Roy Schestowitz

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:01:14 +0000, tjb wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've been reading this group for about six years, which I know is not as
> long as some of you, but I must say I'm very disappointed with "Roy
> Schestowitz". As far as I remember, he suddenly appeared out of nowhere
> a couple of years ago, and he has since flooded this group on a daily
> basis.
>
> It's like someone turning up at your house and wrecking the place.
>
> I know the standard reply is "just killfile him", but that only solves
> the problem on *my* end. Everyone else, too, would have to killfile him
> to make the group readable, and many people just won't bother and will
> go elsewhere, which is a shame.
>
> I say bring back the pre-Schestowitz days of the Mike Cox trolls, the
> John Bailo musings, the "flatfish" accusations, etc. This new-look
> c.o.l.a is pretty lame.
>
> Regards,
> Tom

PLONK!

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operating systems."

"Don Zeigler" <sitting.TakeThisOut@this.computer> schreef in bericht
news:f7krvn06qg59$.dlg@this.domain.or.that...
> tjb wrote:
>
>> Hi
>
> PLONK
>
*PLANK*
<aside>
Keep talking Don, someday you'll say something intelligent.

"Terry Porter" <linux-2.DeleteThis@netspace.net.au> schreef in bericht
news:hNCdnQj0cZDdUG_XnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@netspace.net.au...
> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:01:14 +0000, tjb wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've been reading this group for about six years, which I know is not as
>> long as some of you, but I must say I'm very disappointed with "Roy
>> Schestowitz". As far as I remember, he suddenly appeared out of nowhere
>> a couple of years ago, and he has since flooded this group on a daily
>> basis.
>>
>> It's like someone turning up at your house and wrecking the place.
>>
>> I know the standard reply is "just killfile him", but that only solves
>> the problem on *my* end. Everyone else, too, would have to killfile him
>> to make the group readable, and many people just won't bother and will
>> go elsewhere, which is a shame.
>>
>> I say bring back the pre-Schestowitz days of the Mike Cox trolls, the
>> John Bailo musings, the "flatfish" accusations, etc. This new-look
>> c.o.l.a is pretty lame.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tom
>
> PLONK!
>
*PLANK*
--
Terry-tard is in a weird competition with Peter-tard, in COLA's "classic"
*cockups* contest < lol >
Terry Porter's "classic" *cockups* :
<Terry Porter: "not the sharpest knife in the drawer, he's more like a bent
spoon">
"Ok ok I've added the odd program for her, all from my PC via *telnet*, but
she doesnt know I'm doing it and just keeps right on using her PC."
"I charge *friends* $100 to install Linux and the apps they want, after that
I admin it for a few months, remotely, then they are on their own."
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread/th...d/679f9
Terry Porter: FWBuilder does not exist for Windows.
http://www.fwbuilder.org/netcitadel/index.html
"To see Ubuntu kicking Vista arse is quite a sight."
"Consider this, XP is 7 years old and according to my records only doing
twice as well as Linux, which is doing better than Vista."
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp
Terry Porter "I Use Telnet To Administer My Client's Machines"
http://wifi.homelinux.com/docuwiki/doku.php?id=x10_home_automation
Terry Porter: "Lots of high quality Linux applications are NOT *available*
for *Windows* : Gimp, Gnuplot, Gnumeric, Mplayer, Gkrellm, Evince, Mutt."
<Liarnut's reply in cola>
"You need to do better research, Terry. I knew about most of those from
having used them. The rest were found with a simple query: xxxxxx for
windows."
"You'd have to have more cash than brains to choose the lacklustre 7 year
old XP POS, over a modern up to date Linux distribution that includes Open
Office, Firefox web browser, movie and picture viewers etc."
<Hadrons reply in cola>
Oh no. Terry still doesn't realise they are free and available for Windows
too.
Terry *Tel* net Terry: "As I'm in Australia posting on a Saturday morning at
1:16Am, and he is following up within a few minutes of my posts, I thing
clogwog is living in Australia, as has been suggested."
<Hadrons reply in cola>
"Yes, because a usenet post takes 24 hours to get to europe eh Tel? lol How
clueless can he be?"
Terry Porter in COLA: "XP just doesnt like SSDs, and Linux just loves them."
* DFS: "Practically everything you say is wrong or just plain stupid.
http://tinyurl.com/cqmfhf"
* Dr. Smith: "I'm telling you, Terry Porter has got to be a reverse troll
because nobody could be consistently wrong as much as he is without doing it
on purpose."
"Windows 7 will never support USB 3"
"Linux doesn't have data corruption problems"
"64-bit Vista is limited to 4GB of RAM"
"Microsoft advertising campaign is actually an actress"
"Apps that run on Linux under Wine, are now Linux programs"
"The *serial* *child* killer 'son of sam' had such a horrific childhood, and
it drove him insane.
<Son of Sam was not a serial child killer:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Berkowitz >


