[LONGISH] My Linux Journey

William Poaster wrote:

> Quack doesn't like losing an argument, & GS got the better of him. So he
> drags the argument into another thread. Another trooll tactic!

Nah, I keep niggling him about how much trouble he had installing ubuntu. He
obviously got a bit upset.

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It was on, or about, Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:57:11 +1000, that as I was
halfway through a large jam doughnut, Gregory Shearman wrote:

> Hadron wrote:
>
>> Wrong. Gregory came butting in saying that Linux WAS ready 10 years ago
>> for the average desktop.
>
> Stop lying, Quark.

Told you, he's got poor reading ability & comprehension.

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Hadron wrote:

> Gregory Shearman <ZekeGregory DeleteThis @netscape.net> writes:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> Let me explain : in one thread we have Mr Shearman telling me I'm too
>>> stupid and that Linux was "ready" 10 years ago for the average
>>> desktop. It doesn't take a genius to work out "average desktop" means
>>> "desktop for the average person" or thereabouts. In another thread we
>>> have the findings of a new recruit who reckons 5 years ago it wasn't
>>> ready and listed why. So, I bring the two together to compare and
>>> contrast. It's not illegal to open ones mind and compare evidence you
>>> know.
>>
>> Fuck off Quark.
>
> Nailed eh Greg?
>
>>
>> I used Redhat on my desktop 10 years ago and it was a hell of a lot
>> better
>
> Yes, do did a load of others.
>
> We are not talking about bearded buffoons. We are talking about the
> average desktop user. You know : in offices and things.

You don't get to decide what "we" are talking about.
Are your arms getting tired from moving those goalposts yet again?

> How stupid can you be? I mean really. The man who thinks his Granny
> should read the nntp protocol. Idiot.

More misrepresentation of my articles and insults.... pushed your buttons
again eh Quark?

I don't have a living granny, but I'm of an age to be a grandfather. Too bad
you can't even get Ubuntu working properly without lots of whining.


>> than the Windows it replaced. It took knowledge of your machine to get it
>> installed. Where do you get off misquoting me as saying it was ready for
>> the "average desktop" or whatever?
>
> You did. You argued against my statement that it wasn't ready for the
> average desktop.

Of course I did. What would YOU know? You are a newbie to linux.
I've been USING it.

>> You are becoming humourless. I suggest another holiday from this
>> newsgroup. Do us all a favour.
>
> Who is "us"? You and the other Roybot shills and yes men?

Yes.

>> BTW, I still remember your whining about how hard it was to install
>> ubuntu.
>
> You do? Where? What I said was that I couldnt get HW acceleration
> working. I had to buy a new Video card. I also said I had hell of a
> problem with sound. It now works - generally. AC97. Google it up loser
> boy. I also had to buy a new printer and scanner. I also then posted a
> longg advocacy post about a new installation and how I partitioned my
> disks. With facts. Not the bleating sheep "advocacy" that you seem to
> enjoy so much.

More whining about video and sound. Get over it or go back to something more
suited to your level of competency..... like a DVD player.

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Hadron wrote:

> Gregory Shearman <ZekeGregory RemoveThis @netscape.net> writes:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> AB <fardblossom RemoveThis @gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 2007-07-25, William Poaster <wp RemoveThis @kubuntu704-1.eu> claimed:
>>>>
>>>>> Like Quack knows, he's only been using it for TWO years.
>>>>> The idiot's blowing it out of his arse again.
>>>>
>>>> I doubt he even used linux thatlong, Unless maybe he means _dog_
>>>> years.
>>>
>>> hahahahahha. Good one. Really funny.
>>>
>>> You guys crack me up.
>>>
>>> About one in a thousand using Linux on their desktop and you still
>>> refuse to acknowledge it had "acceptance" issues.
>>>
>>> It was a DOG to install and you know it.
>>
>> Used to take me about 1 hour to install Redhat 6.1.
>>
>> What would YOU know... you have trouble installing trouble-free ubuntu.
>>
>>> Now is different because people with an open mind, like Shuttleworth,
>>> came in, acknowledged the issues and FIXED THEM.
>>
>> What a guy! He can have my baby!
>
> That answer sums you up for the complete and utter toss pot that you
> are. Well done. You don't even acknowledge what he has done. Instead you
> ridicule him.

Rubbish. Lighten up, Quark. What a dour whining creature you've become.

If I'm going to acknowledge anyone it would be Linus Torvalds and Daniel
Robbins. I don't have anything to do with ubuntu.

If he's YOUR god then YOU worship him.

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Hadron wrote:

> Wrong. Gregory came butting in saying that Linux WAS ready 10 years ago
> for the average desktop.

