Digg spurns Google for young Microsoft ..

____/ Oldtech on Thursday 26 July 2007 12:28 : \____

> Doug Mentohl wrote:
>> "We at Digg couldn't think of a better partner to get to where we need
>> to go,"
>>
>> "They're a young ad service, they're innovative, they're willing to work
>> with us on the cutting edge."
>>
>> http://snipurl.com/1os5r
>>
http://www.smh.com.au/news/Technology/Digg-fires-Google-hires-Microsof...or-onli
>>
>>
> They followed the money. "More is better!" Microsoft has the best
> 'partners' money can buy! After the 'partners' are used up, Microsoft
> finds new ones. "Dog eat Dog world", you know.

Digg has _a lot_ of content that slams Microsoft, promotes Linux, hails Apple,
and so forth. Microsoft would love to have some control over parts of these
pages.

Digg is no place for Microsoft fans. Digg is a place where technologists reside
and they see (and know) beyond that kissie-kissie Bill Gates stuff that
invaded mainstream press.

Rest assured Microsoft will pollute Digg with its disinformation. I have
written to their staff about it, so hopefully someone will take notice.

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On 2007-07-26, Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups RemoveThis @schestowitz.com> wrote:
>
> Digg has _a lot_ of content that slams Microsoft, promotes Linux, hails Apple,
> and so forth. Microsoft would love to have some control over parts of these
> pages.
>
> Digg is no place for Microsoft fans. Digg is a place where technologists reside
> and they see (and know) beyond that kissie-kissie Bill Gates stuff that
> invaded mainstream press.
>
> Rest assured Microsoft will pollute Digg with its disinformation. I have
> written to their staff about it, so hopefully someone will take notice.

For advertising space I would agree with you but how is Microsoft going
to censor people's opinions?
If anything, being officially involved with Digg, would be detrimental
to Microsoft *stuffing the ballot box* so to speak.
Microsoft would be better off hiring a herd of astroturfers to
seed Digg's discussions whilst distancing themselves from
Digg officially.
Don't get me wrong, I smell a rat, a big bloated rat that
wears funny glasses but I'm not sure how advertising space
would alter digg's opinion based content, ie:discussions.

____/ waterskidoo on Thursday 26 July 2007 16:58 : \____

> On 2007-07-26, Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups.DeleteThis@schestowitz.com> wrote:
>>
>> Digg has _a lot_ of content that slams Microsoft, promotes Linux, hails
>> Apple, and so forth. Microsoft would love to have some control over parts of
>> these pages.
>>
>> Digg is no place for Microsoft fans. Digg is a place where technologists
>> reside and they see (and know) beyond that kissie-kissie Bill Gates stuff
>> that invaded mainstream press.
>>
>> Rest assured Microsoft will pollute Digg with its disinformation. I have
>> written to their staff about it, so hopefully someone will take notice.
>
> For advertising space I would agree with you but how is Microsoft going
> to censor people's opinions?
> If anything, being officially involved with Digg, would be detrimental
> to Microsoft *stuffing the ballot box* so to speak.
> Microsoft would be better off hiring a herd of astroturfers to
> seed Digg's discussions whilst distancing themselves from
> Digg officially.
> Don't get me wrong, I smell a rat, a big bloated rat that
> wears funny glasses but I'm not sure how advertising space
> would alter digg's opinion based content, ie:discussions.

Some argue that Microsoft has been astroturfing Digg for about a year. This
drove away some regulars who like Free software. I'm still wondering who is
patient enough to go through ~50 comments of mine every day and mod them down
systematically. Unless they get paid, this takes a lot of perseverance.

....Not to mention someone who rated about 1500 of my messages in Google Group
to game the system and lower me from 4/5 to 2/5.

I don't think these people are with Microsoft (it's probably loyalty, not
finance), but Microsoft has been caught gaming polls in the past, using its
employees. It did not have to issue any 'orders', but it also does not control
its employees, who have been caught attacking bloggers anonymously.

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In article <3584079.spXTqKl70L RemoveThis @schestowitz.com>,
Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups RemoveThis @schestowitz.com> wrote:
> Some argue that Microsoft has been astroturfing Digg for about a year. This
> drove away some regulars who like Free software. I'm still wondering who is
> patient enough to go through ~50 comments of mine every day and mod them down
> systematically. Unless they get paid, this takes a lot of perseverance.

Writing a comment is more work and takes more time than than digging a
comment down (even pasting the same comment into two or three stories is
more work), so if digging down 50 comments a day is enough effort to
indicate someone is getting paid, then so is *posting* 50 comments a day.

So, who pays you to post 50 comments a day on Digg? You've been quick
to accuse others of being paid shills, so it is only fair that you
disclose who you are paid to shill for.