<more to come>
LMFAO!!!

tjb wrote:

>I know the standard reply is "just killfile him", but that only solves the
>problem on *my* end. Everyone else, too, would have to killfile him to make
>the group readable,

That's "everyone else's" opinion, choice, and decision to make, isn't
it?

*plonk*

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:01:14 +0000, tjb <tjb.RemoveThis@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>Hi,

>I've been reading this group for about six years, which I know is not as
>long as some of you, but I must say I'm very disappointed with "Roy
>Schestowitz". As far as I remember, he suddenly appeared out of nowhere a
>couple of years ago, and he has since flooded this group on a daily basis.

>It's like someone turning up at your house and wrecking the place.

>I know the standard reply is "just killfile him", but that only solves the
>problem on *my* end. Everyone else, too, would have to killfile him to make
>the group readable, and many people just won't bother and will go
>elsewhere, which is a shame.

>I say bring back the pre-Schestowitz days of the Mike Cox trolls, the John
>Bailo musings, the "flatfish" accusations, etc. This new-look c.o.l.a is
>pretty lame.

I prefer having his postings.

And, WTF is so hard about killfiling him if you don't like him?
You can bring back the pre-sch. days instantly. Use your killfile.

On Nov 5, 8:13 am, Don Zeigler <sitt... DeleteThis @this.computer> wrote:
>
> ...How do they get the deer to cross at the signs?

That's easy if you're a hunter. Deer like to go along trails. Or you
can put Deer Cocaine at the signposts.

RL

Clogwog wrote:
> "Don Zeigler" <sitting DeleteThis @this.computer> schreef in bericht
> news:f7krvn06qg59$.dlg@this.domain.or.that...
>> tjb wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>
>> PLONK
>>
> *PLANK*
> <aside>
> Keep talking Don, someday you'll say something intelligent.


Only by accident.

"DFS" <nospam DeleteThis @dfs_.com> schreef in bericht news:hculit$ink$1@aioe.org...
> Clogwog wrote:
>> "Don Zeigler" <sitting DeleteThis @this.computer> schreef in bericht
>> news:f7krvn06qg59$.dlg@this.domain.or.that...
>>> tjb wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>
>>> PLONK
>>>
>> *PLANK*
>> <aside>
>> Keep talking Don, someday you'll say something intelligent.
>
>
> Only by accident.
>
Maybe in a bright moment!, he's not a lost case like 7, HPT, Kohltard,
Willy, Terry e.t.c.

"tjb" <tjb.RemoveThis@invalid.invalid> schreef in bericht
news:jy81sqi44p7b.dlg@tjb.invalid.invalid...
> Hi,
>
> I've been reading this group for about six years

Welcome back and read the new FAQ:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+
+ C.O.L.A. Newcomer FAQ and Primer
+ Edition: 23 - 10/24/07
+ Group: comp.os.linux.advocacy
+
+ Copyright (c) 2002-2006 Linux Reality Team
+
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Welcome to comp.os.linux.advocacy, otherwise known as cola.
This FAQ will try to address most of the issues regarding Linux and
this group. Unlike the other FAQs, this one will try to be as
realistic as possible. If you want the straight information from
real people, continue reading. If you would like to be told what
you want to hear, or read a bunch of misinformation that you will
regret later as you find things don't work as they should, feel free
to read one of the other "FAQS" in here.

OK, on to the info! ADDED NEW SECTION BELOW!

Here's a list of some frequently asked and answered question here
and elsewhere that you may find useful in your quest to try linux.
Read these carefully before you decide to invest time in Linux, you
may find that you have better things you can do instead.

SECTION ONE - INSTALLATION
--------------------------

1.1 Q: I heard linux was easy to install, is it?
A: That depends on what distro you try. Most of them will have
trouble detecting all your hardware. Most new hardware devices
are not supported. If your lucky you might be able to find
something that someone threw together on the net. But that's
after spending a couple hours searching and probably won't take
advantage of your hardware to it's fullest capability.