Stop lying, Quark.

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William Poaster wrote:

> It was on, or about, Sat, 28 Jul 2007 00:04:57 +1000, that as I was
> halfway through a large jam doughnut, Gregory Shearman wrote:
>
>> William Poaster wrote:
>>
>>> Quack doesn't like losing an argument, & GS got the better of him. So
>>> he drags the argument into another thread. Another trooll tactic!
>>
>> Nah, I keep niggling him about how much trouble he had installing
>> ubuntu. He obviously got a bit upset.
>
> Um, yeah, but isn't he some sort of "expert"? He claims he's been using
> linux for two years....
>

Well, he's been whining about linux for 2 years....
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William Poaster wrote:

> It was on, or about, Fri, 27 Jul 2007 23:50:15 +1000, that as I was
> halfway through a large jam doughnut, Gregory Shearman wrote:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> I agree "today" it generally works. We were talking about 10 years ago.
>>> But apparently "it all worked" for you. Frankly I dont believe you
>>> unless you had very "special" HW.
>>
>> Ohhh.. VERY special... Pentium 1 64M memory...
>
> IIRC mine was on a 486DX with 32MB RAM.
>

Ah... old hardware! The favourite of linux!

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Hadron wrote:

> Gregory Shearman <ZekeGregory.DeleteThis@netscape.net> writes:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> I agree "today" it generally works. We were talking about 10 years
>>> ago. But apparently "it all worked" for you. Frankly I dont believe you
>>> unless you had very "special" HW.
>>
>> Ohhh.. VERY special... Pentium 1 64M memory...
>
> Aha, So you did. You had totally outdated HW.

No, entry level for the time except for the memory... I added more.

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After takin' a swig o' grog, Darth Chaos belched out this bit o' wisdom:

> Well, those early microcomputers (I assume you're talking about the
> early ones like the Atari 400/800/XL/XE and the Commodore VIC-20/C-64)
> were really glorified video game machines which could also be used for
> basic computing tasks (such as word processing and spreadsheets), but
> they were mainly used to play video games (and game software piracy,
> too <g>). Come on, admit it, most of you guys who owned C-64s and the
> 1541 floppy drive back in the day engaged in some game software
> piracy.

It sure was rampant in the Atari club!

And a lot of guys just wanted a copy just so they could say they had a
massive collection of software -- most of which went unused, AFAIK.

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Darth Chaos <DarthChaosofRSPW RemoveThis @gmail.com> writes:

> Oh I had both Atari-made cassette tape drives (the first-generation
> Atari 410 and the 2nd-generation Atari 1010) as well as the Commodore
> Datasette Drive for the C-64. I had an Atari 600XL back in the
> day.....designed like an Atari 1200XL, but unlike the 1200XL, the
> 600XL's keyboard was piss-poor and had 1/4th the RAM. But my game
> collection picked up big time when I got my C-64 hooked up to Quantum
> Link (remember Q-Link, guys?)...with a blazing-fast 1200 baud modem
> (blazing-fast for those days).
>
> I still have an old Atari 800 computer. Those things were solidly
> built like frickin' tanks. Of course I use it more as a glorified

I had the 800xl but I quite like the original - great keyboards!

> video game like it were an Atari 5200 (same technology without the
> 5200's shoddy controllers). But they had some great games on it.
>
> But yeah, I remember software piracy on the C-64. In fact, I used to
> do my fair share of game "trading" on the C-64...managed to get Maniac
> Mansion that way for free.
>

Heh. I hacked it myself. Downloaded the code from a speccy onto a z80
based Lynx and changed the display routines

Verily I say unto thee, that SomeBloke spake thusly:
> Halfwit Hardon wrote:
>> SomeBloke <stuff DeleteThis @stuff.com> writes:

>>> working with applications I had never heard of. My scanner didn't work
>>> however and my printer, at that time an Epson Stylus ColorIIs would only
>>> print basic files but it worked!
>>>
>>> My modem was a problem. I bought an external serial modem and then I had
>>> a connection to the internet as well. No broadband in Cornwall at that
>>> time so I was stuck on dial-up. No matter I had a connection.
>>>
>> Gregory Shearman says you are either stupid or a liar. He says Linux was
>> ready for the average desktop 10 years ago. Really.

So are you claiming that Windows 95/98 never had any problems with modem
drivers?

I remember several mind-numbingly stupid issues, where e.g. modem
activity would lock up and/or BSOD Win9x, networking went up and down
like a yo-yo, and every time you restarted the machine you ended up with
"Modem #3", "Modem #4" ad infinitum in the control panel - modems
section, because of Windows' brain-dead hardware enumeration (which it
still suffers from even today, ref: the USB stack and others).

