[News] Microsoft Windows Installed Base to Cross 1 Billion..

DFS wrote:
> 7 wrote:
>> Asstroturfer Hadron wrote on behalf of Micoshaft Corporation:
>>
>>> Gordon <gbplinux.TakeThisOut@gmail.com.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>>> Gordon wrote:
>>>>>> Ian Semmel wrote:
>>>>>>> ----[ Quote ]
>>>>>>> The software giant announced it sold 60 million copies of Windows
>>>>>>> Vista this year,
>>>>>> Yes, to OEMs. That does NOT translate into 60 million users, far
>>>>>> from it....
>>>>> How do you know?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> How do you know it's not?
>>> He is not making any claims. You are.
>> Wrong - by default what each party said is correct but
>> but doofy raised it to another level
>> by implicitly claiming that the second opinion had
>> no data to substantiate it.
>
> I didn't implicitly claim anything. I'm asking him, like I've asked Rex
> "Linux Visionary" Ballard a thousand times, to substantiate his claims.
>
> If he has some valid supporting info, I'd like to see it. I bet he slinks
> away as usual.
>
>
>
>

Documentation for the fact that Microsoft reports 'shipped' product as
'installed user base' is available at theRegister.com and the
Inquirer.com, and even popped up in my Yahoo news flashes a couple weeks
ago. Also, mentioned in Wired.

I really detest people challenging common knowledge that is in the media
and press prevalent and available to anyone with an IQ above that of
tepid tea.

The fact that Microsoft has repeatedly lied should come into play for
any who read their press releases. Definitely doubt they have sold to
end users 60 million copies of their latest abysmal failure!

I am in the Chain stores doing demonstrations with LiveCDs, and see more
Vista systems and boxes coming back for return than are going out!
Sales staff informs anyone who listens that 'sales are a flop on Vista
machines', everyone seems to want something that works.

Oldtech wrote:
> DFS wrote:
>> 7 wrote:
>>> Asstroturfer Hadron wrote on behalf of Micoshaft Corporation:
>>>
>>>> Gordon <gbplinux DeleteThis @gmail.com.invalid> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>>>> Gordon wrote:
>>>>>>> Ian Semmel wrote:
>>>>>>>> ----[ Quote ]
>>>>>>>> The software giant announced it sold 60 million copies of
>>>>>>>> Windows Vista this year,
>>>>>>> Yes, to OEMs. That does NOT translate into 60 million users, far
>>>>>>> from it....
>>>>>> How do you know?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> How do you know it's not?
>>>> He is not making any claims. You are.
>>> Wrong - by default what each party said is correct but
>>> but doofy raised it to another level
>>> by implicitly claiming that the second opinion had
>>> no data to substantiate it.
>>
>> I didn't implicitly claim anything. I'm asking him, like I've asked
>> Rex "Linux Visionary" Ballard a thousand times, to substantiate his
>> claims.
>>
>> If he has some valid supporting info, I'd like to see it. I bet he
>> slinks away as usual.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Documentation for the fact that Microsoft reports 'shipped' product as
> 'installed user base' is available at theRegister.com and the
> Inquirer.com, and even popped up in my Yahoo news flashes a couple
> weeks ago. Also, mentioned in Wired.
>
> I really detest people challenging common knowledge that is in the
> media and press prevalent and available to anyone with an IQ above
> that of tepid tea.

You cola liars/idiots have to be challenged. For instance, you used to blab
that Linux systems ran 50x faster than Windows systems. Why did you
discontinue that particular piece of stupidity?



> The fact that Microsoft has repeatedly lied should come into play for
> any who read their press releases. Definitely doubt they have sold to
> end users 60 million copies of their latest abysmal failure!

First it was "does NOT translate into 60 million users" and now it's
"definitely doubt". Just so you know, MS doesn't sell to end users. And
just so you're clear, you don't know how many Vista systems have been sold.

Now it's time to admit you make up statements to support your anti-MS
hatred. All Linux "advocates" on cola do it.



> I am in the Chain stores doing demonstrations with LiveCDs,

This is too weird. Unless you're there as an official representative of a
distro or hardware vendor - which is unlikely - it means you hover uninvited
around the hardware, and when customers get near you launch into a bad Linux
sales pitch, complete with all your lies. Then you try to force a LiveCD
into their hand.

At which chain store(s) do you hold these "demonstrations"? Does management
know what you're doing?



> and see
> more Vista systems and boxes coming back for return than are going
> out! Sales staff informs anyone who listens that 'sales are a flop on
> Vista machines', everyone seems to want something that works.

You cola idiots can't make a post without multiple lies, can you?

