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jangar wrote:
> hi
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> Few words of advice. Bottom post and email text only.

but with sufficient clipping of the text that you're including in the reply

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Denis wrote:

>>Few words of advice. Bottom post and email text only.
>>
>>
>
>but with sufficient clipping of the text that you're including in the reply
>
>
>
I always forget.

Dale


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> Few words of advice. Bottom post and email text only. Folks will stomp
> on you until there is a mudhole then stomp it dry if you do either of
> those. Then add in that most block emails that have HTML in it so they
> will not see what you post anyway. I'm not sure why they block HTML but
> I was told they do.
>
> Welcome aboard. Sometimes it is a fun ride.
>
> Dale
>

Oh yes dont we know it

Welcome to the list Gianluca hope you find it a useful tool in solving
your problems and helping others solve theirs.

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Neil Bothwick wrote:

>
>Because it is insecure on some mail readers and unreadable on others.
>
>
Linux insecure? Never had that problem before. Unreadable I may can
get though. I use Mozilla-mail so I am a new fuddy duddy. I can
get HTML or text only just the same. Actually mine shows up as HTML
even though it is sent as text only. This, , shows up as a smiley
when I get the post back.

Dale



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I have four rigs:

1: Home built; Abit NF7 ver 2.0 w/ AMD 2500+ CPU, 1GB of ram and right now two 80GB hard drives.
2: Home built; Iwill KK266-R w/ AMD 1GHz CPU, 256MBs of ram and a 4GB drive.
3: Home built; Gigabyte GA-71XE4 w/ 800MHz CPU, 128MBs of ram and a 2.5GB drive.
4: Compaq Proliant 6000 Server w/ Quad 200MHz CPUs, 128MBs of ram and a 4.3GB SCSI drive.

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Dale schreef:
> Neil Bothwick wrote:
>
>>
>> Because it is insecure on some mail readers and unreadable on
>> others.
>>
>>
> Linux insecure? Never had that problem before.

Everybody doesn't always read the list on Linux, or using Linux mail
readers.

Suppose you're reading it at work, where they use IE (on your lunch
hour, of course ).

Or even suppose you're one of those mad persons who runs Outlook under
Wine/Crossover Office (because that's what your work/clients uses to
send you mail, and it's the weekend, or you're off site). Suppose you're
at a hotel on a trip (business or pleasure) and downloading your mail to
a USB stick, which is inserted into a Windows PC, because that's what
the hotel uses, and when you get home that stick will be connected to a
mixed Windows/Linux network, from which any viruses that may have been
in the mail will be able to propagate through the network, unless you
have a "clean room" to protect the network while you make sure that the
USB stick is clean and safe.

It's a big world out there. Expand your thinking to encompass it .

> Unreadable I may can get though. I use Mozilla-mail so I am a new
> fuddy duddy. I can get HTML or text only just the same.
> Actually mine shows up as HTML even though it is sent as text only.
> This, , shows up as a smiley when I get the post back.

That does not mean that the mail is showing up as HTML. That conversion
from a text smiley to a graphical smiley is a feature of the Mozilla
mail readers (MozMail and Thunderbird); it converts the smileys it knows
to graphics. It doesn't know all of them-- this.--> --> will not
show up as a graphic.

I can assure you that this is the case (although you may well be
displaying mail as HTML), because I have my mail set to display all mail
as Plain Text (even if it's HTML; check View=>"Display Message as"
(sorry, on my desktop it's in Dutch, so that may not be exact)-- you can
choose between "Original HTML", Simple HTML" and "Plain Text" and I have
Plain Text chosen), and I still get the smileys as graphics (because I
have that set as well; check Preferences=>General=>Plain Text
Messages=>Show emoticons as graphics). Trust me, I've been using
Mozilla-based browsers and mail a long time, long before they were
Mozilla (since the days there was only Netscape). You may well be
displaying HTML mail (since that's probably the default), but that is
unrelated to the smileys (since you can have them as graphics under
plain text display as well).

The thing about unreadable more likely refers to those who use
command-line mail clients like mutt or pine, because they like them, or
because they run a box without X (and just because you don't have X
doesn't mean that you shouldn't be able to read and respond to your
mail-- this is Linux, after all).

