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glen martin

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Since: Nov 24, 2005
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 11:50 am
Post subject: [gentoo-user] mail to this list from home fails, but from home relayed through ISP works
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This isn't the case of subscribing through work and sending from home or
whatever. In both cases I sent from home, indeed from the same account
in the same mail client. Only the path the message took to
list.gentoo.org changed.

I hadn't posted to this for quite a while until recently. When I did so
again a few days ago, the message hung up in my outgoing queue and I got
this message in the log:

May 7 16:09:56 texada postfix/smtp[23864]: 7D46150B55:
to=<gentoo-user RemoveThis @lists.gentoo.org>,
relay=lists.gentoo.org[140.105.134.102], delay=15242, status=deferred
(host lists.gentoo.org[140.105.134.102] said: 421 4.4.1 collect: read
timeout on connection from m198-163.dsl.rawbw.com,
from=<lists RemoveThis @locutory.org> (in reply to end of DATA command))

I let it stew for a couple of hours in case this was a greylist thing,
and subsequent resends did the same thing.

I switched my client to relay though my ISP's MX, and the message went
through fine.

I'm guessing I'm running afoul of some anti-spam measure. Perhaps it is
a case of reverse-DNS points to my ISP and not to my own domain, but a
near-infinite number of people must share that condition. Or maybe my
mailer is just misconfigured in some narrow way that none of my
correspondents have had trouble with until now.

I'd like to fix my system and lose the outbound relay, having something
of an ideological opposition to my mail going through relays. Does
anyone know what is going on here?

Thanks,

glen

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Uwe Thiem

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 1:00 pm
Post subject: Re: [gentoo-user] mail to this list from home fails, but from home relayed through ISP works [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 09 May 2006 15:40, glen martin wrote:
> This isn't the case of subscribing through work and sending from home or
> whatever. In both cases I sent from home, indeed from the same account
> in the same mail client. Only the path the message took to
> list.gentoo.org changed.
>
> I hadn't posted to this for quite a while until recently. When I did so
> again a few days ago, the message hung up in my outgoing queue and I got
> this message in the log:
>
> May 7 16:09:56 texada postfix/smtp[23864]: 7D46150B55:
> to=<gentoo-user.RemoveThis@lists.gentoo.org>,
> relay=lists.gentoo.org[140.105.134.102], delay=15242, status=deferred
> (host lists.gentoo.org[140.105.134.102] said: 421 4.4.1 collect: read
> timeout on connection from m198-163.dsl.rawbw.com,
> from=<lists.RemoveThis@locutory.org> (in reply to end of DATA command))

Many MTAs refuse to relay messages from dial-up or DSL connections - and
rightly so. Just use your ISP's SMTP server as a smarthost.

Uwe

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glen martin

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 2:40 pm
Post subject: Re: [gentoo-user] mail to this list from home fails, but from home relayed through ISP works [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Uwe Thiem wrote:
> On 09 May 2006 15:40, glen martin wrote:
>
>> This isn't the case of subscribing through work and sending from home or
>> whatever. In both cases I sent from home, indeed from the same account
>> in the same mail client. Only the path the message took to
>> list.gentoo.org changed.
>>
>> I hadn't posted to this for quite a while until recently. When I did so
>> again a few days ago, the message hung up in my outgoing queue and I got
>> this message in the log:
>>
>> May 7 16:09:56 texada postfix/smtp[23864]: 7D46150B55:
>> to=<gentoo-user.TakeThisOut@lists.gentoo.org>,
>> relay=lists.gentoo.org[140.105.134.102], delay=15242, status=deferred
>> (host lists.gentoo.org[140.105.134.102] said: 421 4.4.1 collect: read
>> timeout on connection from m198-163.dsl.rawbw.com,
>> from=<lists.TakeThisOut@locutory.org> (in reply to end of DATA command))
>>
> Many MTAs refuse to relay messages from dial-up or DSL connections - and
> rightly so. Just use your ISP's SMTP server as a smarthost.
>
I should certainly expect that for a relay, in which I address a message
to a name not only the MX, but does a mailing list count as a relay?
Certainly this is the only mailing list I've encountered to-date with
such a restriction, and I participate in several. And while I totally
get this for dial-up, my DSL has a static IP - I've had this number
longer than many companies in this post-dot-bomb world.

Indeed I can use my ISP as a smarthost, and in fact am currently doing
so out of necessity. It just bothers me. Privacy is not enhanced by
having my mail sitting on servers neither I nor the recipient control,
and while I don't want any particular privacy for messages to this list,
sending all my mail through the smarthost seems wrong.

Per-destination smarthost? Blech. Smile

I apologise if I sound grumpy about this issue, and do thank you for the
response.

glen


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