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Raul Miller

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 8:40 am
Post subject: [Proposal] Revised Social Contract
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This proposal serves as a replacement for my earlier proposals:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/debian-vote-200401/msg01122.html
one which is not yet in the mailing list archives, but which is quoted at
http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/debian-vote-200401/msg01184.html
and
http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/debian-vote-200401/msg01188.html

I'd like to call for seconds on this proposal, [especially from Sven
and Hamish, if this new one meets your requirements].

Changes from the previous version (msg01188.html):
[1] replace "programs" with the more general term "software" (part 5),
[2] change the free alternatives language to better reflect what
we do (part 5),
[3] Incorporate wholesale updates to parts 2, 3 and 4 as suggested
by Andrew Suffield at
http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/debian-vote-200401/msg01192.html
[4] Make explicit the constitutional removal of the DFSG from the
social contract,
[5] Remove a bit of language from the meta-title which I added in
the previous version (msg01188.html).

- --

I propose the following resolution:

We will replace our social contract with two documents, as specified
by the recent constitutional amendment. The first replacement document
will be the social contract below, and the second replacement document
will be the Debian Free Software Guidelines extracted from the remainder
of the original social contract.

Here's the replacement for the social contract:


Debian's Social Contract

The Debian Project is an association of individuals who have made common
cause to create a free operating system. This is the "social contract"
we offer to the free software community.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Social Contract" with the Free Software Community

1. Debian will remain 100% free software`

Debian exists to distribute a general purpose system composed of
entirely free software. As there are many definitions of free
software, we use the "Debian Free Software Guidelines" to determine
if software is free. We will also support our users who develop
and run other software on Debian -- free or non-free -- but we will
never make the system depend on an item of non-free software.

2. We will give back to the free software community

When we write new components of the Debian system, we will license
them in a manner consistent with the Debian Free Software Guidelines.
We will make the best system we can, so that free works will be
widely distributed and used. We will communicate things such
as bug fixes, improvements and user requests to the "upstream"
authors of works included in our system.

3. We will not hide problems

We will keep our entire bug report database open for public view
at all times. Reports that people file online will promptly become
visible to others.

4. Our priorities are our users and free software

We will be guided by the needs of our users and the free software
community. We will place their interests first in our priorities. We
will support the needs of our users for operation in many different
kinds of computing environments. We will not object to non-free
works that are intended to be used on Debian systems, or attempt to
charge a fee to people who create or use such works. We will allow
others to create distributions containing both the Debian system and
other works, without any fee from us. In furtherance of these goals,
we will provide an integrated system of high-quality materials with
no legal restrictions that would prevent such uses of the system.

5. Programs that don't meet our free-software standards

We acknowledge that some of our users require the use of software
that don't conform to the Debian Free Software Guidelines. We
support interoperability standards such as "Linux System Base", and
will accept bug reports where our system violates those standards.
To make our system more attractive to people with mild dependencies
on non-free software, we have created "contrib" and "non-free" areas
in our internet archive. The software in these directories is not
needed by most people, and we do not guarantee all software in the
non-free area may be distributed in other ways. Thus, although
we're working to reduce people's dependence on non-free software,
we support users who are still dependent. Additionally, we will
work to find, package and support free alternatives to non-free
software so people who use only free software can work with users
of non-free software.

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Raul

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 8:40 am
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Comments on my most recent proposal.

The proposal consists of four kinds of changes:

[A] Making the social contract more generic than Linux. This means
changing the meta-title (the first line of the document) from "Debian
GNU/Linux Social Contract" to "Debian's Social Contract", and
making a similar change in part 1.

[B] Making an explicit note that the recent constitutional amendment
has removed the DFSG from the Social Contract and has made it an
independent document.

[C] Incorporating changes to parts 2, 3 and 4 from Andrew Suffield's
proposal
http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/debian-vote-200401/msg01192.html

[D] Drastic changes to parts 1 and 5, explained below:


1. Debian Will Remain 100% Free Software

[note that I'm following Andrew's lead, here, and making this
title be lower case after the first word.]

There were two sentences here, in my proposal there are three.

