suse verses ubuntu

On Fri, 2009-09-25 at 17:54 +0200, houghi wrote:
> Chris Cox wrote:
> > Moblin works fine as long as you want to arbitraily restrict your OS..
> > which is pretty much Intel's intent with Moblin (keep the netbooks from
> > cutting into the notebook market where Intel's margins are higher).
>
> Well, the Moblin OSS developers I spoke to seem to disagree.

Really? You don't think they're biased in any way do you?

>
> It is a great OS for Netbooks. I would not use it on anything else. Just
> as other Linux distributions is great for a portable/Dektop/Server, but
> not good for a netbook.

You can believe whatever you want. I actually install and test this
stuff. So... feel free to tell everyone how wonderful it is after you
install it on to your netbook. Please report back. I was did my test
about a month ago... I supposed it's possible that it's 10,000x better
than it was then.

On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:11:08 +0200, houghi wrote:

> ray wrote:
>> I haven't really had that feeling at all. For example, several ways to
>> do software installation/updates - from the command line or using
>> synaptic (which I prefer).
>
> Command line is available under openSUSE as well with zypper or YaST or
> OCICLI or rpm or some other ways.
>
> I never used synaptic, so what is the advantage (I understand that is a
> personal view) of it over the GUI YaST installer?

No offense, and I haven't tried SuSE for some time now, but I always had
problems with it - found the interface to be a bit confusing. Synaptic
just always seems to work and I have no trouble at all finding my way
around - it seems a little simpler and more robust - but as I say, I
haven't tried yast for some time now.

>
>>> But if all you are doing is surfing the web and reading newsgroups it
>>> is just fine indeed. I'd not much care to have to write programs on
>>> it.
>>
>> I wonder why - I've done a bit and did not find anything getting in my
>> way.
>
> I wonder why as well. You can even use the OBS to build stuff for it and
> in general if you make software for Linux (and not are into package
> building) there should be no huge difference. configure && make && make
> install
>
> Package building is something else though.

Absolutely. Too many packaging systems? Though they are interchangeable
to some degree - for example Debian systems have a 'alien' command to
change another system, like rpm, file into a deb package.


>
> houghi

On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 06:42:11 +0200, Joachim Pense wrote:

> ray (in alt.os.linux.suse):
>
>> On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 00:01:04 +0000, PHT wrote:
>>
>>> I have noticed a lot of outfits are using Ubuntu. Dell is offering it.
>>> Anyone know how Ubuntu stacks up against Suse. Wondering what the
>>> major differences are. I am still going to use Suse, but have been
>>> thinking about putting Ubuntu on as a second OS and seeing how it
>>> works. But what to get some input about it first.
>>>
>>> Paul T.
>>
>> Ubuntu uses Gnome.
>
> There's a KDE version of Ubuntu, too.
>
> Joachim

That's true. But Ubuntu comes with Gnome. You can also, of course, add
the KDE desktop, XFCE and others in Ubuntu - or you could install
Kubuntu. It's been a while since I've messed with those, but my last
impression was that things went a little more smoothly to install Ubuntu
and then add the KDE desktop - if you're 'into' KDE.

On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:30:58 +0000, central wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 00:01:04 +0000, PHT wrote:
>
>> I have noticed a lot of outfits are using Ubuntu. Dell is offering it.
>> Anyone know how Ubuntu stacks up against Suse. Wondering what the major
>> differences are. I am still going to use Suse, but have been thinking
>> about putting Ubuntu on as a second OS and seeing how it works. But
>> what to get some input about it first.
>>
>> Paul T.
>
> <fx: wild generalisation>
>
> 80% of suse stuff works out of the box, another 18% works with a bit of
> fiddling
>
> 90% of *buntu stuff works out of the box. Good luck with the remaining
> 10%
>
> </wild generalisation>

That may not be far from the mark!

>
> I use Ubuntu on my netbook and SWMBO's laptop - *real* machines have
> suse...

Got an ASUS eeepc for the wife last Christmas - came with dumbed down
xandros - which neither of us appreciated. Installed Debian from the
Debian eeepc wiki - piece of cake and it works quite well. Footprint is
about 2.6gb on the 4gb SSD - added an SD card for /home.

On 2009-09-25, houghi <houghi.DeleteThis@houghi.org.invalid> wrote:
> Chris Cox wrote:
>> Moblin works fine as long as you want to arbitraily restrict your OS..
>> which is pretty much Intel's intent with Moblin (keep the netbooks from
>> cutting into the notebook market where Intel's margins are higher).
>
> Well, the Moblin OSS developers I spoke to seem to disagree.
>
> It is a great OS for Netbooks.

What netbook have you tried it on? I've been thinking of putting a live
moblin image on a stick and try it on my Asus EeePC 900.
Ever tried that?

