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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:20 pm
Post subject: Is this legal - linux without the sources ?
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I recently bought a Philco notebook, which came with a linux
system (debian-based, it uses both debian and ubuntu repositories).
The first time I used synaptic, it crashed various times, with a load
of messages about library dependencies.
I tried to find the source code, but was told by the Philco
people that their linux was proprietary, so no access to drivers or
source code.
I tried installing ubuntu on the notebook, but the modem is
not recognized. And Philco says it will only give me technical help if
I re-install the Fenix system (which comes with the notebook on an
encrypted DVD). Also I must not install any new software, as it could
cause conflicts, not covered by the warranty. I must maintain the
original software installed. (apparently security updates are out of
the question, as there are scores of dependencies unresolved -
synaptic seems to download from various versions of ubuntu/debian)
I though buying a linux notebook would open my horizons to
lots of nice software. I think I've been done .....
[]'s
A friend of mine just put windows XP on his, but that is NOT
what I bought the notebook for.
http://www.sistemafenix.com.br
http://www.philco.com.br/Notebooks.aspx?cn=146&p=287 |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:20 pm
Post subject: Re: Is this legal - linux without the sources ? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:20:48 -0200, Shadow wrote:
> I recently bought a Philco notebook, which came with a linux system
> (debian-based, it uses both debian and ubuntu repositories). The first
> time I used synaptic, it crashed various times, with a load of messages
> about library dependencies.
> I tried to find the source code, but was told by the Philco
> people that their linux was proprietary, so no access to drivers or
> source code.
> I tried installing ubuntu on the notebook, but the modem is
> not recognized. And Philco says it will only give me technical help if I
> re-install the Fenix system (which comes with the notebook on an
> encrypted DVD). Also I must not install any new software, as it could
> cause conflicts, not covered by the warranty. I must maintain the
> original software installed. (apparently security updates are out of the
> question, as there are scores of dependencies unresolved - synaptic
> seems to download from various versions of ubuntu/debian)
> I though buying a linux notebook would open my horizons to
> lots of nice software. I think I've been done .....
> []'s
>
> A friend of mine just put windows XP on his, but that is NOT
> what I bought the notebook for.
>
> http://www.sistemafenix.com.br
> http://www.philco.com.br/Notebooks.aspx?cn=146&p=287
We've had a much better experience with the Asus eeepc I bought my wife
for Christmas last year. Installed Debian by following the Debian eeepc
wiki and all went swimmingly - and yes, we do updates. |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:20 pm
Post subject: Re: Is this legal - linux without the sources ? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Shadow wrote:
> I recently bought a Philco notebook, which came with a linux
> system (debian-based, it uses both debian and ubuntu repositories).
> The first time I used synaptic, it crashed various times, with a load
> of messages about library dependencies.
> I tried to find the source code, but was told by the Philco
> people that their linux was proprietary, so no access to drivers or
> source code.
> I tried installing ubuntu on the notebook, but the modem is
> not recognized. And Philco says it will only give me technical help if
> I re-install the Fenix system (which comes with the notebook on an
> encrypted DVD). Also I must not install any new software, as it could
> cause conflicts, not covered by the warranty. I must maintain the
> original software installed. (apparently security updates are out of
> the question, as there are scores of dependencies unresolved -
> synaptic seems to download from various versions of ubuntu/debian)
> I though buying a linux notebook would open my horizons to
> lots of nice software. I think I've been done .....
> []'s
>
> A friend of mine just put windows XP on his, but that is NOT
> what I bought the notebook for.
>
> http://www.sistemafenix.com.br
> http://www.philco.com.br/Notebooks.aspx?cn=146&p=287
Hello
Yes it is legal as it is proptirtary.
Mike |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:20 pm
Post subject: Re: Is this legal - linux without the sources ? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:47:51 +0000, Michael John Ruff
<mr002i1702.RemoveThis@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>Shadow wrote:
>> I recently bought a Philco notebook, which came with a linux
>> system (debian-based, it uses both debian and ubuntu repositories).
>> The first time I used synaptic, it crashed various times, with a load
>> of messages about library dependencies.
>> I tried to find the source code, but was told by the Philco
>> people that their linux was proprietary, so no access to drivers or
>> source code.