--
--Tim Smith

Verily I say unto thee, that Doug Mentohl spake thusly:
> "We at Digg couldn't think of a better partner to get to where we need
> to go,"
>
> "They're a young ad service, they're innovative, they're willing to work
> with us on the cutting edge."
>
> http://snipurl.com/1os5r
> http://www.smh.com.au/news/Technology/Digg-fires-Google-hires-Microsof...or-onli

Given the number of Microsoft Shills infesting Digg, this doesn't
surprise me at all.

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____/ [H]omer on Friday 27 July 2007 04:27 : \____

> Verily I say unto thee, that Doug Mentohl spake thusly:
>> "We at Digg couldn't think of a better partner to get to where we need
>> to go,"
>>
>> "They're a young ad service, they're innovative, they're willing to work
>> with us on the cutting edge."
>>
>> http://snipurl.com/1os5r
>>
http://www.smh.com.au/news/Technology/Digg-fires-Google-hires-Microsof...or-onli
>
> Given the number of Microsoft Shills infesting Digg, this doesn't
> surprise me at all.

When Digg opened a "Microsoft" section, the number of submissions on that topic
went through the roof and I was no longer able to track any Microsoft news
there. There were lots of 'Microsoft fan' blogs.

Who advocates monopoly abusers without payments or without the chance of
receiving rewards? Microsoft has been caught giving prizes to those who engage
in grassroots stuff, in which case it's simply astroturfing. Reward follows
action, not vice versa, but it's essentially the same. They give the
impression and send the message that they will share money with those who do
marketing in disguise.

Last year, when 'redhatcat' left Digg he said that the place was getting filled
with Microsoft shills. I think he said this in one of the threads where people
attacked me /ad hominem/ (it happens almost every day now).

When I came to think about it, the shills won in a way. I no longer submit many
stories that criticise or expose Microsoft. When I did, then quite
immediately, the 'usual suspects' would strike within minutes or hours. You
can find like 10-30 comments on Comes vs Microsoft submissions that never even
made the front page (they got buried beforehand). Many of them still have PR5,
so a simply Google search leads to them (like a gateway to a PDF that cannot
be interpreted).

Now, don't get me wrong... I have no problem with stories getting buried for
being SPAM, inaccurate, or whatever. In this case, I simply quoted Microsoft
from a newly-revealed court exhibit. People liked it. People Dugg this very
quickly. How can this be buried? Microsoft has already buried oneenstire Web
site. Thanks goodness we have mirrors of the case in Iowa (however partial
they may be, since Microsoft settled within weeks and some 'laundry'). Now we
just need all of this in textual form. There's just too much of that.

Look at the number of pages here:

http://antitrust.slated.org/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/3000/PX03096.pdf

That's just _one among thousands_. A lot of it is "criminal" material. Planet
Earth must see this. History needs it. This particular one that Nessuno pulled
a couple of weeks ago actually reached the attention of tens of thousands
(even if just the excerpt was read). I don't like the idea of Microsoft being
around Digg at this moment.

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On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:33:00 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:

> When I came to think about it, the shills won in a way. I no longer submit many
> stories that criticise or expose Microsoft. When I did, then quite
> immediately, the 'usual suspects' would strike within minutes or hours. You
> can find like 10-30 comments on Comes vs Microsoft submissions that never even
> made the front page (they got buried beforehand). Many of them still have PR5,
> so a simply Google search leads to them (like a gateway to a PDF that cannot
> be interpreted).

No, Roy. You are completely dense and unable to comprehend the truth.

The fact of the matter is, you made enemies on Digg. Lots of them.
Because you posted your usual fraudulent headlines and made inappropriate
and off-topic comments. Digg users don't like that, and they retaliated
against you. For example, when you accused a particular blogger of only
posting pro-microsoft stories when only a few of his hundreds of stories
were microsoft related.

You seem unable to understand how your attitude and actions cause people to
dislike you. You're only conclusion is that they must be paid shills,
because you can't conceive that people might not actually like what you
say, or how you say it, or the methods you use to say it.

Why don't you take a good hard look at yourself, your posting history, the
comments people have made to you, etc..

Roy Schestowitz wrote:
> [H]omer on Friday :
>> Doug Mentohl spake:
>>
>>> "We at Digg couldn't think of a better partner to get to where we need
>>> to go,"
>>>
>>> "They're a young ad service, they're innovative, they're willing to
>>> work with us on the cutting edge."
>>>
>>> http://snipurl.com/1os5r
>>>
>>> http://www.smh.com.au/news/Technology/Digg-fires-Google-hires-
>>> Microsoft-for-online-advertising/2007/07/26/1185339120973.html
>>
>> Given the number of Microsoft Shills infesting Digg, this doesn't
>> surprise me at all.
>
> When Digg opened a "Microsoft" section, the number of submissions on
> that topic went through the roof and I was no longer able to track any
> Microsoft news there. There were lots of 'Microsoft fan' blogs.
>
> Who advocates monopoly abusers without payments or without the chance of
> receiving rewards? Microsoft has been caught giving prizes to those who
> engage in grassroots stuff, in which case it's simply astroturfing.
> Reward follows action, not vice versa, but it's essentially the same.
> They give the impression and send the message that they will share money
> with those who do marketing in disguise.

