[News] [Rival] Windows Vista Still Loathed (Digest)

On 2007-07-28, Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups DeleteThis @schestowitz.com> wrote:
> Vista Nightmare: The ?Oww!? Starts Now
>
> http://www.pseudomarketing.com/vista-nightmare-oww/
>
> Friday Rant - Things I hate about Windows Vista
>
> ,----[ Quote ]
>| Then finally there?s the overall productivity angle. Sure, Vista looks kinda
>| nice but I?m still not sold on whether ?WOW!? translates into extra
>| productivity, even if I ignore all the headaches and hassles. I won?t argue
>| that there are some features in Vista that are cool, but there?s nothing that
>| I couldn?t live without. There?s also a shed load of features that feel
>| squarely aimed at the home user that to be honest I don?t miss when I shift
>| back to an XP system.
> `----
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=663

This is pretty much what I am hearing from people I know.
Some of it is due to ignorance in that users don't fully
realize that much of the improvements over XP are not
visual. IOW to them Vista looks just like XP pretty much anyway.
For other people, Vista is just a headache and like it says
above, what are gains?
Is it worth it considering the down side?
And still others have tried Vista and went back to
XP because of incompatibility problems with software
and hardware.

____/ waterskidoo on Saturday 28 July 2007 18:16 : \____

> On 2007-07-28, Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups.RemoveThis@schestowitz.com> wrote:
>> Vista Nightmare: The ?Oww!? Starts Now
>>
>> http://www.pseudomarketing.com/vista-nightmare-oww/
>>
>> Friday Rant - Things I hate about Windows Vista
>>
>> ,----[ Quote ]
>>| Then finally there?s the overall productivity angle. Sure, Vista looks
>>| kinda nice but I?m still not sold on whether ?WOW!? translates into extra
>>| productivity, even if I ignore all the headaches and hassles. I won?t
>>| argue that there are some features in Vista that are cool, but there?s
>>| nothing that
>>| I couldn?t live without. There?s also a shed load of features that feel
>>| squarely aimed at the home user that to be honest I don?t miss when I shift
>>| back to an XP system.
>> `----
>>
>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=663
>
> This is pretty much what I am hearing from people I know.
> Some of it is due to ignorance in that users don't fully
> realize that much of the improvements over XP are not
> visual. IOW to them Vista looks just like XP pretty much anyway.
> For other people, Vista is just a headache and like it says
> above, what are gains?
> Is it worth it considering the down side?
> And still others have tried Vista and went back to
> XP because of incompatibility problems with software
> and hardware.

They should just move to Linux. XP won't live forever and it's a step /back/ in
time. It's like running back when crossing a bridge rather than just reaching
for the end whilst you're 3/4 there.

This morning I received a parcel from some anonymous person (I didn't know
these can be shipped anonymously). In contained DVDs with "screensavers"...
but these are merely Windows installers that install OpenSUSE 10.2 without the
user's awareness. Maybe I'll give of these to my sister...

Install screensavers, get *nixed!

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On 2007-07-28, Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups DeleteThis @schestowitz.com> wrote:

> They should just move to Linux. XP won't live forever and it's a step /back/ in
> time. It's like running back when crossing a bridge rather than just reaching
> for the end whilst you're 3/4 there.

Some of them are testing the waters as we speak

> This morning I received a parcel from some anonymous person (I didn't know
> these can be shipped anonymously). In contained DVDs with "screensavers"...
> but these are merely Windows installers that install OpenSUSE 10.2 without the
> user's awareness. Maybe I'll give of these to my sister...

That's really sneaky!
Does the install clobber the users Windows partition?
If so, I would suspect someone trying to give Linux a bad name.

> Install screensavers, get *nixed!
That's funny <mesmiles>!

Verily I say unto thee, that John Locke spake thusly:
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:37:53 +0100, Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups.TakeThisOut@schestowitz.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The secret is out, Microsoft. The reputation that you can't be
>> trusted to deliver reliable software is getting around fast.
>
> That's about it in a nutshell. The biggest mistake Microsoft has made is
> that they created an OS that "they'd" like to see...not what the
> customer would like to see.

I've said this before, but Vista seems to be all about downgrading and
inhibiting the users, whilst upgrading and empowering Microsoft's
control of those users. There seems to be little in there that is of any
actual benefit to those it *should* benefit, and even those features
that do (on paper) seem to offer something better than XP (e.g.
ReadyBoost) don't seem to work out to be very beneficial in practice.

Those unfortunate enough to downgrade to Vista, seem to have paid an
awful lot of money for nothing but the rather dubious "privilege" of
being fleeced by Microsoft ... yet again.