Linonut <linonut.RemoveThis@bellsouth.net> writes:

> After takin' a swig o' grog, 7 belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Asstroturfer Hadron wrote on behalf of Micoshaft Corporation:
>>
>>> Linonut <linonut.RemoveThis@bellsouth.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> After takin' a swig o' grog, 7 belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>>>>
>>>>> Asstrotrufer Ian Semmel wrote on behalf of Micoshaft Corporation:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0%2C1895%2C2163005%2C00.asp
>>>>>
>>>>> Linux runs on more than a billion devices and has won the
>>>>> race across the many aspects of industry.
>>>>
>>>> We should call Ian Semmel "Press-Release Boi".
>>>
>>> And what would you call Roy Spammowitz or High Plains Rafael? Both of
>>> whom do nothing put post other peoples articles and press releases.
>>
>> We should call you idiot but I think thats an insult to
>> idiots everywhere and half wits may file a complaint.
>>
>> What to do?
>
> We should call Hadron Quark "Whiner" or "Miss Construe".

You probably could. But why? Example of me "whining" or "misconstruing"
please. I can find lots of Roy doing both. And you actually.

Asstroturfer Hadron wrote on behalf of Micoshaft Corporation:

> Linonut <linonut DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> writes:
>
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, 7 belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> Asstroturfer Hadron wrote on behalf of Micoshaft Corporation:
>>>
>>>> Linonut <linonut DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> After takin' a swig o' grog, 7 belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Asstrotrufer Ian Semmel wrote on behalf of Micoshaft Corporation:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0%2C1895%2C2163005%2C00.asp
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linux runs on more than a billion devices and has won the
>>>>>> race across the many aspects of industry.
>>>>>
>>>>> We should call Ian Semmel "Press-Release Boi".
>>>>
>>>> And what would you call Roy Spammowitz or High Plains Rafael? Both of
>>>> whom do nothing put post other peoples articles and press releases.
>>>
>>> We should call you idiot but I think thats an insult to
>>> idiots everywhere and half wits may file a complaint.
>>>
>>> What to do?
>>
>> We should call Hadron Quark "Whiner" or "Miss Construe".
>
> You probably could. But why? Example of me "whining" or "misconstruing"
> please. I can find lots of Roy doing both. And you actually.

You are whining now and Miss Conscrewing before.
So I take it you accept that you are "Miss Conscrewer"
as well being an idiot that half wits have reasons to complain about
because it infringes on their trade?

Choices choices!!

Asstroturfer DFS wrote on behalf of Micoshaft Corporation:

> 7 wrote:
>> Asstroturfer Hadron wrote on behalf of Micoshaft Corporation:
>>
>>> Gordon <gbplinux RemoveThis @gmail.com.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>>> Gordon wrote:
>>>>>> Ian Semmel wrote:
>>>>>>> ----[ Quote ]
>>>>>>> The software giant announced it sold 60 million copies of Windows
>>>>>>> Vista this year,
>>>>>> Yes, to OEMs. That does NOT translate into 60 million users, far
>>>>>> from it....
>>>>>
>>>>> How do you know?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How do you know it's not?
>>>
>>> He is not making any claims. You are.
>>
>> Wrong - by default what each party said is correct but
>> but doofy raised it to another level
>> by implicitly claiming that the second opinion had
>> no data to substantiate it.
>
> I didn't implicitly claim anything. I'm asking him, like I've asked Rex
> "Linux Visionary" Ballard a thousand times, to substantiate his claims.
>
> If he has some valid supporting info, I'd like to see it. I bet he slinks
> away as usual.

Like claiming the sun will shine tomorrw,
the validity is implicit unless you can prove him wrong
with your own data.

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 10:53:00 -0500, "DFS" <nospam.RemoveThis@dfs_.com> wrote:

>Gordon wrote:
>> Ian Semmel wrote:
>>> ----[ Quote ]
>>
>>> The software giant announced it sold 60 million copies of Windows
>>> Vista this year,
>>
>> Yes, to OEMs. That does NOT translate into 60 million users, far from
>> it....
>
>How do you know?

Here's a breakdown on market share taken from
a sampling of 125,000 users:

81.82% Windows XP
4.82% Linux
4.27% Windows 2000
3.27% PPC
2.64% Mac OS X
1.55% Windows Vista
1.45% Unknown
0.09% Windows CE
0.09% Windows ME

So if there's 980 million PCs running Windows,
then 1.55 x 980 million = 15.19 million Vista installs.

Somebody's sitting on 45 million licenses...somewhere...
....somewhere over the rainbow I think.

After takin' a swig o' grog, 7 belched out this bit o' wisdom:

> Asstroturfer Hadron wrote on behalf of Micoshaft Corporation:
>>>
>>> We should call Hadron Quark "Whiner" or "Miss Construe".
>>
>> You probably could. But why? Example of me "whining" or "misconstruing"
>> please. I can find lots of Roy doing both. And you actually.
>
> You are whining now and Miss Conscrewing before.
> So I take it you accept that you are "Miss Conscrewer"
> as well being an idiot that half wits have reasons to complain about
> because it infringes on their trade?

Hadron really misconstrues the situation which exists -- that I only see
his inanity when someone else replies to him.

Your inanity I see all the time <grin>!

