[News] Telegraph Covers Linux Laptops Story from Africa

On 31 Jul, 18:03, "DFS" <nospam.TakeThisOut@dfs_.com> wrote:
> Kier wrote:
> > On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:00:03 -0500, DFS wrote:
> >> But now that you mention it: cry me a freakin' river.
>
> > It's typical of you to show little or no compassion.
>
> How and why should I show what I don't have?
>
> >>> Now, one man Nicholas Negroponte work without any pay, and use his
> >>> own money and time to give them a chance,
>
> >> Why don't their own parents, adults and governments give them a
> >> chance?
>
> > That's an entirely different issue.
>
> No, that's the ONLY issue.

The governments of many (most? all?) of the countries in question are
crippled by the repayments they have to give to YOUR government, for
loans that were made to their corrupt predecessors. The money that a
fair number of these countries could make from valuable natural
resources is lost to swindling multinational corporations whose
primary shareholders and directors live not a million miles away from
YOU. But it's nothing to do with YOU, right? Idiot.

> > Many of the parents, certainly,
> > would, and do. That's why they go without to send their kids to
> > school. They value education far more than we do.
>
> That's a laugh.
>
> >>> This project is made by peoples that think about the users, and
> >>> their situation. They are a lot smarter then you.
>
> >> They can't be too smart if they're giving away substandard laptops
> >> to kids who don't have running water or food or medicine or
> >> electricity or books.
>
> > They're not substandard, you moron.
>
> By definition they're substandard, fool. And they're the last thing those
> kids need.

I think the last thing these kids need is you, DFS.

____/ birre on Tuesday 31 July 2007 09:49 : \____

> On 2007-07-23 17:46, DFS wrote:
>> Mark Kent wrote:
>>
>>> Linux performs well on low-end hardware, though.
>>
>> hmmm... the OS that nobody wants runs "well" on the hardware that nobody
>> wants.
>>
>>
>>
>
> You make a fool of yourself DFS.
> This is for starving kids that never will get the chance to learn anything,
> or be anything.
> Now, one man Nicholas Negroponte work without any pay, and use his own money
> and time to give them a chance, but you will make them to Microsoft
> customers, hired for nothing programmers, a gang of software pirates, or even
> killed when criminal gangs collect their ultra gaming laptops.
>
> This project is made by peoples that think about the users, and their
> situation. They are a lot smarter then you.

Well said.

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On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:00:03 -0500, DFS wrote:

> birre wrote:
>> On 2007-07-23 17:46, DFS wrote:
>>> Mark Kent wrote:
>>>
>>>> Linux performs well on low-end hardware, though.
>>>
>>> hmmm... the OS that nobody wants runs "well" on the hardware that
>>> nobody wants.
>>>
>>
>> You make a fool of yourself DFS.
>
> On cola? Impossible.

You do it all the time.

>
>
>> This is for starving kids that never will get the chance to learn
>> anything, or be anything.
>
> You know what, I didn't even notice the thread title/subject in my first
> response. Didn't even glance at it - just saw cola moron Mark Kent blabbing
> his stupidity.
>
> But now that you mention it: cry me a freakin' river.

It's typical of you to show little or no compassion.

>
>
>
>> Now, one man Nicholas Negroponte work without any pay, and use his
>> own money and time to give them a chance,
>
> Why don't their own parents, adults and governments give them a chance?

That's an entirely different issue. Many of the parents, certainly,
would, and do. That's why they go without to send their kids to school.
They value education far more than we do.

>
>
>
>> but you will make them to
>> Microsoft customers, hired for nothing programmers, a gang of
>> software pirates,
>
> What are you blabbing about?
>
>
>
>> or even killed when criminal gangs collect their ultra gaming laptops.
>
> Yawn. What else is new among them?

There are always some bad apples around.

>
>
>
>> This project is made by peoples that think about the users, and their
>> situation. They are a lot smarter then you.
>
> They can't be too smart if they're giving away substandard laptops to kids
> who don't have running water or food or medicine or electricity or books.

They're not substandard, you moron. They're designed to work in the
environment many of these children live in. Designed to withstand hard
knocks, keep out dust, be charged up by a number of different means,
reparable, usable in bright sunshine, simple to operate, etc.

The rugged wind-up radio designed by Trevor Bayliss has been a great
success. I see no reason why the laptop shouldn't be.

--
Kier

Kier wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:00:03 -0500, DFS wrote:

>> But now that you mention it: cry me a freakin' river.
>
> It's typical of you to show little or no compassion.

How and why should I show what I don't have?



>>> Now, one man Nicholas Negroponte work without any pay, and use his
>>> own money and time to give them a chance,
>>
>> Why don't their own parents, adults and governments give them a
>> chance?
>
> That's an entirely different issue.

