A few questions

In <4adfea26$0$56769$edfadb0f@dtext02.news.tele.dk>, on 10/22/2009
at 07:14 AM, DenverD <spam.trap.RemoveThis@SOMEwhere.dk> said:

>of course you are right...had forgotten...M$ has copyright notices inside
>the executables [remember, IBM & M$ teamed together to develop the
>superior OS, OS/2]

I believe that the m$ code is in PM rather than in WPS, but that IBM is
not willing to open source even the parts that are not legally encumbered.

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> That way I only need to type jau8GFeas+#j0 and I am in.

you forgot to give us your dotted quad

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On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:06:00 +0200
DenverD <spam.trap DeleteThis @SOMEwhere.dk> wrote:

>> That way I only need to type jau8GFeas+#j0 and I am in.
>
>you forgot to give us your dotted quad
>

houghi.org has address 87.238.162.43


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On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:54:25 -0600
Will Honea <whonea.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

>but I'm seeing too
>much bloat in both KDE and Gnome without the flexibility so m looking
>for a simpler way to go without losing the features.

I would start by installing every desktop/window manager that openSUSE
offers and check each one out. Find the ones that seem 'natural' to you
and have the required features. Then let some of your clients check it
out, see which one they liked.

We did that with Ubuntu/Kubuntu when we were switching over a client
from Windows to Linux about three years ago. We upgraded two of their
machines, one with Ubuntu (GNOME) and one with Kubuntu (KDE) and let
them use them for several weeks. They settled on Kubuntu.


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On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:07:26 +0200, houghi wrote:

> Rick wrote:
>> When you installed, did you install KDE, Gnome or other environment,
>> and then switch the window manager, or are you using Windowmaker
>> standalone?
>
> I install KDE and GNOME as well as Windowmaker during the installation.
> The reason is that it 'only' takes up HD space and I use GNOME and KDE
> programs anyway.
>
> I use KDM and at the first login I select Windowmaker.
>
Thanks. I didn't something similar when I was using Windowmaker fairly
exclusively.

Another couple of questions, if you don't mind.

How do you manage fonts in Windowmaker. The only solution manipulating
fonts is to use something like Gnome's control center.

How do you control your wired and wireless network under Windowmaker.

At least I've got pYneighborhood working this time

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Kevin Nathan wrote:

> On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:54:25 -0600
> Will Honea <whonea RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>but I'm seeing too
>>much bloat in both KDE and Gnome without the flexibility so m looking
>>for a simpler way to go without losing the features.
>
> I would start by installing every desktop/window manager that openSUSE
> offers and check each one out. Find the ones that seem 'natural' to you
> and have the required features. Then let some of your clients check it
> out, see which one they liked.
>
> We did that with Ubuntu/Kubuntu when we were switching over a client
> from Windows to Linux about three years ago. We upgraded two of their
> machines, one with Ubuntu (GNOME) and one with Kubuntu (KDE) and let
> them use them for several weeks. They settled on Kubuntu.

That's where I'm headed but the major hangup is any change at all since they
most of the desktops are recent converts from Windows - mostly XP - and I'm
getting this "you want us to change AGAIN?" response. My current
inclination is to leave 11.1/KDE3 in place for a year or so before fighting
the battle and then switching the desktop at the same time I upgrade the
os. For a novice Linux user coming from Windows the change in appearance
alone is a problem. Is there anything out there to make KDE4 look and act
like KDE3? that might also be a possibility.

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On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:57:08 -0600
Will Honea <whonea DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

>That's where I'm headed but the major hangup is any change at all
>since they most of the desktops are recent converts from Windows -
>mostly XP - and I'm getting this "you want us to change AGAIN?"
>response.

Well, I would remind them that every time they upgraded Windows, they
had to re-learn many things -- I'm still hearing that complaint from
the Windows users I know. With many Linux desktop/window managers, the
look and feel doesn't change very fast (except KDE and GNOME which I
believe are trying to hard to mimic their respective target markets of
Windows and Apple). For example, icewm still has the Windows 98-like
look and feel that I first saw back in 2000. I'm not as familiar with
XFCE, so not sure how much it might have changed, but from some
screenshots I have seen, it might be a contender for you. I believe
fvwm2 also has not changed its look very much.

For more desktop/window managers, see:

http://xwinman.org/

there might be some gems in there for you!


>My current inclination is to leave 11.1/KDE3 in place for a
>year or so before fighting the battle and then switching the desktop
>at the same time I upgrade the os. For a novice Linux user coming
>from Windows the change in appearance alone is a problem. Is there
>anything out there to make KDE4 look and act like KDE3? that might
>also be a possibility.
>

I don't use KDE4, will probably look at it again in another few months,
but I have heard people say (on this newsgroup) that they have it
looking pretty close to KDE 3.5.

XFCE might be your closest match. The latest screenshots (2005) on
xwinman.org seem to look close to WinXP.


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On Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:11:39 +0200, houghi wrote:

> Rick wrote:
>> Another couple of questions, if you don't mind.
>
> No problem.
>
>> How do you manage fonts in Windowmaker. The only solution manipulating
>> fonts is to use something like Gnome's control center.
>
> I don't. I just dump them in /usr/share/fonts and then run a script for
> ImageMagick. That is however ImageMagick related and not desktop
> related.

I'll have to take a look at ImageMagick. The font I was talking of are
for the Windows stuff... toolbars, File, edit... that stuff.

>
>> How do you control your wired and wireless network under Windowmaker.
>
> Wired is easy. I plug in the wire and I have a connection. Just like I
> would if I would start with KDE or GNOME or with `init 3` and is not
> desktop related.
> Wireless is not something I have. I have looked into it a little bit and
> I would use the same tools as others would under GNOME or KDE. It is not
> desktop related.
>
>> At least I've got pYneighborhood working this time
>
> I have no idea what that is. However I asume it is also not desktop
> related.
>

It is desktop related. It is a python based smb front end for mounting
shares. I had it working in Ubuntu and PCLinuxOS, but can't find it for
opensuse, but Dolphin seems to pick up the shares OK. I think that after
I install Gnome in opensuse and start the Gnome-settings Daemon, the
window fonts will look better, too. Or.. I'll be able to figure out
ImageMagick,

> For me Windowmaker, GNOME, KDE, IceWM, AnyOther, are just programs that
> drop programs on my screen. The reason I don't like KDE and GNOME (and
> Windows) is that they also drop icons on my screen. I also dislike the
> taskbar idea.
>
> I could turn KDE and GNOME into something I would like, but why all the
> work if I have something that does what I like?
>
> If I would like a taskbar, I would go for IceWM.
>
> houghi

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