--
K.
http://slated.org

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| "Computer games don't affect kids, I mean if Pac man affected us as
| kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching pills
| and listening to repetitive music." - Kristian Wilson, Nintendo
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On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 21:03:27 +0100, "[H]omer" <spam RemoveThis @uce.gov> wrote:

>Verily I say unto thee, that John Locke spake thusly:
>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:37:53 +0100, Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups RemoveThis @schestowitz.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The secret is out, Microsoft. The reputation that you can’t be
>>> trusted to deliver reliable software is getting around fast.
>>
>> That's about it in a nutshell. The biggest mistake Microsoft has made is
>> that they created an OS that "they'd" like to see...not what the
>> customer would like to see.
>
>I've said this before, but Vista seems to be all about downgrading and
>inhibiting the users, whilst upgrading and empowering Microsoft's
>control of those users. There seems to be little in there that is of any
>actual benefit to those it *should* benefit, and even those features
>that do (on paper) seem to offer something better than XP (e.g.
>ReadyBoost) don't seem to work out to be very beneficial in practice.
>
>Those unfortunate enough to downgrade to Vista, seem to have paid an
>awful lot of money for nothing but the rather dubious "privilege" of
>being fleeced by Microsoft ... yet again.
It is time for Microsoft to create a streamlined, basic OS for people that
don't want all the junk that's in Vista. This would greatly enhance the image
of this company.

"[H]omer" <spam.RemoveThis@uce.gov> wrote in message news:g1ksn4-blc.ln1@sky.matrix...
> Verily I say unto thee, that John Locke spake thusly:
>> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:37:53 +0100, Roy Schestowitz
>> <newsgroups.RemoveThis@schestowitz.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The secret is out, Microsoft. The reputation that you can't be
>>> trusted to deliver reliable software is getting around fast.
>>
>> That's about it in a nutshell. The biggest mistake Microsoft has made is
>> that they created an OS that "they'd" like to see...not what the
>> customer would like to see.
>
> I've said this before, but Vista seems to be all about downgrading and
> inhibiting the users, whilst upgrading and empowering Microsoft's
> control of those users. There seems to be little in there that is of any
> actual benefit to those it *should* benefit, and even those features
> that do (on paper) seem to offer something better than XP (e.g.
> ReadyBoost) don't seem to work out to be very beneficial in practice.
>
> Those unfortunate enough to downgrade to Vista, seem to have paid an
> awful lot of money for nothing but the rather dubious "privilege" of
> being fleeced by Microsoft ... yet again.
>
> --
> K.
> http://slated.org
>
> .----
> | "Computer games don't affect kids, I mean if Pac man affected us as
> | kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching pills
> | and listening to repetitive music." - Kristian Wilson, Nintendo
> `----
>
> Fedora release 7 (Moonshine) on sky, running kernel 2.6.21-1.3194.fc7
> 21:01:46 up 27 days, 19:56, 5 users, load average: 0.47, 0.30, 0.28

"[H]omer" <spam DeleteThis @uce.gov> wrote in message news:g1ksn4-blc.ln1@sky.matrix...
>
> Those unfortunate enough to downgrade to Vista, seem to have paid an
> awful lot of money for nothing but the rather dubious "privilege" of
> being fleeced by Microsoft ... yet again.
>
Silly boy. Vista is simply the new Windows and looks a little different and
works about the same as the old Windows which everybody used. The added
lock-downs save a lot of people from the hackers and a few of the power
users feel inhibited, but then they find out how to turn all that stuff off
and it is just like XP again with better graphics. No one ever paid an
"awful lot of money" for Vista, it comes with the new computer that you buy.
You pretty much have to buy a new computer to use the niftier stuff anyway,
so what's the difference?

You Linuxers hope and pray that Microsoft will somehow chuck so bad that
Linux will start to look good to the computer users of the world, but that
day is not here yet and will never come. But cherish the thought in the
meanwhile, despair is frightfully lonely.

"John Locke" <johnlocke98513.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:oeana3t7urjc1tg57uj667fdca1c23jktt@4ax.com...

> It is time for Microsoft to create a streamlined, basic OS for people that
> don't want all the junk that's in Vista. This would greatly enhance the
> image
> of this company.
>
What would be saved? A few hundred megabytes of disk and/or RAM? Everyone
has plenty of that. You are living in a bygone age.

On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:06:43 -0400, "amicus_curious" <ACDC RemoveThis @sti.net> wrote:

>
>"John Locke" <johnlocke98513 RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:oeana3t7urjc1tg57uj667fdca1c23jktt@4ax.com...
>
>> It is time for Microsoft to create a streamlined, basic OS for people that
>> don't want all the junk that's in Vista. This would greatly enhance the
>> image
>> of this company.
>>
>What would be saved? A few hundred megabytes of disk and/or RAM? Everyone
>has plenty of that. You are living in a bygone age.
I still run Windows 2000 Pro, so in a sense you are correct.
But I also run Linux which seems to be pretty much streamlined and that's here
and now.

......and by the way. You've just been lectured by a troll on how to structure
your posts. Now that's a new one ! Very "cordial" fellow. Good luck with
that.

"Please try not to quote this John Locke fellow. We have him
killfiled and marked down as "boring" and we would prefer not to see
his work at all. However, we are not trying to tell you what to do
and we will not think any less of you if you choose to keep
responding to him. (Not that you would care what we think, either
way.) We just state our preferences with respect to Mr. Locke."

amicus_curious <ACDC.DeleteThis@sti.net> says:

>You Linuxers hope and pray that Microsoft will somehow chuck so bad
>that Linux will start to look good to the computer users of the
>world, but that day is not here yet and will never come. But
>cherish the thought in the meanwhile, despair is frightfully
>lonely.