No, that's the ONLY issue.



> Many of the parents, certainly,
> would, and do. That's why they go without to send their kids to
> school. They value education far more than we do.

That's a laugh.




>>> This project is made by peoples that think about the users, and
>>> their situation. They are a lot smarter then you.
>>
>> They can't be too smart if they're giving away substandard laptops
>> to kids who don't have running water or food or medicine or
>> electricity or books.
>
> They're not substandard, you moron.

By definition they're substandard, fool. And they're the last thing those
kids need.

On 2007-07-31 18:00, DFS wrote:
> birre wrote:
>> On 2007-07-23 17:46, DFS wrote:

>> You make a fool of yourself DFS.
>
> On cola? Impossible.
>

It's on cola you are a fool.
on coma (if there is a comp.os.microsoft.advocacy) you may be a hero.

I will not argue with you, you are to selfish and stupid to understand.

If someone forced you to sit on dry mud in africa without food,water,Internet
or electricity, you should still think your vista laptop is better then OLPC
I guess, and not change your mind even if you can't connect to Internet for
upgrading your virus protection or activate vista on your substandard box,
while the kids are running around you, googling after information with linux
using only standard protocols and standard formats.

Maybe they say "cry me a freakin' river" .


/bb

birre wrote:

>It's on cola you are a fool.
>on coma (if there is a comp.os.microsoft.advocacy) you may be a hero.

It's a rather moot point.

If playing the fool gets him the attention he craves, he'll do it.
It's only a means to an end.

Why everyone has not plonked the POS, I do not know.

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:03:03 -0500, DFS wrote:

> Kier wrote:
>> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:00:03 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>>> But now that you mention it: cry me a freakin' river.
>>
>> It's typical of you to show little or no compassion.
>
> How and why should I show what I don't have?

Exactly. You have no compassion. That makes you an arsehole, basically.

>
>
>
>>>> Now, one man Nicholas Negroponte work without any pay, and use his
>>>> own money and time to give them a chance,
>>>
>>> Why don't their own parents, adults and governments give them a
>>> chance?
>>
>> That's an entirely different issue.
>
> No, that's the ONLY issue.

No, it's a different issue. Of course the governments in question should
do more, but it's not a matter of waving a magic wand. Many needs have to
be addressed.

>
>
>
>> Many of the parents, certainly,
>> would, and do. That's why they go without to send their kids to
>> school. They value education far more than we do.
>
> That's a laugh.

No, it's the truth. Many kids in such poor countries will walk miles to
get to a school room. They know the value of education. If you find such
matters amusing, it only exposes you for what you are.

>>>> This project is made by peoples that think about the users, and their
>>>> situation. They are a lot smarter then you.
>>>
>>> They can't be too smart if they're giving away substandard laptops to
>>> kids who don't have running water or food or medicine or electricity
>>> or books.
>>
>> They're not substandard, you moron.
>
> By definition they're substandard, fool. And they're the last thing
> those kids need.

Why should you care? You don't give a monkey's about them, by your own
admission. And they are not substandard. You have completely and utterly
ignored what I wrote about the construction of the laptops, and *why* they
are built and designed as they are. *To withstand the harshaer conditions
they may face in such poor countries where electricity is largely absent,
where there is heat and dust, where spare parts and batteries are scarce*.

YOu just don't get it, do you? Why do you thin the wind-up radio is so
successful? Because *it will work*, and keep working, long after more
sophisticated devices have died. These people don't live in a high-tech
world.

--
Kier

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:11:56 -0700, dapunka wrote:

> On 31 Jul, 18:03, "DFS" <nospam.DeleteThis@dfs_.com> wrote:
>> Kier wrote:
>> > On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:00:03 -0500, DFS wrote:
<snip>
>> >> Why don't their own parents, adults and governments give them a
>> >> chance?
>>
>> > That's an entirely different issue.
>>
>> No, that's the ONLY issue.
>
> The governments of many (most? all?) of the countries in question are
> crippled by the repayments they have to give to YOUR government, for
> loans that were made to their corrupt predecessors. The money that a
> fair number of these countries could make from valuable natural
> resources is lost to swindling multinational corporations whose
> primary shareholders and directors live not a million miles away from
> YOU. But it's nothing to do with YOU, right? Idiot.

He does have a small point, in that I agree that the government and
peoples of these countries should stop fighting pointless wars and
having revolutions, etc, that bring only bloodshed, and get down to
taking care of the ordinary citizens who just want to grow their crops
(drought permitting) and get on with their lives.

That doesn't mean we was rich Western nations don't bear some of the blame.

--
Kier

dapunka wrote:

> The governments of many (most? all?) of the countries in question are
> crippled by the repayments they have to give to YOUR government, for
> loans that were made to their corrupt predecessors.

