[gentoo-dev] who renamed adsl-start to pppoe-start and why

> how ca i make sure that i am informed earlier about such changes?

While you wee emerging rp-pppe, there was a message on the screen that
informed your about that.

But it didn't inform you, that there is no new /etc/init.d-script
anymore, any your know have to use /etc/conf.d/net.

I don't when the init.d-script disappeared from the ebuilds, but well: i
still used it and didn't know about the baselayout-support for pppoe.



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>> I don't when the init.d-script disappeared from the ebuilds, but well: i
>> still used it and didn't know about the baselayout-support for pppoe.
>
> May I suggest reading the fine handbook?
> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=4&chap=3#doc_chap4

RTFM - that's always a good hint - but how often and when do i have to
RTFM? and if i read it today and already read it yesterday, then what
changed since yesterday?

Somehow i always get to know the changes, but it's hard to follow!
That's all i'm saying - and in addition, there is the old "messages
printed by the ebuilds scroll by and are read by almost nobody"-thing
that was partly improved by some tools that record those messages (which
IMHO is not satisfying, because i'd like to see some special mechanism
so that the writer of the ebuild can notify root of some tasks that have
to be performed)

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On Friday 31 March 2006 18:15, Sven Köhler wrote:
> >> I don't when the init.d-script disappeared from the ebuilds, but well: i
> >> still used it and didn't know about the baselayout-support for pppoe.
> >
> > May I suggest reading the fine handbook?
> > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=4&chap=3#doc_
> >chap4
>
> RTFM - that's always a good hint - but how often and when do i have to
> RTFM?

if some had their way, you'd RTFM everytime you had a question ... but really
that's not realistic by any stretch
-mike

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060331 Jakub Moc wrote:
> Sven Köhler wrote:
>> I don't when the init.d-script disappeared from the ebuilds:
>> i still used it and didn't know about the baselayout-support for pppoe.
> May I suggest reading the fine handbook?
> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=4&chap=3#doc_chap4

Yes, it's beautiful,
but it doesn't tell you in which file to enter the lines :

config_eth0=( "adsl" )
adsl_user_eth0="username"

Where do you put them ? And yes, I have had a look in /etc/ppp
& all I can see is pppoe.conf , which doesn't look like that.
I handled the change by editing /etc/init.d/rp-pppoe , which now says :

depend() {
use net
before ntpd
after domainname
}

start() {
ebegin "Starting pppoe (adsl)"
start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --exec /usr/sbin/pppoe-start
eend $?
}

stop() {
ebegin "Stopping pppoe (adsl)"
start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --exec /usr/sbin/pppoe-stop
eend $?
}

and my machine connects to the Internet correctly at every boot.

Really, this change has not been adequately documented or publicised:
that does happen sometimes, but when it does, it needs attention.

Thanks as always to the devs for their volunteer work.

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On Friday 31 March 2006 20:56, Philip Webb wrote:
> 060331 Jakub Moc wrote:
> > Sven Köhler wrote:
> >> I don't when the init.d-script disappeared from the ebuilds:
> >> i still used it and didn't know about the baselayout-support for pppoe.
> >
> > May I suggest reading the fine handbook?
> > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=4&chap=3#doc_
> >chap4
>
> Yes, it's beautiful,
> but it doesn't tell you in which file to enter the lines :
>
> config_eth0=( "adsl" )
> adsl_user_eth0="username"

if you think about it logically, /etc/conf.d/net is the only place it fits
-mike

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On Saturday 01 April 2006 02:56, Philip Webb wrote:
> 060331 Jakub Moc wrote:
> > Sven Köhler wrote:
> >> I don't when the init.d-script disappeared from the ebuilds:
> >> i still used it and didn't know about the baselayout-support for pppoe.
> >
> > May I suggest reading the fine handbook?
> > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=4&chap=3#doc_
> >chap4
>
> Yes, it's beautiful,
> but it doesn't tell you in which file to enter the lines :
>

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=4&chap=1#doc_chap1

Same bat handbook, but bat chapter 1

This sample paragraph stands out

"Gentoo's RC system now knows about that interface. It also needs to know how
to configure the new interface. All the network interfaces are configured
in /etc/conf.d/net"

So yes it does.

Also, /etc/conf.d/net.example is a dead giveaway for maybe /etc/conf.d/net?

Nah, too obvious.

Thanks

Roy

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060401 Roy Marples wrote:
> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=4&chap=1#doc_chap1

-- useful advice snipped --

Thanks for the pointers: I will look into configuring ADSL that way.

It is debatable whether users whose systems are already working properly
should be expected to read sections of the Handbook
merely in order to accommodate a newly-introduced form of configuration
or whether some brief note in the emerge output or in GWN
would be a better way of alerting them to such changes,
but we all have other things to do today & I won't take it further.

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