We have been using linux pretty much exclusively for years now and
before that we used os/2 and msdos. We have never been much of a
windoze user, even though we usually have a windoze box or partition
around just in case we need it. And from time to time, you really
do need windoze.

But we see pcs as starting to become less generic and more
specialized in almost an explosive transition and we are not sure
that linux can keep up. More and more computing devices will use
radically different and new hardware and given that linux is largely
a volunteer effort, we are not sure that the complicated drivers
necessary for this hardware will be written either timely, or at
all, by linux coders.

We bought a dell awhile ago (first time mistake - never again) and
our "free" DELL AIO printer, a lexmark in disguise, is listed as a
paperweight on linux websites where we look for drivers. No driver
has ever been written for it, and no driver probably ever will. And
DELL is supposed to be linux friendly.

We believe that linux has eaten into unix sales and that's about it
and if that's the case, linux is ultimately only cannibalizing
itself. We doubt that many people who want windoze would settle for
anything else.

cordially, as always,

rm

amicus_curious <ACDC.DeleteThis@sti.net> says:
>"John Locke" <johnlocke98513.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message

>> It is time for Microsoft to create a streamlined, basic OS for
>> people that don't want all the junk that's in Vista. This would
>> greatly enhance the image of this company.

>What would be saved? A few hundred megabytes of disk and/or RAM?
>Everyone has plenty of that. You are living in a bygone age.

Exactly. So-called "bloatware" is now a thing of the past.
Hardware advances have long outstripped software advances such that
no OS is able to take full advantage of, let alone bloat, the
hardware on today's machines.

Please try not to quote this John Locke fellow. We have him
killfiled and marked down as "boring" and we would prefer not to see
his work at all. However, we are not trying to tell you what to do
and we will not think any less of you if you choose to keep
responding to him. (Not that you would care what we think, either
way.) We just state our preferences with respect to Mr. Locke.

cordially, as always,

rm

Verily I say unto thee, that John Locke spake thusly:

> It is time for Microsoft to create a streamlined, basic OS for people
> that don't want all the junk that's in Vista. This would greatly
> enhance the image of this company.

Frankly I think it's just time for the Microsoft dinosaur to become
extinct; and allow a modern, enlightened society to work towards Open
Standards and Free Software.

I have little interest in any company succeeding or failing, beyond that
which is listed in my portfolio, and for that I'd need to consult with
Cofunds, since I simple don't care about the details, beyond whether it
is going up or down. That's why I pay the fund manager a commission, so
I don't need to care about the boring details of corporate activity.

The only thing that is ever likely to make me care, is if a given
company somehow interferes with my personal freedom, like - say -
inhibiting my choices of cheap, mass-volume, OEM computer systems;
limiting my choice of certain hardware due to closed standards, etc.

Then I care.

--
K.
http://slated.org

..----
| "Computer games don't affect kids, I mean if Pac man affected us as
| kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching pills
| and listening to repetitive music." - Kristian Wilson, Nintendo
`----

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[H]omer <spam DeleteThis @uce.gov> says:
>Verily I say unto thee, that John Locke spake thusly:

>> It is time for Microsoft to create a streamlined, basic OS for
>> people that don't want all the junk that's in Vista. This would
>> greatly enhance the image of this company.

>Frankly I think it's just time for the Microsoft dinosaur to become
>extinct; and allow a modern, enlightened society to work towards Open
>Standards and Free Software.

Oh, yes! But wait! They tried that in Russia and it didn't work.
And they are trying it in China but our cats died.

>I have little interest in any company succeeding or failing, beyond
>that which is listed in my portfolio, and for that I'd need to
>consult with Cofunds, since I simple don't care about the details,
>beyond whether it is going up or down. That's why I pay the fund
>manager a commission, so I don't need to care about the boring
>details of corporate activity.

Are not able to grasp it, eh? Look at it this way - even though M$
is not open source and is not "free", in any way, people buy it.
And buy it and buy it and buy it. And even though linux is open
source and is pretty much "free" in every way, everybody still buys
windoze. And they buy it and buy it and buy it.

>The only thing that is ever likely to make me care, is if a given
>company somehow interferes with my personal freedom, like - say -
>inhibiting my choices of cheap, mass-volume, OEM computer systems;
>limiting my choice of certain hardware due to closed standards,
>etc.

>Then I care.

Ah, so you should simply move to China. They don't respect patents
over there. Everything is "free" and "open source" in China! And
they aren't about to restrict your individual freedom by protecting
the rights of creative individuals to make interesting products.

Just think, if we simply line up and shoot all the creative types,
nothing new would ever be written and you would be free to use vim
or emacs to your heart's content without anyone ever depriving you
of your well-established right to enjoy life, by producing something
new that they would expect you to have to pay for.

cordially, as always,

rm