But as I understand it, HTML mail in a command-line mail reader dispays
all the HTML tags-- and if you've ever tried to read the source of an
HTML page, you know that trying to read *just* the text amongst the tags
is a fast way to a severe headache. We're all volunteers here; not many
are willing to risk a migraine just to determine the text of your
question amidst completely unnecessary HTML tags.

It's a big world out there. People have very different needs and use
Gentoo in very different ways, but they come here anyway to help each
other out.

It's only decent to make that as easy as possible for them (especially
when you're asking strangers for help), and the first step is not
assuming that everyone is "just like you" (generic you)-- meaning, using
X, on a desktop, on a client (as opposed to a server), working on a
local machine (as opposed to ssl-ing into a remote machine), or have
broadband and lots of disk space (so the size of HTML mail plus possible
embedded fonts[!!] is not relevant).

All we're interested in is the text of one's question anyway; there's no
reason to send anything more than that, and doing so ensures that
everyone who might be able to answer can easily read and understand what
your problem is.

Holly
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jangar schreef:
> hi
>

Oh, I forgot to say hi to jangar
(That's me, you'll get used to it, hopefully ).

Hi, jangar! Nice to meet you. Welcome in!

Holly

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On Monday 19 December 2005 22:58, Holly Bostick wrote:
> That does not mean that the mail is showing up as HTML. That conversion
> from a text smiley to a graphical smiley is a feature of the Mozilla
> mail readers (MozMail and Thunderbird); it converts the smileys it knows
> to graphics. It doesn't know all of them-- this.--> --> will not
> show up as a graphic.

It does in kmail. So neh-neh-ne-ne-nehh, my mail client is better than yours.
etc.

> The thing about unreadable more likely refers to those who use
> command-line mail clients like mutt or pine, because they like them, or
> because they run a box without X (and just because you don't have X
> doesn't mean that you shouldn't be able to read  and respond to your
> mail-- this is Linux, after all).

Actually most console based mail clients can read html mail without needing X.
Not to demean any of the other (excellent) arguments against html mail, but
sometimes people do insist on sending it So in mutt, you would include
the directive:

auto_view text/html

And have an entry like this in your /etc/mailcap or ~/.mailcap -

text/html; /usr/bin/lynx -force_html '%s'; needsterminal; description=HTML
Text; nametemplate=%s.html

You can see all sorts of obnoxious mail attachments this way, such as msword
via catdoc, and so forth.

Ben


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Ben wrote:

>On Monday 19 December 2005 22:58, Holly Bostick wrote:
>
>
>>That does not mean that the mail is showing up as HTML. That conversion
>>from a text smiley to a graphical smiley is a feature of the Mozilla
>>mail readers (MozMail and Thunderbird); it converts the smileys it knows
>>to graphics. It doesn't know all of them-- this.--> --> will not
>>show up as a graphic.
>>
>>
>
>It does in kmail. So neh-neh-ne-ne-nehh, my mail client is better than yours.
>etc.
>
>

My Mozilla did too. LOL

>
>
>>The thing about unreadable more likely refers to those who use
>>command-line mail clients like mutt or pine, because they like them, or
>>because they run a box without X (and just because you don't have X
>>doesn't mean that you shouldn't be able to read and respond to your
>>mail-- this is Linux, after all).
>>
>>
>
>Actually most console based mail clients can read html mail without needing X.
>Not to demean any of the other (excellent) arguments against html mail, but
>sometimes people do insist on sending it So in mutt, you would include
>the directive:
>
>auto_view text/html
>
>And have an entry like this in your /etc/mailcap or ~/.mailcap -
>
>text/html; /usr/bin/lynx -force_html '%s'; needsterminal; description=HTML
>Text; nametemplate=%s.html
>
>You can see all sorts of obnoxious mail attachments this way, such as msword
>via catdoc, and so forth.
>
>Ben
>
>
>
>
I see where she is coming from though. She is one smart cookie,
Wonder if she can tell me how I can tell Mozilla I want to "watch" a
specific thread? I can tell it to unwatch one but not to watch one.
Strange huh?

