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Since: Apr 24, 2007 Posts: 13
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:04 am
Post subject: [LONGISH] My Linux Journey Archived from groups: comp>os>linux>advocacy (more info?)
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Up until 2002 I was a dedicated Windows user. It hadn't always been so. My
first computer was a Sinclair ZX81, then a Spectrum and finally I migrated
to a Sinclair QL. The amount of money these cost to buy and upgrade was
frightening even at the time. I had heard a lot about PC's and in 1992 I
bought one. A 386 with 4MB Ram and a 26MB Hard drive, it came with Windows
3.0 and I experimented with it until it broke. It broke frequently so I
learned to reinstall it frequently. Then came a succession of increasingly
powerful machines, 166Mhz, 750Mhz, 1.25Ghz until now I have a 2.5Ghz
machine with 1GByte of Ram, 2 x 500Ghz SATA drives, multiformat dual-layer
DVD drive, and all the toys that go with it (Printers, scanner, card reader
etc), and a development machine with almost exact specs.
The operating systems on these systems were always Windows, after all what
else was there? I had migrated to Windows 2000 Pro and that worked well
enough. Then in 2002 the British magazine PCPlus gave away the SOT Linux
distro on their cover disk. I was curious so I installed it on a partition
on my hard drive. This was a major disappointment. I couldn't get it to do
anything and I was stuck on the command line with no idea what to do. So I
got rid of it. Six months later PCPLus gave away Mandrake 8.0. I tried
again. What a revelation. It installed no problem and suddenly I had KDE
working with applications I had never heard of. My scanner didn't work
however and my printer, at that time an Epson Stylus ColorIIs would only
print basic files but it worked!
My modem was a problem. I bought an external serial modem and then I had a
connection to the internet as well. No broadband in Cornwall at that time
so I was stuck on dial-up. No matter I had a connection.
Since then I have gradually upgraded my Mandrake version until now I run
Mandriva 2007.1 Spring. Every piece of hardware I use works and works well
with no problems. With a broadband connection through a router and a switch
I connect 4 PC's, a print server(with 2 printers connected) and a 250GByte
NAS server. Samba supplies my networking needs, OpenOffice for necessary
business stuff and Kontact for email, newsreader and RSS news feeds from
the BBC and Slashdot, and there is so much more available.
I still use Windows, all be it a LOT less than I used to. I use Lazarus, an
Object Pascal RAD and develop apps for both platforms. Java is no problem
on Linux, Netbeans and Eclipse work well and even faster for me in Mandriva
than Windows XP.
My wife is resistant to changing over to Linux though. She knows what she is
used to and that is what she wants. I keep mentioning Ubuntu 'Feisty Fawn'
and show her it running on my development system but so far no go. Time is
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Since: Apr 10, 2007 Posts: 406
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:04 am
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 12:04:42 +0100, SomeBloke <stuff.TakeThisOut@stuff.com> wrote:
>Up until 2002 I was a dedicated Windows user. It hadn't always been so. My
>first computer was a Sinclair ZX81, then a Spectrum and finally I migrated
>to a Sinclair QL. The amount of money these cost to buy and upgrade was
>frightening even at the time. I had heard a lot about PC's and in 1992 I
>bought one. A 386 with 4MB Ram and a 26MB Hard drive, it came with Windows
>3.0 and I experimented with it until it broke. It broke frequently so I
>learned to reinstall it frequently. Then came a succession of increasingly
>powerful machines, 166Mhz, 750Mhz, 1.25Ghz until now I have a 2.5Ghz
>machine with 1GByte of Ram, 2 x 500Ghz SATA drives, multiformat dual-layer
>DVD drive, and all the toys that go with it (Printers, scanner, card reader
>etc), and a development machine with almost exact specs.
>
>The operating systems on these systems were always Windows, after all what
>else was there? I had migrated to Windows 2000 Pro and that worked well
>enough. Then in 2002 the British magazine PCPlus gave away the SOT Linux
>distro on their cover disk. I was curious so I installed it on a partition
>on my hard drive. This was a major disappointment. I couldn't get it to do
>anything and I was stuck on the command line with no idea what to do. So I
>got rid of it. Six months later PCPLus gave away Mandrake 8.0. I tried
>again. What a revelation. It installed no problem and suddenly I had KDE
>working with applications I had never heard of. My scanner didn't work
>however and my printer, at that time an Epson Stylus ColorIIs would only
>print basic files but it worked!