1.2 Q: Once I get it installed, then what?
A: Then you get the joy of making sure everything is configured
right. Plan on a minimum of two hours per device to get it to
work. That's if the device is even supported.

1.3 Q: What happens if I'm in the middle of an install and the
installation freezes or just stops?
A: You get to reboot and start all over again. This happens
every so often with Linux. It seems like it's buggy install
routines or something. Ain't Linux grand?

1.4 Q: What's the deal?! I installed Linux and it took up almost 2GB
hard drive space!
A: The Linux distros usually install a LOT of never-used programs
on the default install. You can pick and choose what you want,
but good luck figuring out what programs are needed and what is
useless, obscure tools. Linux usually installs stuff like 10
different editors, 12 different mail clients, and so on.

(more to come...)

SECTION TWO - CONFIGURATION
---------------------------

2.1 Q: What's with all these cryptic files?
A: All of Linux is configured with cryptic text files. Some of
the more user-friendly distros have configuration utilities
that claim to do it for you, but success with these works
sometimes and other times don't, so sometimes you have to
edit them by hand. With Linux's spotty reliability in UI
programming, you might as well get used to it.

2.2 Q: What is killall, HUP, ls, cat, rm, which, etc and why are
these programs telling me to do them? Arggg!!
A: These are command line programs that do things within the
system. It's what makes Linux a powerful OS for those that
are experienced with it. But it's also what makes it a pain
in the arse to use and inefficient as a desktop system. Who
wants to type all the time when they can just click?!

(more to come...)

SECTION THREE - APPLICATIONS
----------------------------

3.1 Q: Where can I get some programs to run on linux?
A: Good question. Because Linux doesn't have a large user base
on the desktop,(I think it's about 0.24%, less than 1%)
companies that make software won't write their programs for
Linux. There's a lot of community created programs out there,
and some are fairly good, but those are few and far between.
Most of the Linux software that tries to mimic it's windows
counterpart is substandard. It's usually slow and buggy and
early in development.

3.2 Q: I tried to install an RPM but I got 'failed dependencies', what
is that?
A: That's Linux's version of DLL hell. Different versions and
distros use different libraries. So unlike windows where
programs will run on many different versions, Linux programs
will fail if they're not made for your specific version.

3.3 Q: What is compiling and configure, make and make install? And
what is a makefile?
A: This is a way to build the programs from the source code
under Linux. When the question above fails, you can always
build it yourself. The advantage is that it works most of
the time. The disadvantage is that it takes forever to build
large programs, you need to know some cryptic commands and
you have to do all this on a command line. Unlike Windows
where you just double click and you are done.

3.4 Q: Can I go to my local store to buy any Linux applications?
A: Not really. You can buy Linux itself at various stores. But
not too many commercial companies make applications for Linux,
there's no profit in it with 0.24% of the desktop market.

(more to come...)

SECTION FOUR - SPEED ISSUES
---------------------------

4.1 Q: Why is Linux so slow?
A: Linux is built on the technology of the old UNIX OS's. Even
the graphical user interface of Linux is a separate program that
is the same type they used back in the older UNIX days. So
working with old technology will give you the old technology
responsiveness. Also, a lot of the GUI's, although nice to look
at, are still not mature. Using them is slow and sluggish
compared to, say, Windows.

(more to come...)

SECTION FIVE - CONSISTENCY
--------------------------

5.1 Q: Why are the windows different looking?
A: Since Linux isn't built by one company, group or have any
governing body, programs and interfaces can vary dramatically.
You can have everything from the nice look of KDE, to something
as ugly as TK and everything in between. You'll usually see some
varying UI stile in Linux.

5.2 Q: Should I buy Suse Linux?
A: No. They make it difficult to get it for free. All the other
distros provide free ISO's to download. Suse is the only one
that doesn't provide them but instead has a FTP install that's
hard to get to work. Why should they make it easy? The more
people that can't get the download to work have to spend $80
or more for the boxed set. And on top of all that although
it might have a few more user friendly tools, it's still the
same base Linux system that's in development and that all the
other distros are using. In other words, they're all on about
the same level of struggling to catch up to Windows, so you're
not going to find any earth-shattering features in one compared
to another.

(more to come...)