>> I tried installing ubuntu on the notebook, but the modem is
>> not recognized. And Philco says it will only give me technical help if
>> I re-install the Fenix system (which comes with the notebook on an
>> encrypted DVD). Also I must not install any new software, as it could
>> cause conflicts, not covered by the warranty. I must maintain the
>> original software installed. (apparently security updates are out of
>> the question, as there are scores of dependencies unresolved -
>> synaptic seems to download from various versions of ubuntu/debian)
>> I though buying a linux notebook would open my horizons to
>> lots of nice software. I think I've been done .....
>> []'s
>>
>> A friend of mine just put windows XP on his, but that is NOT
>> what I bought the notebook for.
>>
>> http://www.sistemafenix.com.br
>> http://www.philco.com.br/Notebooks.aspx?cn=146&p=287
>Hello
>
>Yes it is legal as it is proptirtary.
Whatever happened to open source ? I though the source code
had to be available. In this particular case it looks like Philco took
debian's code, added a couple of drivers, and are now charging for it.
At least Bill Gates blatantly stole DOS and OS2. I mean,
designed windows himself.
[]'s
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>Mike |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:20 pm
Post subject: Re: Is this legal - linux without the sources ? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:29:54 -0200, Shadow wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:47:51 +0000, Michael John Ruff
> <mr002i1702.RemoveThis@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Shadow wrote:
>>> I recently bought a Philco notebook, which came with a linux
>>> system (debian-based, it uses both debian and ubuntu repositories).
>>> The first time I used synaptic, it crashed various times, with a load
>>> of messages about library dependencies.
>>> I tried to find the source code, but was told by the Philco
>>> people that their linux was proprietary, so no access to drivers or
>>> source code.
>>> I tried installing ubuntu on the notebook, but the modem is
>>> not recognized. And Philco says it will only give me technical help if
>>> I re-install the Fenix system (which comes with the notebook on an
>>> encrypted DVD). Also I must not install any new software, as it could
>>> cause conflicts, not covered by the warranty. I must maintain the
>>> original software installed. (apparently security updates are out of
>>> the question, as there are scores of dependencies unresolved -
>>> synaptic seems to download from various versions of ubuntu/debian)
>>> I though buying a linux notebook would open my horizons to
>>> lots of nice software. I think I've been done .....
>>> []'s
>>>
>>> A friend of mine just put windows XP on his, but that is NOT
>>> what I bought the notebook for.
>>>
>>> http://www.sistemafenix.com.br
>>> http://www.philco.com.br/Notebooks.aspx?cn=146&p=287
>>Hello
>>
>>Yes it is legal as it is proptirtary.
> Whatever happened to open source ? I though the source code
> had to be available. In this particular case it looks like Philco took
> debian's code, added a couple of drivers, and are now charging for it.
> At least Bill Gates blatantly stole DOS and OS2. I mean,
> designed windows himself.
> []'s
>>
>>Mike
I would have thought it would be perfectly legal for them to sell it -
but under the license, they'd still have to provide source code. |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:20 pm
Post subject: Re: Is this legal - linux without the sources ? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Michael John Ruff wrote:
> Shadow wrote:
>> I recently bought a Philco notebook, which came with a linux
>> system (debian-based, it uses both debian and ubuntu repositories).
>> The first time I used synaptic, it crashed various times, with a load
>> of messages about library dependencies.
>> I tried to find the source code, but was told by the Philco
>> people that their linux was proprietary, so no access to drivers or
>> source code. I tried installing ubuntu on the notebook, but the
>> modem is
>> not recognized. And Philco says it will only give me technical help if
>> I re-install the Fenix system (which comes with the notebook on an
>> encrypted DVD). Also I must not install any new software, as it could
>> cause conflicts, not covered by the warranty. I must maintain the
>> original software installed. (apparently security updates are out of
>> the question, as there are scores of dependencies unresolved -
>> synaptic seems to download from various versions of ubuntu/debian)
>> I though buying a linux notebook would open my horizons to
>> lots of nice software. I think I've been done .....
>> []'s
>>
>> A friend of mine just put windows XP on his, but that is NOT
>> what I bought the notebook for.
>>
>> http://www.sistemafenix.com.br
>> http://www.philco.com.br/Notebooks.aspx?cn=146&p=287
> Hello
>
> Yes it is legal as it is proptirtary.