>
>My modem was a problem. I bought an external serial modem and then I had a
>connection to the internet as well. No broadband in Cornwall at that time
>so I was stuck on dial-up. No matter I had a connection.
>
>Since then I have gradually upgraded my Mandrake version until now I run
>Mandriva 2007.1 Spring. Every piece of hardware I use works and works well
>with no problems. With a broadband connection through a router and a switch
>I connect 4 PC's, a print server(with 2 printers connected) and a 250GByte
>NAS server. Samba supplies my networking needs, OpenOffice for necessary
>business stuff and Kontact for email, newsreader and RSS news feeds from
>the BBC and Slashdot, and there is so much more available.
>
>I still use Windows, all be it a LOT less than I used to. I use Lazarus, an
>Object Pascal RAD and develop apps for both platforms. Java is no problem
>on Linux, Netbeans and Eclipse work well and even faster for me in Mandriva
>than Windows XP.
>
>My wife is resistant to changing over to Linux though. She knows what she is
>used to and that is what she wants. I keep mentioning Ubuntu 'Feisty Fawn'
>and show her it running on my development system but so far no go. Time is
>on my side however, time is on my side.
>
Sounds like Linux is working out well for you.
I had the same problem with my wife. Then one day, by the hand of God I think,
my primary XP machine went belly up with a failed motherboard.
The power supply on my XP backup machine had failed a few days earlier
and was awaiting a new power unit from newegg.
So with both XP machines out of service, she had no choice but to sit down and
use the Ubuntu machine. I setup her email account on Evolution and loaded her
digital photos and documents from backup. Now she owns the machine. She's even
learning how to use Gimp. I had to build another machine for testing Linux
because I'm no longer allowed to tamper with her "baby". End of story.
Hope I'm not giving you any diabolic ideas.....good luck to you. |
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Since: Apr 10, 2007 Posts: 133
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:03 am
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:35:47 +0200, Hadron wrote:
> SomeBloke <stuff DeleteThis @stuff.com> writes:
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>> working with applications I had never heard of. My scanner didn't work
>> however and my printer, at that time an Epson Stylus ColorIIs would
>> only print basic files but it worked!
>>
>> My modem was a problem. I bought an external serial modem and then I
>> had a connection to the internet as well. No broadband in Cornwall at
>> that time so I was stuck on dial-up. No matter I had a connection.
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>>
> Gregory Shearman says you are either stupid or a liar. He says Linux was
> ready for the average desktop 10 years ago. Really.
>
> So what is your opinion?
>
> 1) It was ready 10 years ago
> 2) it wasn't really ready 5 years ago either 3) It was ready 5 years ago
> and you are too dumb to make it work back then
> 4) Gregory is full of it
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> I opt for 2) and 4).
What is your problem, jerk? The post you replied to didn't say anything
like Linux was ready for the average desktop 10 years and he didn't
mention Gregory Sherman.
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Since: Jul 17, 2007 Posts: 237
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:35 am
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SomeBloke <stuff.RemoveThis@stuff.com> writes:
> working with applications I had never heard of. My scanner didn't work
> however and my printer, at that time an Epson Stylus ColorIIs would only
> print basic files but it worked!
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> My modem was a problem. I bought an external serial modem and then I had a
> connection to the internet as well. No broadband in Cornwall at that time
> so I was stuck on dial-up. No matter I had a connection.
>
Gregory Shearman says you are either stupid or a liar. He says Linux was
ready for the average desktop 10 years ago. Really.
So what is your opinion?
1) It was ready 10 years ago
2) it wasn't really ready 5 years ago either
3) It was ready 5 years ago and you are too dumb to make it work back
then
4) Gregory is full of it
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Since: Apr 24, 2007 Posts: 13
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:35 am
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Hadron wrote:
> SomeBloke <stuff.RemoveThis@stuff.com> writes:
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>> working with applications I had never heard of. My scanner didn't work
>> however and my printer, at that time an Epson Stylus ColorIIs would only
>> print basic files but it worked!
>>
>> My modem was a problem. I bought an external serial modem and then I had
>> a connection to the internet as well. No broadband in Cornwall at that
>> time so I was stuck on dial-up. No matter I had a connection.