Dale


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I have four rigs:

1: Home built; Abit NF7 ver 2.0 w/ AMD 2500+ CPU, 1GB of ram and right now two 80GB hard drives.
2: Home built; Iwill KK266-R w/ AMD 1GHz CPU, 256MBs of ram and a 4GB drive.
3: Home built; Gigabyte GA-71XE4 w/ 800MHz CPU, 128MBs of ram and a 2.5GB drive.
4: Compaq Proliant 6000 Server w/ Quad 200MHz CPUs, 128MBs of ram and a 4.3GB SCSI drive.

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Ben schreef:
> On Monday 19 December 2005 22:58, Holly Bostick wrote:
>
>> That does not mean that the mail is showing up as HTML. That
>> conversion from a text smiley to a graphical smiley is a feature of
>> the Mozilla mail readers (MozMail and Thunderbird); it converts the
>> smileys it knows to graphics. It doesn't know all of them--
>> this.--> --> will not show up as a graphic.
>
>
> It does in kmail. So neh-neh-ne-ne-nehh, my mail client is better
> than yours. etc.

Actually, it shows as a graphic inT-bird as well. They've expanded their
list, and I picked the wrong one.

How about this, then--> ?
>
>
>> The thing about unreadable more likely refers to those who use
>> command-line mail clients like mutt or pine, because they like
>> them, or because they run a box without X (and just because you
>> don't have X doesn't mean that you shouldn't be able to read and
>> respond to your mail-- this is Linux, after all).
>
>
> Actually most console based mail clients can read html mail without
> needing X. Not to demean any of the other (excellent) arguments
> against html mail, but sometimes people do insist on sending it
> So in mutt, you would include the directive:
>
> auto_view text/html
>
> And have an entry like this in your /etc/mailcap or ~/.mailcap -
>
> text/html; /usr/bin/lynx -force_html '%s'; needsterminal;
> description=HTML Text; nametemplate=%s.html

Not to disrespect your mad cli skills, but that's a lot of additon
there. Is the 'average' mutt user going to want to do all that? I am
really asking, since I don't know anything about what the 'average' mutt
user might want to do or be capable of doing under 'average'
circumstances, simply by virtue of being a person who uses and enjoys
mutt (which is on my list of apps to try one day).

>
> You can see all sorts of obnoxious mail attachments this way, such as
> msword via catdoc, and so forth.

I was about to say, "Why on earth would you send a Word attachment to a
mailing list?", then I thought about some of the posts I've seen on MLs
this past week-- somebody sent a *10MB* trace log attachment to the Wine
list.... so I realize that I already know that there are some people so
clueless that they seem almost mad. So it is apparently important to
tell people not to do such things (just as it is important to instruct
people not to put their cat/dog in the microwave to dry them off after a
bath).

<sigh>

Holly
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Holly Bostick wrote:

> So it is apparently important to
>tell people not to do such things (just as it is important to instruct
>people not to put their cat/dog in the microwave to dry them off after a
>bath).
>
><sigh>
>
>Holly
>
>
OK, she is smart and funny. Trying to picture what she would look
like. This ain't in Mozilla thingy either but you know what it is.
O_O LOL

Dale

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I have four rigs:

1: Home built; Abit NF7 ver 2.0 w/ AMD 2500+ CPU, 1GB of ram and right now two 80GB hard drives.
2: Home built; Iwill KK266-R w/ AMD 1GHz CPU, 256MBs of ram and a 4GB drive.
3: Home built; Gigabyte GA-71XE4 w/ 800MHz CPU, 128MBs of ram and a 2.5GB drive.
4: Compaq Proliant 6000 Server w/ Quad 200MHz CPUs, 128MBs of ram and a 4.3GB SCSI drive.

All run Gentoo Linux, all run folding. #1 is my desktop, 2, 3, and 4 are set up as servers.

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On 12/19/05, Holly Bostick <motub.TakeThisOut@planet.nl> wrote:
> tell people not to do such things (just as it is important to instruct
> people not to put their cat/dog in the microwave to dry them off after a
> bath).

Come-on Holly, _everybody_ knows that you dry pets off by putting them
in the clothes dryer!

Actually I have a friend whose cat jumped in the dryer without him
noticing...until
"meeoooww...thunk....meeeooooooww....thunk....mmeeeeooowww...thunk".

Sorry for going so far off-topic, but this whole thread is kind of pointless.

-Richard

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