This was the impression by one blogger:

http://marshallk.com/microsoft-wants-its-laptops-back

[quote]
The computer itself doesn't retail for $2k plus for nothing - it's fast.
Windows is so annoying and (to me, a Mac user) so counter-intuitive, that
I'd never buy a Windows machine. My partner won't touch the thing. I'm
going to set it up to look pretty, take incoming news as if it was the 2nd
half of a super large monitor and work on my Mac. Not that I'm super happy
with the crash-happy, Flash-hating Macbook I have either. (That said,
Parallels is a great program for testing Windows only applications.) See
also oops - no new podcasts caught by iTunes for a week.

Ultimately all these companies are probably a lot like cell phone
providers. Which is the least ugly one in the room? I wouldn't chose at
all if I didn't have to.

I can't believe they are telling me not to keep it now. What kind of
blogosphere reaction were they expecting?
[/quote]

> Last year, when 'redhatcat' left Digg he said that the place was getting
> filled with Microsoft shills. I think he said this in one of the threads
> where people attacked me /ad hominem/ (it happens almost every day now).
>
> When I came to think about it, the shills won in a way. I no longer
> submit many stories that criticise or expose Microsoft. When I did, then
> quite immediately, the 'usual suspects' would strike within minutes or
> hours. You can find like 10-30 comments on Comes vs Microsoft
> submissions that never even made the front page (they got buried
> beforehand). Many of them still have PR5, so a simply Google search
> leads to them (like a gateway to a PDF that cannot be interpreted).

It it interesting how the truth manages to still come through, which is
good, even though some intend to do actions to result in near censorship.

It sounds very much like the grass roots trolling done by Iomega employees
a decade ago. They were replying with bashes on blog sites where unhappy
campers with failed Iomega products were posting their complaints. I had
a failed 2GB Ditto tape backup unit, chucked it up as a loss and purchased
a surplus Conner 4GB one, which worked perfectly. I wrote of my
experiences of Iomega on the Ditto and received responses not different
from the troll responses in COLA.

> Now, don't get me wrong... I have no problem with stories getting buried
> for being SPAM, inaccurate, or whatever. In this case, I simply quoted
> Microsoft from a newly-revealed court exhibit. People liked it. People
> Dugg this very quickly. How can this be buried? Microsoft has already
> buried oneenstire Web site. Thanks goodness we have mirrors of the case
> in Iowa (however partial they may be, since Microsoft settled within
> weeks and some 'laundry'). Now we just need all of this in textual form.
> There's just too much of that.
>
> Look at the number of pages here:
>
> http://antitrust.slated.org/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/3000/PX03096.pdf
>
> That's just _one among thousands_. A lot of it is "criminal" material.
> Planet Earth must see this. History needs it. This particular one that
> Nessuno pulled a couple of weeks ago actually reached the attention of
> tens of thousands (even if just the excerpt was read). I don't like the
> idea of Microsoft being around Digg at this moment.

It does make one wonder on intentions. Personally, I am for leaving the
Microsoft camp. I look at an operating system and application software as
a means to accomplish work, entertainment, information distro, etc. It is
not a religion. As Ernie Ball experienced freedom when he left the camp,
so will others.

--
HPT

After takin' a swig o' grog, High Plains Thumper belched out this bit o' wisdom:

> This was the impression by one blogger:
>
> http://marshallk.com/microsoft-wants-its-laptops-back

Microsoft and AMD sent out a pile of very expensive (yet trashy
looking) laptops to a number of bloggers over the past week. We
were told we could keep them - now after a day of minor outrage by
some people they are emailing us back with the following request that
we not keep them after all! And to think, I almost smashed mine in
the middle of the street 10 minutes into trying to use it!

. . .

Ha ha ha - the snazzy laptop I got in the mail from Microsoft
yesterday was the only way I was ever going to use Vista anyway. And
I'm certainly never going to take a laptop with a stupid looking
Ferrari logo on the front anywhere but home and my cube at work.

Not only a Ferrari logo, but three (!) frickin' stickers on the right
wrist rest.