I changed the first sentence so the point of "entirely free software"
was clear, and to not contradict the constitution, which was recently
changed to indicate that the DFSG is a different document from the
Social contract. In doing so, I split it into two sentences.

Before: We promise to keep the Debian GNU/Linux Distribution entirely
free software. As there are many definitions of free software,
we include the guidelines we use to determine if software is
"free" below.

After: Debian exists to distribute a general purpose system composed
of entirely free software. As there are many definitions of free
software, we use the "Debian Free Software Guidelines" to determine
if software is free.

I changed the second sentence to get rid of the implication that we're
providing support for non-free software which we're not providing for
free software.

Before: We will support our users who develop and run non-free software
on Debian, but we will never make the system depend on an item of
non-free software.

After: We will also support our users who develop and run other software
on Debian -- free or non-free -- but we will never make the system
depend on an item of non-free software.


5. Programs That Don't Meet Our Free-Software Standards

[note that I'm following Andrew's lead, here, and making this
title be lower case after the first word.]

There were five sentences here, in my proposal there are six.
This part of the social contract is fairly detailed, to avoid problems
with over-generalization.

I change the word "programs" to "software" in the first. This
brings it in line with the rest of the social contract and the
DFSG.

Before: We acknowledge that some of our users require the use of programs
that don't conform to the Debian Free Software Guidelines.

After: We acknowledge that some of our users require the use of software
that don't conform to the Debian Free Software Guidelines.

The LSB did not exist when the Social Contract was first written.
However, it's of critical importance in the context of supporting non-free
software, so I've added it here.

New: We support interoperability standards such as "Linux System
Base", and will accept bug reports where our system violates those
standards.

I added a statement of purpose to the next sentence, and made it a bit
less dependent on dated technology, replacing "FTP" with "internet".

Before: We have created "contrib" and "non-free" areas in our FTP
archive for this software.

After: To make our system more attractive to people with mild
dependencies on non-free software, we have created "contrib" and
"non-free" areas in our internet archive.


The next two sentences of the original were disclaimers. I combined
them into a single sentence, and made it a bit less dependent on
dated technology, and got rid of the confusing "not a part of
Debian" phrase.

Before: The software in these directories is not part of the Debian
system, although it has been configured for use with Debian. We
encourage CD manufacturers to read the licenses of software packages
in these directories and determine if they can distribute that
software on their CDs.

After: The software in these directories is not needed by most people,
and we do not guarantee all software in the non-free area may be
distributed in other ways.

The last sentence of the original was a weak rationale. I've turned it
into two sentences, making it less apologetic and saying more of what
the point is.

Before: Thus, although non-free software isn't a part of Debian,
we support its use, and we provide infrastructure (such as our
bug-tracking system and mailing lists) for non-free software
packages.


After: Thus, although we're working to reduce people's dependence
on non-free software, we support users who are still dependent.
Additionally, we will work to find, package and support free
alternatives to non-free software so people who using only free
software can work with users of non-free software.

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At the time I write this, Andrew has presented two distinct proposals.
http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2003/debian-vote-200312/msg00044.html

and
http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/debian-vote-200401/msg01192.html

I think my proposal is better than the one in msg0044.html because my
proposal offers more support for our users -- specifically new users
moving from proprietary systems, and users who must work with others
who use proprietary systems.

I think my proposal is better than the one in msg01192.html for the same
reasons Andrew offered msg0044.html -- the current social contract is
can be interpreted to say things which conflict with other things it says.

At the moment, Andrew's two proposals seem to be mutually exclusive,
but I'm going to assume he'll be resolving that issue before long.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 9:10 am
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The biggest reason for my most recent proposal is to make the social
contract say what it is that we've been doing in the context of non-free.

However, I've addressed a number of more minor problems [for example,
removing references to specific technologies, such as "GNU/Linux",
"FTP" and "CDs", and making the social contract reflect the structure
assigned to it by the most recent constitutional amendment].

Writing this proposal has been a group effort, and any mistakes are mine.
We've been asymptotically approaching what the contract should actually
say -- I hope that this proposal won't need to be updated again, but I
can't guarantee it.

If you can see a flaw in the proposal, please let me know, and suggest
an improvement.