>>
>
> Gregory Shearman says you are either stupid or a liar. He says Linux was
> ready for the average desktop 10 years ago. Really.
>
> So what is your opinion?
>
> 1) It was ready 10 years ago
> 2) it wasn't really ready 5 years ago either
> 3) It was ready 5 years ago and you are too dumb to make it work back
> then
> 4) Gregory is full of it
>
> I opt for 2) and 4).
Never met Gregory Shearman so I won't comment on his opinion.
My opinion is that I didn't know about Linux 10 years ago and furthermore if
I had first chosen Mandrake instead of SOT Linux I may well have had a
better initial experience.
I have had some horrors with various flavours of Windows as well. Hardware
that just would not work, even with the correct drivers. Just recently
after installing Microsofts own security updates the sound on my main
system wouldn't work. I needed to download and install the latest drivers
from Realtek to get sound back. It played havoc with CossacksII!
And there are also Virii, Trojans and other assorted beasties that I just do
not get with Linux. Don't you think so Hadron? |
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Since: Jul 17, 2007 Posts: 237
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:11 am
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SomeBloke <stuff.DeleteThis@stuff.com> writes:
> Hadron wrote:
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>> SomeBloke <stuff.DeleteThis@stuff.com> writes:
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>>> working with applications I had never heard of. My scanner didn't work
>>> however and my printer, at that time an Epson Stylus ColorIIs would only
>>> print basic files but it worked!
>>>
>>> My modem was a problem. I bought an external serial modem and then I had
>>> a connection to the internet as well. No broadband in Cornwall at that
>>> time so I was stuck on dial-up. No matter I had a connection.
>>>
>>
>> Gregory Shearman says you are either stupid or a liar. He says Linux was
>> ready for the average desktop 10 years ago. Really.
>>
>> So what is your opinion?
>>
>> 1) It was ready 10 years ago
>> 2) it wasn't really ready 5 years ago either
>> 3) It was ready 5 years ago and you are too dumb to make it work back
>> then
>> 4) Gregory is full of it
>>
>> I opt for 2) and 4).
>
> Never met Gregory Shearman so I won't comment on his opinion.
>
> My opinion is that I didn't know about Linux 10 years ago and furthermore if
> I had first chosen Mandrake instead of SOT Linux I may well have had a
> better initial experience.
>
> I have had some horrors with various flavours of Windows as well. Hardware
> that just would not work, even with the correct drivers. Just recently
> after installing Microsofts own security updates the sound on my main
> system wouldn't work. I needed to download and install the latest drivers
> from Realtek to get sound back. It played havoc with CossacksII!
>
> And there are also Virii, Trojans and other assorted beasties that I just do
> not get with Linux. Don't you think so Hadron?
Linux is a far better platform than Windows. In terms of stability and
security, scalability and overall architecture.
Unfortunately most of the application SW lets it down. Most is simply
poor mans copies of commercial Windows products with a "well its free,
I'll fix it when I'm ready" type of support. Most "copy cat" apps end up
getting mothballed or recopied thus diluting the development efforts in
many instances.
There is some great Linux SW - Gimp & Amarok to name two. But Gimp is
also for windows. Linux is way behind in terms of PDA support and Phone
synchronization. A recent Ubuntu upgrade killed my ability to sync my
Sony Eriksson phone using bluetooth conduit with multisync and
evolution. Cue the "works for me" claims.
Linux multimedia is still second rate and its reliance on openGL has
left it way behind in terms of supporting modern games which are
invariably in Direct X. Yes, Beryl is impressive, but really, so what?
The multimedia can improve. For games houses to switch to OGL they need
to see an uptake of Linux on the home desktop. I dont see this happening
unfortunately. Without support at home I cant see it gaining the
desktop. No matter what the ostriches in COLA seem to claim. |
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Since: Jul 17, 2007 Posts: 237
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:14 am
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Rick <none.DeleteThis@nomail.com> writes:
> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:35:47 +0200, Hadron wrote:
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>> SomeBloke <stuff.DeleteThis@stuff.com> writes:
>>
>>> working with applications I had never heard of. My scanner didn't work
>>> however and my printer, at that time an Epson Stylus ColorIIs would
>>> only print basic files but it worked!
