A few questions

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DenverD wrote:

>> Running neither GNOME nor KDE and never had any of these issues.
>
> i remember reading before what DE you run, but have forgotten...remind
> me, please..
>
> i've looked at several and so far none have pleased me like Warp and
> its desktop did..

I'm running KDE 3.5 here and so are the groups I provide support for - they
are the big problem for me with KDE 4. So far I've gotten totally negative
reactions to switching from 3.5 to 4.3 because of the time and training
costs.

I still think the Warp 4 desktop was the most useful one I've found. I
still use it for supporting some instrumentation systems I designed as much
as 20 years ago - mainly because of the cross-compilers I have plus the
hardware design info (I built them from the ground up). Between the
desktop and the thread model, nothing else has come close.

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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:40:00 GMT
Vahis <waxborg.RemoveThis@gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

>On 2009-10-21, houghi <houghi.RemoveThis@houghi.org.invalid> wrote:
>> DenverD wrote:
>>
>> And the carpet does not have to match the curtains.
>>
>
>They don't need to.
>But I prefer it when there's carpet. I always have, dark carpets.
>
>Good ol' days everybody had carpets.
>They've been almost totally out of the picture for quite some time,
>but I'm starting to see some sort of renaissance lately...
>

Seems like, around here, everyone has fully-carpetted floors. I prefer
hardwood floors (with area or throw rugs) everywhere except kitchen and
bathroom where I prefer stone floors.

That's why I seem to prefer the lighter-weight DM/WMs like WindowMaker
and icewm; they are more hardwood and stone floors where KDE and GNOME
are a more uncomfortable, deep shag carpet...

But that's why it is so good to have choice!


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On 2009-10-21, houghi <houghi RemoveThis @houghi.org.invalid> wrote:
> DenverD wrote:
>>> Never botherd to do that. Firefox looks a bit different then k3b and
>>> gqview. However as they do differnt things, I do not realy care.
>>
>> i with you on that one....i mean like, even if my clothes washer and
>> clothes dryer do not "match"--BIG deal!
>
> And the carpet does not have to match the curtains.
>

They don't need to.
But I prefer it when there's carpet. I always have, dark carpets.

Good ol' days everybody had carpets.
They've been almost totally out of the picture for quite some time,
but I'm starting to see some sort of renaissance lately...


Vahis
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> I still think the Warp 4 desktop ... nothing else has come close.

agree...i wonder (if IBM would open source the code) if it would be
possible to hack up a Warp (object oriented) desktop as just another
DE available... ???

like we need another DE to argue about....OH, and could argue about
'e' (the Warp version of vi--but MUCH better!!)....

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On October 21, 2009 14:04, in alt.os.linux.suse, DenverD
(spam.trap@SOMEwhere.dk) wrote:

>> I still think the Warp 4 desktop ... nothing else has come close.
>
> agree...i wonder (if IBM would open source the code)

IIRC, that option has been rejected a number of times by IBM. Apparently,
there's licenced, propriatary IP in OS/2 (Workplace Desktop and all) that
would prevent it from being relicenced with a FOSS licence.

> if it would be
> possible to hack up a Warp (object oriented) desktop as just another
> DE available... ???

I vaguely recall hearing about an OO desktop environment for X, but I have
no specifics about it. Nextstep, perhaps? Or something like it?

> like we need another DE to argue about....OH, and could argue about
> 'e' (the Warp version of vi--but MUCH better!!)....
>

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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:27:29 +0200, houghi wrote:

> Rick wrote:
>> Are you able to get KDE apps and GTK/Gnomes apps to look the same or
>> share themes?
>
> Never botherd to do that. Firefox looks a bit different then k3b and
> gqview. However as they do differnt things, I do not realy care.
>
> I asume that I could make the things all look alike, but openSUSE
> already has done much of the work there. I do not care that they use
> different icons for some things (if they do, I am not even sure).
>
>
> houghi

Fair enough. I have figured out pyNeighborhood to mount shares. Is there
a way to mount things like USB drives and keys dynamically? .. stick one
in, and it shows in a file manager?

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Rick

>>> I still think the Warp 4 desktop ... nothing else has come close.
>> agree...i wonder (if IBM would open source the code)
>
> IIRC, that option has been rejected a number of times by IBM. Apparently,
> there's licenced, propriatary IP in OS/2 (Workplace Desktop and all) that
> would prevent it from being relicenced with a FOSS licence.

of course you are right...had forgotten...M$ has copyright notices
inside the executables [remember, IBM & M$ teamed together to develop
the superior OS, OS/2]

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#1 SMP i686 athlon

DenverD wrote:

>>>> I still think the Warp 4 desktop ... nothing else has come close.
>>> agree...i wonder (if IBM would open source the code)
>>
>> IIRC, that option has been rejected a number of times by IBM. Apparently,
>> there's licenced, propriatary IP in OS/2 (Workplace Desktop and all) that
>> would prevent it from being relicenced with a FOSS licence.
>
> of course you are right...had forgotten...M$ has copyright notices
> inside the executables [remember, IBM & M$ teamed together to develop
> the superior OS, OS/2]

I haven't looked at the source files I have in several years but ISTR that
there was another outfit (not MS) that developed the WPS and still holds
the copyrights. FWIW, there are still customers paying for IBM support of
OS/2 which is why several updates never made it out to general users. I
just liked the whole framework - it was 100% object oriented which made
programming it a pleasure once you got past the learning curve. Anyway,
IBM blew its' chance so we go with what we've got now but I'm seeing too
much bloat in both KDE and Gnome without the flexibility so m looking for a
simpler way to go without losing the features. The organizations I work
with want to settle on working environment that can be upgraded w/o having
to train the staffs on an entire new way of doing things every couple of
years. If I could make KDE4 look and feel like KDE3 I would welcome the
improvements but there are too many changes to the "how do I ...?"
questions - not to mention what feels like an early beta.

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On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:31:31 +0200, houghi wrote:

> Rick wrote:
>> Fair enough. I have figured out pyNeighborhood to mount shares. Is
>> there a way to mount things like USB drives and keys dynamically? ..
>> stick one in, and it shows in a file manager?
>
> I use `mc` as file manager and when I put in a USB drive, they show up
> in /media
>
> houghi

OK. Thanks.
When you installed, did you install KDE, Gnome or other environment, and
then switch the window manager, or are you using Windowmaker standalone?



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Rick

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