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MJ Ray

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Since: Mar 11, 2007
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(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:20 pm
Post subject: Re: Short copyright notice in script file [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Sean Kellogg <skellogg.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday 16 March 2009 04:17:35 am MJ Ray wrote:
> > Sean Kellogg <skellogg.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Just in the interest of clearing up common copyright law
> > > misunderstandings, the right to redistribute is not a matter of
> > > copyright law. [...]
> >
> > Distribution is mentioned explicitly [...CDPA 1988...]
>
> Damned if I do... damned if I don't. Can't really help the UK if
> they have decided to extend copyright law to mean something beyond
> the rights surrounding copying of a thing. Copyright law has no more
> business governing what one does with a *thing* after it has been
> produced than patent law has to do with trademarks. The concepts all
> intersect in interesting ways, but the scope of the subject matter is
> reasonable well defined.

I used to write similar things, then I sat on my lawyer's knee[*] and
he explained to me that copyright is now an arbitrary property of a
work and not only the right to copy it. While the Berne Convention
doesn't explicitly mention distribution in this context, it does
mention other non-copying acts and distribution is mentioned for
cinematographic adaptations, I think it's pretty clear that
distribution is regarded as part of the Convention's copyright
concept. http://www.law.cornell.edu/treaties/berne/overview.html

[*] - this event has been invented for the dramatisation.

I think the provisions in UK legislation mostly appear in EU
directives, so most of the EU is probably similar and this isn't as
bizarre and marginal a problem as the above suggests.

I'd probably agree that copyright should limit itself to copying and
distribution methods should be a topic for moral rights, but the US
approach to moral rights is even more bizarre than the EU approach to
copyright IIRC.

> But, seriously, I'm not gonna play the "not in my jurisdiction
> game"... it's a game one cannot possible win, and ultimately not very
> interesting or helpful.

Sure, but one also needs to acknowledge one's limitations and avoid
things like labelling correct understanding of the horrible EU
copyright law as "common copyright law misunderstandings". It's
stupid, evil, bad and wrong, but not misunderstood!

Regards,
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Ken Arromdee

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Since: Jan 05, 2009
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:20 pm
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As I pointed out, in the US, First Sale is in title 17, chapter 1, section 109.

# Notwithstanding the provisions of section 106 (3), the owner of a
# particular copy or phonorecord lawfully made under this title, or any
# person authorized by such owner, is entitled, without the authority of
# the copyright owner, to sell or otherwise dispose of the possession of
# that copy or phonorecord.

This would seem to cover it, as long as the work was copyrighted in the US.
(US courts have not decided on First Sale applied to works copyrighted
outside the US.)


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