--
Windows computers: more logos than Jeff Gordon's jumpsuit

On 2007-07-27, Erik Funkenbusch <erik.TakeThisOut@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 05:33:00 +0100, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>
>> When I came to think about it, the shills won in a way. I no longer submit many
>> stories that criticise or expose Microsoft. When I did, then quite
>> immediately, the 'usual suspects' would strike within minutes or hours. You
>> can find like 10-30 comments on Comes vs Microsoft submissions that never even
>> made the front page (they got buried beforehand). Many of them still have PR5,
>> so a simply Google search leads to them (like a gateway to a PDF that cannot
>> be interpreted).
>
> No, Roy. You are completely dense and unable to comprehend the truth.
>
> The fact of the matter is, you made enemies on Digg. Lots of them.
> Because you posted your usual fraudulent headlines and made inappropriate
> and off-topic comments. Digg users don't like that, and they retaliated
> against you. For example, when you accused a particular blogger of only
> posting pro-microsoft stories when only a few of his hundreds of stories
> were microsoft related.
>
> You seem unable to understand how your attitude and actions cause people to
> dislike you. You're only conclusion is that they must be paid shills,
> because you can't conceive that people might not actually like what you
> say, or how you say it, or the methods you use to say it.
>
> Why don't you take a good hard look at yourself, your posting history, the
> comments people have made to you, etc..

I think it's human nature to assume that a person who posts a large
number of messages must have some ulterior motive.
This is especially true in the type of forums we are talking
about *advocacy, digg, etc.
Go into a Toyota group and start posting all kinds of pro-Toyota
messages and people are going to assume you are a shill for
Toyota.

After takin' a swig o' grog, waterskidoo belched out this bit o' wisdom:

> Go into a Toyota group and start posting all kinds of pro-Toyota
> messages and people are going to assume you are a shill for
> Toyota.

I went to a group for the Toyota Yaris (compact car). There were a few
"Don't buy this car, it is too small, you will be killed!" posts there.
Pretty funny.

I bought one, and I like it. No frills except a CD/MP3/AUX player and
bigger wheels. Great acceleration up to about 50 MPH, which covers most
of my driving. Still getting used to the feel of 1st and Reverse on it,
though. Wish I'd popped for the tachometer.

--
Tux rox!

In article <slrnfaknjh.kfi.linonut.TakeThisOut@mlsrock.launchmodem.com>,
Linonut <linonut.TakeThisOut@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> I bought one, and I like it. No frills except a CD/MP3/AUX player and
> bigger wheels. Great acceleration up to about 50 MPH, which covers most
> of my driving. Still getting used to the feel of 1st and Reverse on it,
> though. Wish I'd popped for the tachometer.

If a tachometer is extra, then it's probably best NOT to get it.
Instead, get one of these:

<http://www.scangauge.com/>

It will give you a tachometer, and a lot more.

--
--Tim Smith

On Jul 26, 6:05 pm, Roy Schestowitz <newsgro....RemoveThis@schestowitz.com>
wrote:
> ____/ waterskidoo on Thursday 26 July 2007 16:58 : \____
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 2007-07-26, Roy Schestowitz <newsgro....RemoveThis@schestowitz.com> wrote:
>
> >> Digg has _a lot_ of content that slams Microsoft, promotes Linux, hails
> >> Apple, and so forth. Microsoft would love to have some control over parts of
> >> these pages.
>
> >> Digg is no place for Microsoft fans. Digg is a place where technologists
> >> reside and they see (and know) beyond that kissie-kissie Bill Gates stuff
> >> that invaded mainstream press.
>
> >> Rest assured Microsoft will pollute Digg with its disinformation. I have
> >> written to their staff about it, so hopefully someone will take notice.
>
> > For advertising space I would agree with you but how is Microsoft going
> > to censor people's opinions?
> > If anything, being officially involved with Digg, would be detrimental
> > to Microsoft *stuffing the ballot box* so to speak.
> > Microsoft would be better off hiring a herd of astroturfers to
> > seed Digg's discussions whilst distancing themselves from
> > Digg officially.
> > Don't get me wrong, I smell a rat, a big bloated rat that
> > wears funny glasses but I'm not sure how advertising space
> > would alter digg's opinion based content, ie:discussions.
>
> Some argue that Microsoft has been astroturfing Digg for about a year. This
> drove away some regulars who like Free software. I'm still wondering who is
> patient enough to go through ~50 comments of mine every day and mod them down
> systematically. Unless they get paid, this takes a lot of perseverance.
>
> ...Not to mention someone who rated about 1500 of my messages in Google Group
> to game the system and lower me from 4/5 to 2/5.

Ever consider that some of us Google Group users think your posts are
worthy of the 1 star? I can't say I've rated 1500 posts, but I have
rated some with incorrect subjects, off-topic posts, and general
stupidity, 1 star, just like I've given 5 to posts I feel deserve it.
It's our right as Google Groups users to rate posts as we see fit. If
someone actually liked your posts then surely they would rate them
higher.

Also, I thought you had killfiled all google posts, so why would you
care what you're rated? That's a rhetorical question, we all know why.