suse verses ubuntu

On 2009-09-26, houghi <houghi DeleteThis @houghi.org.invalid> wrote:
> Vahis wrote:
>> Now, 11.2 has 4.3 and I'm running it on an Asus EeePC 900.
>> Finally I'm not worried about KDE anymore, 4.3 is OK.
>
> Murderer!
>

My cat has made it six years and I've been running KDE about that time.
Both are alive and kicking as we speak.

So you got no proof.

Or was it the dog you are talking about? Kerry the Beagle is fine, too.

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Adam S. wrote:
>
> Do not run windows unless you have no choice

OK


> I could say about openSuSE what you say about CentOS

Nope. Fedora is to RHEL what openSUSE is to SLES/SLED.

Someone could compile a distro using SLES or SLED sources, and then it
would be like what CentOS is to RHEL.

Some would view that as 'ripping off' Red Hat or Novell, but it's not.
It's a fundamental principle of free software that what you contribute
can be used by others - just as Red Hat and Novell contribute code, they
use (and profit from) other people's code all the time.

If you have 100 web servers for instance, and you want Linux and can
support it yourself you'd be crazy (imho) to run RHEL instead of CentOS.

Some people license one server with RHEL so that if they encounter a
problem on one of the CentOS boxes, they reproduce it on the RHEL box
and then call support that's a little cheeky.


> and yes, I have the dough

You must have with a Mac Pro especially if you got the 16GB of RAM
from Apple!



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On 2009-09-26, houghi <houghi.TakeThisOut@houghi.org.invalid> wrote:
> Vahis wrote:
>> My cat has made it six years and I've been running KDE about that time.
>> Both are alive and kicking as we speak.
>>
>> So you got no proof.
>
> I have NO cat, so mine was killed by somebody starting up GNOME, perhaps
> you. I also don't have a dog, because KDE people killed the puppy.

Perhaps your cat-once-to-be is living happily here with me?

As for the dog, they didn't kill it.
They snatched it, named it Kerry and put it on the desktop.
>
> Obviously starting KDE or GNOME does not kill YOUR puppy or kitten, it
> kills A puppy or kitten. Imagine the face of the kid that is playing
> with his new puppy or kitten and suddenly mommy and daddy need to
> explain why the animal is not moving anymore.
>
> That kid will grow up frustrated with an anger in the world and wil
> become a terrorist.
>
> So not only do you not think of the children, you als sponsor
> terrorists.

You can't prove that. I like KDE. And I'm slowly accepting 4.3, too.

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On 2009-09-26, houghi <houghi RemoveThis @houghi.org.invalid> wrote:
> Vahis wrote:
>>> moblin makes use of it in a different way.
>>
>> I'm all ears
>> How's that? Can you explain a bit?
>
> http://moblin.org/documentation/moblin-netbook-intro

Thanks. Interesting.
>
>> Preferably in such a way that even the only ones who know how the world
>> should be run (cab drivers) understand?
>
> Well, instead of driving around the city with a client to "show the
> city" and by accident getting more money from the client like KDE does,
> you take the cheapest/shortests route like Moblin does.

I started driving a cab same year as Robert De Niro did.
The trick you describe there I never tried because by that time I had
already seen Coogan's Bluff.

I gave up driving soon though (De Niro did, too).
He went on filming, I started with computers.

But I gave them up as a job and started driving again almost ten years ago.
Now them being a hobby I might just as well try moblin.

>
>> Or maybe links? Convince me
>
> http://moblin.org/documentation/moblin-netbook-intro/how-get-around-mo...n-netbo
> http://moblin.org/documentation/moblin-netbook-intro/how-get-around-mo...n-netbo
> http://moblin.org/documentation/moblin-netbook-intro/how-get-around-mo...n-netbo
>
>> I've spent some time to configure my desktop into my liking, so I'm not
>> that eager at all to change it much (as you may have seen I've been
>> ranting about KDE4)
>
> I have done the same with WindowMaker. I have made KDE look and behave
> like WindowMaker and still it does not do what I want it to do. I have
> tried XFCE for several months and it also did not deliver.
> Also GNOME is not doing what I want it to do.
>
> At the conference, the KDE and GNOME people nearly killed each other
> (well, there were apparently some heft discussions, but all was good in
> the end.) so I almost got what I wanted.
>
> Somebody sayd, apparently joking, that we could all go back to CDE and I
> asked him: why not? It is functional and does what it needs to do.
>
> The answer was a blank stare of both KDE and GNOME people. They nearly
> fainted. Serves them right killing all those kittens and puppies.
>
CDE used to be great.
I was selling stuff with CDE (Sun Microsystems HW and Solaris) when
there were proper profit margins in computers, those were the days

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justaclown wrote:

> On Sep 24, 7:01 pm, PHT <no-spam-linux-u... DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:
>> I have noticed a lot of outfits are using Ubuntu. Dell is offering
>> it. Anyone know how Ubuntu stacks up against Suse.
>
> Think Debian, but really dumbed down so that an install and setup is
> pretty much brainless. You'd think that would be nice but I found it
> kind of scary.

exactly! Sane defaults are good but no excuse for the lack of
configuration tools. The difference in Linux distributions is with the
system configuration tools. Even after 10 years of exclusive Linux use
I find myself struggling with setting up Debian. On servers it is okay
but I cannot count how often I have given up installing Debian on a
laptop. Most of the times I choose suse for servers, the laptops
usually get either suse or mandriva. Mandriva's tools were once the
best in existence but suse's yast has matured and is equally good.

Now, installing ubuntu is easy. But then, once it is installed, try
changing stuff and you'll miss the ease of yast or mcc, and a clear
distinction between system level and user level setup. Go on and
google and you'll see that the expert-to-noob ratio in ubuntu forums
is effectively zero. Of course, any ubuntu user capable of opening a
terminal pretends to be an expert. This is frustrating without end.

So, regarding the initial question of the OP: given the choice, I'd go
for suse. In addition to proper configuration tools, it has the
benefit of an experienced and thus helpful user base.

cheers

Mark

On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:30:27 +0200, Mark Draheim <rickcafe.casablanca RemoveThis @gmx.net>
wrote:

>Now, installing ubuntu is easy.

that is how they catch people.


>But then, once it is installed, try
>changing stuff and you'll miss the ease of yast or mcc, and a clear
>distinction between system level and user level setup.

Even using is is an incredible pain. It is so bad, I could vomit.
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On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 15:58:19 +0200, houghi wrote:

> Happy Oyster wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:30:27 +0200, Mark Draheim
>> <rickcafe.casablanca DeleteThis @gmx.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Now, installing ubuntu is easy.
>>
>> that is how they catch people.
>
> They catch people the AOL way. By giving away free disks. Unfortunatly
> neither openSUSE nor Novell have a budget for that. It goes into the
> millions of EUR.

Novell doesn't have the money to hand out CDs, but Canonical does? There
is something wrong with that picture.

>
>> Even using is is an incredible pain. It is so bad, I could vomit.
>
> I can imagine. GNOME or KDE? Brrrr.
>
> houghi





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