SECTION SIX - LINUX COMMUNITY
-----------------------------

6.1 Q: What is RTFM?!
A: This is an acronym for Read The Fuc*ing Manual. This is a common
answer you'll get when asking for help in the Linux community.
It's meant to make you feel inadequate while boating the Linux
persons ego at the same time. See, Linux enthusiasts consider
themselves to be guru like and above helping out the simple
newbie. You have to earn your respect by spending countless
hours becoming a kernel hacker before you're worthy of getting
any help.

6.2 Q: Why does everyone think they are better than you when
using Linux?
A: Same as above. When people use Linux they believe since it
takes a little more knowledge to use Linux, they are technically
superior, and see themselves as an elite group that doesn't have
time for the pathetic little Windows people.

(more to come...)

SECTION SEVEN - LINUX ADVOCACY, HELPING OR HURTING?
---------------------------------------------------

7.1 Q: Everyone in here says linux is perfect, why would they say that
if it isn't?
A: We really don't know. Maybe they've used Linux so long that
they've gotten used to it. Some of these people haven't used
Windows in years so they are comparing Linux to the
last windows they used, maybe Windows 3.1 or 95.

7.2 Q: Why does everyone call you a troll when you ask something that
questions linux?
A: Most of the people here in C.O.L.A. think of Linux more like a
religion than an OS. They mostly are MS haters and feel that
Linux is the greatest thing to ever hit computing. So when
someone questions Linux it's like questioning their belief
system. Instead of looking at it with some logic and
reasonable judgment, they will lash out at you can't claim your
are a troll or a paid MS supporter.

7.3 Q: Why does everyone <PLONK> you if you question Linux?
A: Fairly similar to above, Linux advocates can not argue their
point rationally. So to make it look like you are under them
or you are not worth it, and at the same time find an easy
way out of having to prove themselves, they will <PLONK> you.

(more to come...)
SECTION EIGHT - LINUX EVANGELISM, ZEALOTS
-----------------------------------------

8.1 Q: There are some people that call this FAQ lies and seem to treat
it like it's a conspiracy against them, and post all sorts of links
to anti-microsoft articles. Why are they reacting so strongly?
A: The people that are reacting so strongly are most likely the
Linux extremists that believe everything negitive that is said about
Linux comes from Microsoft. Like many cult-like groups, the people
that belong to them don't have the ability to see things rationally
or outside of their view. If someone replies to the FAQ, or
anything questioning a non-favorable view on Linux, that seems a
little "over the edge", do a google search on the person
(http://groups.google.com/) and look at his/her posting history
then decide for yourself if the person is credible or not.

(more to come...)

On 2009-11-05, Tim Smith <reply_in_group.TakeThisOut@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>
>
> In article <slrnhf5n70.gop.aznomad.3.TakeThisOut@ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net>,
> AZ Nomad <aznomad.3.TakeThisOut@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
>>
>> I prefer having his postings.
>>
>> And, WTF is so hard about killfiling him if you don't like him?
>> You can bring back the pre-sch. days instantly. Use your killfile.
>
> That's the same argument the email spammers make. If you don't like all

....except they don't markup their own emails with [HEY, THIS IS SPAM]

Roy does.

[deletia]


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tjb (another flatfish (Gary Stewart) nym) wrote:

Gary is back to his nym shifting again.

PLONK!!!

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____/ tjb on Thursday 05 Nov 2009 13:01 : \____

> Hi,
>
> I've been reading this group for about six years, which I know is not as
> long as some of you, but I must say I'm very disappointed with "Roy
> Schestowitz". As far as I remember, he suddenly appeared out of nowhere a
> couple of years ago, and he has since flooded this group on a daily basis.
>
> It's like someone turning up at your house and wrecking the place.
>
> I know the standard reply is "just killfile him", but that only solves the
> problem on *my* end. Everyone else, too, would have to killfile him to make
> the group readable, and many people just won't bother and will go
> elsewhere, which is a shame.
>
> I say bring back the pre-Schestowitz days of the Mike Cox trolls, the John
> Bailo musings, the "flatfish" accusations, etc. This new-look c.o.l.a is
> pretty lame.
>
> Regards,
> Tom

Hi Gary,

New nym, eh? You must be feeling like a crowd.

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On 2009-11-06, Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups.TakeThisOut@schestowitz.com> wrote:

<snipped flatfish ravings>

> Hi Gary,
>
> New nym, eh? You must be feeling like a crowd.

Flatfish is more like a smashed chamber pot than a crowd. Piss coated
fragments lying around everywhere....

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Regards,

Gregory.
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