>>>
>>> My modem was a problem. I bought an external serial modem and then I
>>> had a connection to the internet as well. No broadband in Cornwall at
>>> that time so I was stuck on dial-up. No matter I had a connection.
>>>
>>>
>> Gregory Shearman says you are either stupid or a liar. He says Linux was
>> ready for the average desktop 10 years ago. Really.
>>
>> So what is your opinion?
>>
>> 1) It was ready 10 years ago
>> 2) it wasn't really ready 5 years ago either 3) It was ready 5 years ago
>> and you are too dumb to make it work back then
>> 4) Gregory is full of it
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>> I opt for 2) and 4).
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> What is your problem, jerk? The post you replied to didn't say anything
> like Linux was ready for the average desktop 10 years and he didn't
> mention Gregory Sherman.
It's fairly simple. At the same time, Gregory is stating that Linux WAS
ready 10 years ago. This guy seems to agree with me and disagree with
Gregory. I am bringing the threads together for a frank exchange of
views. I want to see how Gregory's claims hold out in the face of real
"Joe Public" experience. Not too well it would appear. Especially since
my experience of installing Linux 5-10 years ago pretty much bears out
what the OP here said.
And the name's Hadron. Or Hardon if you prefer. |
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Since: May 04, 2007 Posts: 179
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:16 am
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It was on, or about, Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:19:01 +0100, that as I was
halfway through a large jam doughnut, SomeBloke wrote:
> Hadron wrote:
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>> SomeBloke <stuff.DeleteThis@stuff.com> writes:
>>
>>> working with applications I had never heard of. My scanner didn't work
>>> however and my printer, at that time an Epson Stylus ColorIIs would
>>> only print basic files but it worked!
>>>
>>> My modem was a problem. I bought an external serial modem and then I
>>> had a connection to the internet as well. No broadband in Cornwall at
>>> that time so I was stuck on dial-up. No matter I had a connection.
>>>
>>>
>> Gregory Shearman says you are either stupid or a liar. He says Linux
>> was ready for the average desktop 10 years ago. Really.
>>
>> So what is your opinion?
>>
>> 1) It was ready 10 years ago
>> 2) it wasn't really ready 5 years ago either 3) It was ready 5 years
>> ago and you are too dumb to make it work back then
>> 4) Gregory is full of it
>>
>> I opt for 2) and 4).
>
> Never met Gregory Shearman so I won't comment on his opinion.
>
> My opinion is that I didn't know about Linux 10 years ago and
> furthermore if I had first chosen Mandrake instead of SOT Linux I may
> well have had a better initial experience.
>
> I have had some horrors with various flavours of Windows as well.
> Hardware that just would not work, even with the correct drivers. Just
> recently after installing Microsofts own security updates the sound on
> my main system wouldn't work. I needed to download and install the
> latest drivers from Realtek to get sound back. It played havoc with
> CossacksII!
>
> And there are also Virii, Trojans and other assorted beasties that I
> just do not get with Linux. Don't you think so Hadron?
"Hadron" is a troll, you can safely ignore what he says. He claims to be
a linux advocate, in fact he's a quack, a charlatan.
See: http://colatrolls.blogspot.com/2007/01/hadron-quark-troll.html
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Since: Apr 11, 2007 Posts: 321
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:22 am
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> SomeBloke <stuff.RemoveThis@stuff.com> writes:
> Oh, and seamless installation.
If "seamless" installation is a requirement for an OS to be ready for
the average desktop, then MS-Windows isn't ready for the average
desktop.
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Since: Apr 10, 2007 Posts: 133
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:59 pm
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:14:46 +0200, Hadron wrote:
> Rick <none.TakeThisOut@nomail.com> writes:
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>> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:35:47 +0200, Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> SomeBloke <stuff.TakeThisOut@stuff.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> working with applications I had never heard of. My scanner didn't
>>>> work however and my printer, at that time an Epson Stylus ColorIIs
>>>> would only print basic files but it worked!
>>>>
>>>> My modem was a problem. I bought an external serial modem and then I
>>>> had a connection to the internet as well. No broadband in Cornwall at
>>>> that time so I was stuck on dial-up. No matter I had a connection.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Gregory Shearman says you are either stupid or a liar. He says Linux
>>> was ready for the average desktop 10 years ago. Really.