The countries that have signed up for OLPC computers are Argentina, Brazil,
Libya, Nigeria, Rwanda, Thailand and Uruguay

Which are crippled by loan repayments to the USA? And which are crippled by
their own political corruption?

uh huh




> The money that a
> fair number of these countries could make from valuable natural
> resources is lost to swindling multinational corporations

Really? Last I heard the valuable natural resources of, for instance,
Zimbabwe were being squandered by Robert Mugape and his retarded land
redistibution policy (kill and steal from the smart White farmers and give
to his dumbshit black cronies). The result is a disaster, of course.




> whose
> primary shareholders and directors live not a million miles away from
> YOU. But it's nothing to do with YOU, right?

Exactly.




> Idiot.

Loser.




> I think the last thing these kids need is you, DFS.

I'm the 2nd to last thing they need. The last thing they need is a bogus
laptop computer.

On Aug 1, 4:56 am, Mark Kent <mark.k... DeleteThis @demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Roy Schestowitz <newsgro... DeleteThis @schestowitz.com> espoused:
>
>
>
>
>
> > ____/ birre on Tuesday 31 July 2007 09:49 : \____
>
> >> On 2007-07-23 17:46, DFS wrote:
> >>> Mark Kent wrote:
>
> >>>> Linux performs well on low-end hardware, though.
>
> >>> hmmm... the OS that nobody wants runs "well" on the hardware that nobody
> >>> wants.
>
> >> You make a fool of yourself DFS.
> >> This is for starving kids that never will get the chance to learn anything,
> >> or be anything.
> >> Now, one man Nicholas Negroponte work without any pay, and use his own money
> >> and time to give them a chance, but you will make them to Microsoft
> >> customers, hired for nothing programmers, a gang of software pirates, or even
> >> killed when criminal gangs collect their ultra gaming laptops.
>
> >> This project is made by peoples that think about the users, and their
> >> situation. They are a lot smarter then you.
>
> > Well said.
>
> There is a certain blindness to a lot of people here when it comes to
> helping less fortunate people.
>


Wow, one person disagrees with the importance of the laptops and
suddenly a lot of people here don't want to help the less fortunate.
Show me two other quotes and I'll be impressed.

On 2007-08-01, Kier <vallon.TakeThisOut@tiscali.co.uk> claimed:
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:58:23 -0500, DFS wrote:

>> I guess I was wrong. I thought literacy levels and well-developed
>> educational systems and percent of secondary-level graduates were the best
>> measure of how much a country/culture values education. Now I know it's how
>> far they walk to get to a school.
>
> You're such an idiot. Yes, often (too often) the schooling is limited. But
> when it is offered, many, many of these very poor people who you seem
> happy to despise will walk miles, and sacrifice money they could spend on
> food, to get to school.

Have you forgotten what DuFS is? He is, or aspires to be, a KKK Grand
Wizard. He can't like or feel anything for "those people" because
they're not "like us".

Not killfiling the bastard is a sin you'll have to atone or answer for
one day.

--
I hate sloppy release code. Probably why I don't go near Windows.

Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups.RemoveThis@schestowitz.com> espoused:
> ____/ birre on Tuesday 31 July 2007 09:49 : \____
>
>> On 2007-07-23 17:46, DFS wrote:
>>> Mark Kent wrote:
>>>
>>>> Linux performs well on low-end hardware, though.
>>>
>>> hmmm... the OS that nobody wants runs "well" on the hardware that nobody
>>> wants.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You make a fool of yourself DFS.
>> This is for starving kids that never will get the chance to learn anything,
>> or be anything.
>> Now, one man Nicholas Negroponte work without any pay, and use his own money
>> and time to give them a chance, but you will make them to Microsoft
>> customers, hired for nothing programmers, a gang of software pirates, or even
>> killed when criminal gangs collect their ultra gaming laptops.
>>
>> This project is made by peoples that think about the users, and their
>> situation. They are a lot smarter then you.
>
> Well said.
>

There is a certain blindness to a lot of people here when it comes to
helping less fortunate people.

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On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 00:25:30 -0500, DFS wrote:

> Really? Last I heard the valuable natural resources of, for instance,
> Zimbabwe were being squandered by Robert Mugape and his retarded land
> redistibution policy (kill and steal from the smart White farmers and give
> to his dumbshit black cronies). The result is a disaster, of course.

Yup, and it's a scandal. If he had redistributed the land fairly and
sensibly among both blacks and whites, the situation would have been
avoided.

It would have been even better for us to have left Africa to its own
indigenous population, to develop naturally. Since we didn't, we bear some
responsibility for subsequent events.

--
Kier