>I would not use it on anything else. Just
> as other Linux distributions is great for a portable/Dektop/Server, but
> not good for a netbook.
>

Not sure if my Asus EeePC 900 is a netbook.
If it is, then you've got that one wrong.

According to my experience openSUSE 11.0 11.1 and 11.2 are simply good
operating systems for at least this particular netbook. If it is one.

Maybe it's a "mini laptop" as they are often called here.

Vahis
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On 25 Sep 2009 16:29:53 GMT
ray <ray.TakeThisOut@zianet.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:30:58 +0000, central wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 00:01:04 +0000, PHT wrote:
> >
> >> I have noticed a lot of outfits are using Ubuntu. Dell is offering
> >> it. Anyone know how Ubuntu stacks up against Suse. Wondering what
> >> the major differences are. I am still going to use Suse, but have
> >> been thinking about putting Ubuntu on as a second OS and seeing
> >> how it works. But what to get some input about it first.
> >>
> >> Paul T.
> >
> > <fx: wild generalisation>
> >
> > 80% of suse stuff works out of the box, another 18% works with a
> > bit of fiddling
> >
> > 90% of *buntu stuff works out of the box. Good luck with the
> > remaining 10%
> >
> > </wild generalisation>
>
> That may not be far from the mark!
>
> >
> > I use Ubuntu on my netbook and SWMBO's laptop - *real* machines have
> > suse...
>
> Got an ASUS eeepc for the wife last Christmas - came with dumbed down
> xandros - which neither of us appreciated. Installed Debian from the
> Debian eeepc wiki - piece of cake and it works quite well. Footprint
> is about 2.6gb on the 4gb SSD - added an SD card for /home.
Hi
I have an ASUS 1000HE running 11.2 M7 runs great, desktop effects video
hdtv (USB device) hardware wise it all works, bluetooth, wireless,
sound etc. Suspend works but still a little buggy, should be good to go
by November though.

I downloaded the moblin raw image but need to swap the drive out with
the spare I have to test....

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On Fri, 2009-09-25 at 20:54 +0200, houghi wrote:
> Vahis wrote:
> > What netbook have you tried it on? I've been thinking of putting a live
> > moblin image on a stick and try it on my Asus EeePC 900.
> > Ever tried that?
>
> I only have seen it in action. Was on the EeePC 901. Not even sure if it
> will work on the 900.
> http://moblin.org/documentation/test-drive-moblin/using-moblin-live-image
> There the 901 is mentioned, not the 900
>
> >>I would not use it on anything else. Just
> >> as other Linux distributions is great for a portable/Dektop/Server, but
> >> not good for a netbook.
> >
> > Not sure if my Asus EeePC 900 is a netbook.
> > If it is, then you've got that one wrong.
>
> I ment to say: "not as good as moblin". The reason is the size of the
> screen. It works, but Moblin, I think, works much better for that
> screensize and if you use it as a secondary PC.

While not politically correct (again, I focus on my own experience
and not the hype, etc.), I have installed openSUSE on the HP 2140
which has even less screen real estate in addition to the Acer
Asire ONE A110, both worked very well. The former I used oS 11.1 with
KDE 3.5.10 and the latter with oS 11.1 KDE 4.2.4, both with compiz
enabled.

I used the 2140 to nomachine through our vpn to my corporate desktop...
all went perfectly ok. In other words, I used it to actually do my job.
The Acer went through my normal desktop usability tests... all went
well.

Can't say the same about Windows XP on either... Windows has more
screen real estate issues than KDE has.

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central wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 00:01:04 +0000, PHT wrote:
>
>> I have noticed a lot of outfits are using Ubuntu. Dell is offering it.
>> Anyone know how Ubuntu stacks up against Suse. Wondering what the major
>> differences are. I am still going to use Suse, but have been thinking
>> about putting Ubuntu on as a second OS and seeing how it works. But what
>> to get some input about it first.
>>
>> Paul T.
>
> <fx: wild generalisation>
>
> 80% of suse stuff works out of the box, another 18% works with a bit of
> fiddling
>
> 90% of *buntu stuff works out of the box. Good luck with the remaining
> 10%
>
> </wild generalisation>
>
> I use Ubuntu on my netbook and SWMBO's laptop - *real* machines have
> suse...

I use Ubuntu on a netbook and have checked it out for some other machines as
well, but SUSE was my first distro and I never really find any other distro
I like as much, having tried Xandros, Mandriva, Debian, GRRML (or
whatever), and Fedora.

SUSE's KDE is usually better than the others (although I'm told the latest
Fedora has done a better job with KDE4). And I really like YAST; no other
distro - and particularly Ubuntu - has something similar. I also like the
way SUSE sets up the console; Ubuntu doesn't seem to pay much attention to
it.

On Ubuntu's side, I really love the .deb packaging system and the repos are
great - SUSE's recent software packaging and installing tools in YAST have
not been great at all.

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