And was this just one problematic machine? Hardly - it's pretty much
every Windows machine I remember dealing with during that era.

So clearly, by your logic, Windows 9x was not ready for the Desktop 10
years ago.

>> So what is your opinion?

My opinion is that you're an idiot.

> I have had some horrors with various flavours of Windows as well. Hardware
> that just would not work, even with the correct drivers. Just recently
> after installing Microsofts own security updates the sound on my main
> system wouldn't work. I needed to download and install the latest drivers
> from Realtek to get sound back. It played havoc with CossacksII!
>
> And there are also Virii, Trojans and other assorted beasties that I just do
> not get with Linux. Don't you think so Hadron?

The Trolls like Straw Man arguments. They conveniently forget what a dog
Windows is with drivers, but rabidly jump all over any given Linux
problem like it's Armageddon. Just take a look in the Vista groups and
forums, and see how "ready for the Desktop" *Vista* is. LOL! Talk about
Armageddon!

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It was on, or about, Fri, 03 Aug 2007 20:10:23 +0100, that as I was
halfway through a large jam doughnut, [H]omer wrote:

> Verily I say unto thee, that SomeBloke spake thusly:
>> Halfwit Hardon wrote:
>>> SomeBloke <stuff DeleteThis @stuff.com> writes:
>
>>>> working with applications I had never heard of. My scanner didn't
>>>> work however and my printer, at that time an Epson Stylus ColorIIs
>>>> would only print basic files but it worked!
>>>>
>>>> My modem was a problem. I bought an external serial modem and then I
>>>> had a connection to the internet as well. No broadband in Cornwall at
>>>> that time so I was stuck on dial-up. No matter I had a connection.
>>>>
>>> Gregory Shearman says you are either stupid or a liar. He says Linux
>>> was ready for the average desktop 10 years ago. Really.

Perhaps the Halfwit Hadron can point out where Gregory Shearman actually
*said* this? Message-ID, date, etc..

> So are you claiming that Windows 95/98 never had any problems with modem
> drivers?
>
> I remember several mind-numbingly stupid issues, where e.g. modem
> activity would lock up and/or BSOD Win9x, networking went up and down
> like a yo-yo, and every time you restarted the machine you ended up with
> "Modem #3", "Modem #4" ad infinitum in the control panel - modems
> section, because of Windows' brain-dead hardware enumeration (which it
> still suffers from even today, ref: the USB stack and others).
>
> And was this just one problematic machine? Hardly - it's pretty much
> every Windows machine I remember dealing with during that era.
>
> So clearly, by your logic, Windows 9x was not ready for the Desktop 10
> years ago.
>
>>> So what is your opinion?
>
> My opinion is that you're an idiot.
>
>> I have had some horrors with various flavours of Windows as well.
>> Hardware that just would not work, even with the correct drivers. Just
>> recently after installing Microsofts own security updates the sound on
>> my main system wouldn't work. I needed to download and install the
>> latest drivers from Realtek to get sound back. It played havoc with
>> CossacksII!
>>
>> And there are also Virii, Trojans and other assorted beasties that I
>> just do not get with Linux. Don't you think so Hadron?
>
> The Trolls like Straw Man arguments. They conveniently forget what a dog
> Windows is with drivers, but rabidly jump all over any given Linux
> problem like it's Armageddon. Just take a look in the Vista groups and
> forums, and see how "ready for the Desktop" *Vista* is. LOL! Talk about
> Armageddon!

Windows Vista unreadiness revealed -
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/07/26/windows_vista_drivers/
Federal agency bans Microsoft Vista -
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17739772/
Vista -arrogance & stupidity -
http://www.aaxnet.com/editor/edit043.html
Vista Vs Ubuntu:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPecBxM2f6c
Install Vista in 2 minutes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVbf9tOGwno
Laugh at vista!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkeC7HpsHxo&NR=1
M$ Software Assurance is a lot like white-washing fences:
http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/17800?docid=9779


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William Poaster wrote:

>>>> Gregory Shearman says you are either stupid or a liar. He says Linux
>>>> was ready for the average desktop 10 years ago. Really.
>
> Perhaps the Halfwit Hadron can point out where Gregory Shearman actually
> said this? Message-ID, date, etc..

I never said it. Quark made it up, as he usually does. What I actually said
was that I had no trouble installing Redhat 5.0 and onwards. All you needed
was to know your machine really well, ie video card, monitor, etc....

Quark then misquoted me... how unusual!

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