>>>
>>> So what is your opinion?
>>>
>>> 1) It was ready 10 years ago
>>> 2) it wasn't really ready 5 years ago either 3) It was ready 5 years
>>> ago and you are too dumb to make it work back then 4) Gregory is full
>>> of it
>>>
>>> I opt for 2) and 4).
>>
>> What is your problem, jerk? The post you replied to didn't say anything
>> like Linux was ready for the average desktop 10 years and he didn't
>> mention Gregory Sherman.
>
> It's fairly simple. At the same time, Gregory is stating that Linux WAS
> ready 10 years ago. This guy seems to agree with me and disagree with
> Gregory. I am bringing the threads together for a frank exchange of
> views.
.... then you should have changed the thread subject.
> I want to see how Gregory's claims hold out in the face of real
> "Joe Public" experience.
How do you know SomeBloke read Gregory's posts?
> Not too well it would appear. Especially since
> my experience of installing Linux 5-10 years ago pretty much bears out
> what the OP here said.
Makes no difference. Installing Linux 10 years ago wasn't the point of
SomeBloke's post.
>
> And the name's Hadron. Or Hardon if you prefer.
I don't care what you call yourself, jerk. BTW, jerk refers to what you
are, not who you are. And I assume you don't care what I prefer, since
you are still posting here.
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Since: Jul 17, 2007 Posts: 237
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:33 pm
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Rick <none.DeleteThis@nomail.com> writes:
> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:14:46 +0200, Hadron wrote:
>
>> Rick <none.DeleteThis@nomail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:35:47 +0200, Hadron wrote:
>>>
>>>> SomeBloke <stuff.DeleteThis@stuff.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> working with applications I had never heard of. My scanner didn't
>>>>> work however and my printer, at that time an Epson Stylus ColorIIs
>>>>> would only print basic files but it worked!
>>>>>
>>>>> My modem was a problem. I bought an external serial modem and then I
>>>>> had a connection to the internet as well. No broadband in Cornwall at
>>>>> that time so I was stuck on dial-up. No matter I had a connection.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Gregory Shearman says you are either stupid or a liar. He says Linux
>>>> was ready for the average desktop 10 years ago. Really.
>>>>
>>>> So what is your opinion?
>>>>
>>>> 1) It was ready 10 years ago
>>>> 2) it wasn't really ready 5 years ago either 3) It was ready 5 years
>>>> ago and you are too dumb to make it work back then 4) Gregory is full
>>>> of it
>>>>
>>>> I opt for 2) and 4).
>>>
>>> What is your problem, jerk? The post you replied to didn't say anything
>>> like Linux was ready for the average desktop 10 years and he didn't
>>> mention Gregory Sherman.
>>
>> It's fairly simple. At the same time, Gregory is stating that Linux WAS
>> ready 10 years ago. This guy seems to agree with me and disagree with
>> Gregory. I am bringing the threads together for a frank exchange of
>> views.
>
> ... then you should have changed the thread subject.
>
>> I want to see how Gregory's claims hold out in the face of real
>> "Joe Public" experience.
>
> How do you know SomeBloke read Gregory's posts?
I didnt- I just repeated Greg's claim. Sorry, if that is "illegal".
>
>> Not too well it would appear. Especially since
>> my experience of installing Linux 5-10 years ago pretty much bears out
>> what the OP here said.
>
> Makes no difference. Installing Linux 10 years ago wasn't the point of
> SomeBloke's post.
Actually it was. He was talking about how it didnt work for him 5 years
ago. I found that interesting keeping in mind that, according to Greg
(and now you), Linux "just worked" 10 years ago. Now, who is lying? It
aint me or "somebloke".
>
>>
>> And the name's Hadron. Or Hardon if you prefer.
>
> I don't care what you call yourself, jerk. BTW, jerk refers to what you
> are, not who you are. And I assume you don't care what I prefer, since
> you are still posting here.
You are a lightweight. You cant argue your corner. You resort to attacks
and lies. But then, you always have done so.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:44 pm
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On 2007-07-25, William Poaster <wp.RemoveThis@kubuntu704-1.eu> claimed:
> Like Quack knows, he's only been using it for TWO years.
> The idiot's blowing it out of his arse again.