Weren't you the one that used to do the "pirate" bit -- "aarrgh, shiver
me timers" and all that? That was /cool/.

--
Tux rox!

After takin' a swig o' grog, DFS belched out this bit o' wisdom:

> Linonut wrote:
>>
>> http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=508391
>>
>> Gartner Says Worldwide PC Shipments to Increase 11 Percent Due in
>> Part to Strong Uptake in Emerging Markets
>>
>> First Half Sales Show Vista Operating System Has Not Been a Growth
>> Driver for the PC Industry
>>
>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,134759-pg,1/article.html
>>
>> Desktop PC Sales Slow Ahead of Expected Intel Price Cut
>> Global PC sales have slowed as the market waits for Intel to
>> announce new price reductions, market researchers said.
>>
>> Obviously, Microsoft is generating Vista sales numbers out of its
>> monopoly ass, and your theory likely has much merit.
>
> All of a sudden Gartner's word is golden. Yep, this is cola alright: Land
> of the Hypocrites.

Ah, get off your high-horsey!

>> Anyway, maybe I should have waited a couple months before buying my
>> new AMD64!
>
> Don't let buyer's remorse get you. Computer hardware prices will always
> fall.

Yeah, but I already spent the money!

--
Tux rox!

Linonut <linonut.RemoveThis@bellsouth.net> espoused:
> After takin' a swig o' grog, Mark Kent belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> Besides, Microsoft doesn't sell licences, it merely shoves them down the
>> pipeline so that retailers sit on them, mostly unable to shift them to
>> users, at the moment.
>
> http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=508391
>
> Gartner Says Worldwide PC Shipments to Increase 11 Percent Due in
> Part to Strong Uptake in Emerging Markets
>
> First Half Sales Show Vista Operating System Has Not Been a Growth
> Driver for the PC Industry
>
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,134759-pg,1/article.html
>
> Desktop PC Sales Slow Ahead of Expected Intel Price Cut
> Global PC sales have slowed as the market waits for Intel to announce
> new price reductions, market researchers said.
>
> Obviously, Microsoft is generating Vista sales numbers out of its
> monopoly ass, and your theory likely has much merit.

Indeed it seems that way.

>
> Anyway, maybe I should have waited a couple months before buying my new
> AMD64!
>

Hehe - maybe

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After takin' a swig o' grog, DFS belched out this bit o' wisdom:

> You cola liars/idiots

Lie. We are not all liars. We are not all idiots.

> have to be challenged. For instance, you used to blab
> that Linux systems ran 50x faster than Windows systems. Why did you
> discontinue that particular piece of stupidity?

He stopped lying.

> First it was "does NOT translate into 60 million users" and now it's
> "definitely doubt". Just so you know, MS doesn't sell to end users. And
> just so you're clear, you don't know how many Vista systems have been sold.

Do you know? Do you have revenue numbers specific to Vista?

> Now it's time to admit you make up statements to support your anti-MS
> hatred. All Linux "advocates" on cola do it.

Lie.

>> I am in the Chain stores doing demonstrations with LiveCDs,
>
> This is too weird. Unless you're there as an official representative of a
> distro or hardware vendor - which is unlikely - it means you hover uninvited
> around the hardware, and when customers get near you launch into a bad Linux
> sales pitch, complete with all your lies. Then you try to force a LiveCD
> into their hand.

You seem to be fantasizing here.

> You cola idiots can't make a post without multiple lies, can you?

You may well be the biggest one in COLA at this moment, DFS. You're
deranged on the subject of COLA posters!

--
Tux rox!

Linonut <linonut.DeleteThis@bellsouth.net> says:

>After takin' a swig o' grog, DFS belched out this bit o' wisdom:

Isn't it time to put this particular bit of silliness to bed?

cordially, as always,

rm

"Linonut" <linonut.RemoveThis@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:slrnfat295.bt3.linonut@mlsrock.launchmodem.com...
>
> Do you know? Do you have revenue numbers specific to Vista?
>

The point that doofus fails to grasp is that with Microsoft, SHIPPED
licences are not the same thing at all as USED licences......we all know
that OEMs are contracted to take many more licences than they will ever sell
on....

"John Locke" <johnlocke98513.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:j18ta39d6a58dpe7s2289qm66c20p7399i@4ax.com...
>
> Here's a breakdown on market share taken from
> a sampling of 125,000 users:
>
> 81.82% Windows XP
> 4.82% Linux
> 4.27% Windows 2000
> 3.27% PPC
> 2.64% Mac OS X
> 1.55% Windows Vista
> 1.45% Unknown
> 0.09% Windows CE
> 0.09% Windows ME
>
> So if there's 980 million PCs running Windows,
> then 1.55 x 980 million = 15.19 million Vista installs.
>
> Somebody's sitting on 45 million licenses...somewhere...
> ...somewhere over the rainbow I think.
>
>


Yes - the OEMs. SHIPPED licences do NOT equate to an installed USER
base.....