29) Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:40 pm
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:38:31 +0000, anon wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Ian Hilliard <nospam.TakeThisOut@hilliardtech.com> says:
>>Oxford wrote:
>>
>>> http://weblog.infoworld.com/enterprisemac/archives/2007/07/
leopard_gets_u
>>> n.html
>>>
>>> Congrats Everyone, now the World's Most Popular Unix based OS, is
>>> Certified by the OPEN GROUP.
>>>
>>> http://www.opengroup.org/
>>>
>>> Learn more about the upcoming high powered server here:
>>>
>>> http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/leopard/
>>>
>>> Learn more about the upcoming client here:
>>>
>>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/
>>>
>>> And highest performing Unix hardware for the price here:
>>>
>>> http://www.apple.com/xserve/
>
>>There was a time when being Unix certified meant something, but greed
>>amongst the Unix vendors and Microsoft's exploitation of that greed,
>>killed that off. Now it is just a battle to find any common sense in the
>>computer industry, when faced with the Microsoft Marketing Machine.
>
> This is a significant step in safeguarding the future of unix. As a
> linux zealot,
First mistake. I am not a Linux zealot. You should also know that I am
often chastised in COLA for speaking up for Apple and MacOS.
> you are upset
Second mistake. I am not upset.
> because you know that unix and linux are the
> real competitors for their small market niche.
That may, or may not be true.
> Your paranoid bleatings
> about
I am not paranoid, and I don't bleat.
> "Microsoft Marketing Machine" are real dunces cap material. If
> linux had any money, they would have just as big a "Machine" as windows.
> But they don't so they don't.
Linux has no money. Neither does Windows.
>
> There is a reason that many, many, many more people pay for windows
> while linux is free. You should focus on trying to figure out why this
> is, instead of retreating to sad old saws about Microsoft advertising.
.... network effects of an illegally maintained monopoly.
>
> cordially, as always,
>
> rm
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(Msg. 30) Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:41 pm
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:09:35 -0700, Timberwoof wrote:
> In article
> <colalovesmacs-82A669.13210731072007.TakeThisOut@mpls-nnrp-03.inet.qwest.net>,
> Oxford <colalovesmacs.TakeThisOut@mac.com> wrote:
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>> Congrats Everyone!
>>
>> OSX 10.5 coming out in October gets approval from the Open Group!
>
> I'm sure that we will now learn that the Open Group is not competent to
> hand out UNIX certifications.
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