I doubt he even used linux thatlong, Unless maybe he means _dog_ years.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:36 am
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Jim Richardson <warlock RemoveThis @eskimo.com> writes:
> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:38:54 +0200,
> Hadron <hadronquark RemoveThis @googlemail.com> wrote:
>> SomeBloke <stuff RemoveThis @stuff.com> writes:
>
>> Oh, and seamless installation.
>
>
>
> If "seamless" installation is a requirement for an OS to be ready for
> the average desktop, then MS-Windows isn't ready for the average
> desktop.
As I pointed out in another post
1) Windows was reasily installed. Sorry, but having extra CDs didnt make
it difficult.
2) Most people never had to bother as it was pre-installed.
My point which a few zealots choose not to see, is that because Linux
didnt come pre-installed then it *had* to be easy to install or no one
would bother.
Windows has never been "difficult" to install : tiresome and boring ,
maybe. But all HW I ever bought always came with drivers on disk.
I must admit I never quite understood the automatic SW update thingy in
Windows - why didnt it find UDB drivers, new video drivers etc?
The synaptic interface in Ubuntu is far superior. |
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:52 am
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Rick <none DeleteThis @nomail.com> writes:
> On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:26:16 +0200, Hadron wrote:
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>> Err, correct.
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> Really? Duh.
Yes. hence I bought them together. Is it too much for poor little Rick's
head to cope with??
Let me explain : in one thread we have Mr Shearman telling me I'm too
stupid and that Linux was "ready" 10 years ago for the average
desktop. It doesn't take a genius to work out "average desktop" means
"desktop for the average person" or thereabouts. In another thread we
have the findings of a new recruit who reckons 5 years ago it wasn't
ready and listed why. So, I bring the two together to compare and
contrast. It's not illegal to open ones mind and compare evidence you
know.
There, I hope that helps your thought process a little.
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>>>> It wasn't. NOW it is. THAT is advocacy.
>>>
>>> I see. It is advocacy because YOU say so.
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>> Yes.
>
> You really are that stupid ...
Its advocacy because its making a point that liars are not tolerated and
that the reality of the CURRENT Linux situation can get it places.
Bold face lying, like you do, and claiming Linux was ready 10 years ago
just alienates potential new users because they understand this to mean
that Linux is THE SAME as ten years ago when we claim it is ready
now. Comprende?
It IS ready now. It was NOT ready 10 years ago.
If it was ready 10 years ago, then there would have been a far greater
uptake.
I ask you again : if it was so "ready" why have the big distros put so
much time and effort into including binary drivers, making the installs
so easy, facilitating dual boot install, including more HW coverage etc?
I know. See if you can guess.
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>>>> Lying and cheating is not.
>>>>
>>>> it's not against the law to correlate between different threads you
>>>> know.
>>>
>>> Do it properly.
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>> I did.
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> You did not.
>
>> What was Wrong? Oh I see.
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> You didn't change the thread subject, jerk.
I don't change thread subjects. In fact, doing so pisses people off
since they might have the thread killed on subject.
>
>> You answered before you read my entire
>> post. How embarrassing for you.
>
> I can see how you might be embarrassed, but I am not, and there is no
> reason for me to be embarrassed.
Ignorance must be bliss for you. You're behaving like a little
child. You don't make the rules about what can be brought into a thread
- Mark Kent does. I know. He keeps telling us.
So, call me "Jerk" again - it'll make you feel better. |
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Since: Jul 17, 2007 Posts: 237
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:58 am
Post subject: Re: [LONGISH] My Linux Journey [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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AB <fardblossom DeleteThis @gmail.com> writes:
> On 2007-07-25, William Poaster <wp DeleteThis @kubuntu704-1.eu> claimed:
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>> Like Quack knows, he's only been using it for TWO years.
>> The idiot's blowing it out of his arse again.
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> I doubt he even used linux thatlong, Unless maybe he means _dog_
> years.
hahahahahha. Good one. Really funny.
You guys crack me up.
About one in a thousand using Linux on their desktop and you still
refuse to acknowledge it had "acceptance" issues.
It was a DOG to install and you know it.
Now is different because people with an open mind, like Shuttleworth,
came in, acknowledged the issues and FIXED THEM.
You guys are as likely to attract people to Linux as a Shark is to
encourage people in for a swim. |
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