They are still forced to in one or another way provide possible access to the
GPL part of the code and the patches they made on the GPL code. Just look at
how RedHat has solved it, they provide the source RPMs for the GPL part of RHEL.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:20 am
Post subject: Re: Is this legal - linux without the sources ? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:47:51 +0000, Michael John Ruff wrote:
> Shadow wrote:
>> I recently bought a Philco notebook, which came with a linux
>> system (debian-based, it uses both debian and ubuntu repositories). The
>> first time I used synaptic, it crashed various times, with a load of
>> messages about library dependencies.
>> I tried to find the source code, but was told by the Philco
>> people that their linux was proprietary, so no access to drivers or
>> source code.
>> I tried installing ubuntu on the notebook, but the modem is
>> not recognized. And Philco says it will only give me technical help if
>> I re-install the Fenix system (which comes with the notebook on an
>> encrypted DVD). Also I must not install any new software, as it could
>> cause conflicts, not covered by the warranty. I must maintain the
>> original software installed. (apparently security updates are out of
>> the question, as there are scores of dependencies unresolved - synaptic
>> seems to download from various versions of ubuntu/debian)
>> I though buying a linux notebook would open my horizons to
>> lots of nice software. I think I've been done .....
>> []'s
>>
>> A friend of mine just put windows XP on his, but that is NOT
>> what I bought the notebook for.
>>
>> http://www.sistemafenix.com.br
>> http://www.philco.com.br/Notebooks.aspx?cn=146&p=287
> Hello
>
> Yes it is legal as it is proptirtary.
>
> Mike
Sounds like a business trick that Micodollars does.
Anyone that would distribute a OS this way is one that I would stay away
from. Plenty of other OS's out there that you do not have to worry about
them doing business this way.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:20 pm
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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:20:48 -0200, Shadow wrote:
> I recently bought a Philco notebook, which came with a linux
> system (debian-based, it uses both debian and ubuntu repositories). The
> first time I used synaptic, it crashed various times, with a load of
> messages about library dependencies.
> I tried to find the source code, but was told by the Philco
> people that their linux was proprietary, so no access to drivers or
> source code.
I think FSF Latin America would be interested in this. You could
subscribe to the Legales mailing list and repost your questions there:
http://www.fsfla.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legales?language=pt_BR
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html
| If you commercially distribute binaries not accompanied with source
| code, the GPL says you must provide a written offer to distribute the
| source code later. |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 7:20 pm
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On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:52:28 GMT, Snowbat <snowbat.TakeThisOut@geocities.com>
wrote:
>On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:20:48 -0200, Shadow wrote:
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>> I recently bought a Philco notebook, which came with a linux
>> system (debian-based, it uses both debian and ubuntu repositories). The
>> first time I used synaptic, it crashed various times, with a load of
>> messages about library dependencies.
>> I tried to find the source code, but was told by the Philco
>> people that their linux was proprietary, so no access to drivers or
>> source code.
>
>I think FSF Latin America would be interested in this. You could
>subscribe to the Legales mailing list and repost your questions there:
>http://www.fsfla.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legales?language=pt_BR
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>
>http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html
>| If you commercially distribute binaries not accompanied with source
>| code, the GPL says you must provide a written offer to distribute the
>| source code later.
Yes , I thought there was something like that. I will look
into it. Thanks for the link.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 7:39 pm
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On Fri, 27 Nov 2009, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.linux, in article
<heodfb$fqk$1@aioe.org>, Amax wrote:
>Oh man, the last time I saw the name 'Philco" was on the shitty,
>staticy AM radio in my 1965 Ford Falcon.
You got what you paid for. At that time, Philco was owned by Ford.
The company was then sold to GTE and finally to Philips who owns it
now. In the states, they are now selling as Philco and Funai.
>Then they did a short-lived thing with TV's & other household
>appliances - also shitty.
In the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s, they were producing quality stuff.
They apparently went to hell after being bought by Ford. No surprise.
>So, they ended up in Brazil, did they?
No, Philco-Hitachi - apparently a joint spin-off. It was sold several
times - about all that exists seems to be the brand name - no actual
products. The Argentine company (also no longer part of Philips) seems
to retain a good reputation. Amazing what you might find if you used
a search engine.
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