[Sven has suggested that we alert users to the status of free replacements
for non-free software, and while the social contract doesn't mandate
this, it certainly allows for it -- so I'm not going to leave the social
contract the way it is on that point.]

If you can see no flaws in the proposal, and think it would be a
significant improvement over our current social contract, please second
it. Five seconds will be needed before the proposal can be introduced.

If you sincerely believe, for example, that users must be protected from
themselves by forcing them away from Debian if they have requirements for
non-free software (3270 users come to mind), then you needn't support
this proposal -- Andrew already has a proposal which satisfies that
world view. However, you might want to work with him on integrating
his minor cleanups with the more substansive part of that proposal.

[I understand that some people might have other reasons for supporting
Andrew's proposals, if you feel that my above example reason is unfair,
please feel free to describe the problems you see that need to be solved.]

Finally note: unless we change the DFSG to allow distribution of some
worthy unchangeable software components, or unless GNU changes the
GFDL, GNU documentation appears to only be distributable in non-free.
If we remove non-free we will apparently not be able to distribute that
documentation.

Thanks,

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 1:40 pm
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On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 06:30:48PM +0000, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> I submit that this was written without any consideration of the
> discussion following Branden's efforts earlier this year.

That's a non-issue, as near as I can tell.

If there's some problem you're trying to solve, please specify it,
perhaps by providing the unambiguous references to some place that
clearly describes these issues.

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Andrew M.A. Cater

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 2:50 pm
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On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 08:33:21AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote:
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>
> This proposal serves as a replacement for my earlier proposals:
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/debian-vote-200401/msg01122.html
> one which is not yet in the mailing list archives, but which is quoted at
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/debian-vote-200401/msg01184.html
> and
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/debian-vote-200401/msg01188.html
>
> I'd like to call for seconds on this proposal, [especially from Sven
> and Hamish, if this new one meets your requirements].
>
> Changes from the previous version (msg01188.html):
> [1] replace "programs" with the more general term "software" (part 5),
> [2] change the free alternatives language to better reflect what
> we do (part 5),
> [3] Incorporate wholesale updates to parts 2, 3 and 4 as suggested
> by Andrew Suffield at
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2004/debian-vote-200401/msg01192.html
> [4] Make explicit the constitutional removal of the DFSG from the
> social contract,
> [5] Remove a bit of language from the meta-title which I added in
> the previous version (msg01188.html).
>
> - --
>
> I propose the following resolution:
>
> We will replace our social contract with two documents, as specified
> by the recent constitutional amendment. The first replacement document
> will be the social contract below, and the second replacement document
> will be the Debian Free Software Guidelines extracted from the remainder
> of the original social contract.
>
> Here's the replacement for the social contract:
>
>
> Debian's Social Contract
>
> The Debian Project is an association of individuals who have made common
> cause to create a free operating system. This is the "social contract"
> we offer to the free software community.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "Social Contract" with the Free Software Community
>
> 1. Debian will remain 100% free software`
>
> Debian exists to distribute a general purpose system composed of
> entirely free software. As there are many definitions of free
> software, we use the "Debian Free Software Guidelines" to determine
> if software is free. We will also support our users who develop
> and run other software on Debian -- free or non-free -- but we will
> never make the system depend on an item of non-free software.
>
> 2. We will give back to the free software community
>
> When we write new components of the Debian system, we will license
> them in a manner consistent with the Debian Free Software Guidelines.
> We will make the best system we can, so that free works will be
> widely distributed and used. We will communicate things such
> as bug fixes, improvements and user requests to the "upstream"
> authors of works included in our system.
>
> 3. We will not hide problems
>
> We will keep our entire bug report database open for public view
> at all times. Reports that people file online will promptly become
> visible to others.
>
> 4. Our priorities are our users and free software
>
> We will be guided by the needs of our users and the free software
> community. We will place their interests first in our priorities. We
> will support the needs of our users for operation in many different
> kinds of computing environments. We will not object to non-free
> works that are intended to be used on Debian systems, or attempt to
> charge a fee to people who create or use such works. We will allow
> others to create distributions containing both the Debian system and
> other works, without any fee from us. In furtherance of these goals,
> we will provide an integrated system of high-quality materials with
> no legal restrictions that would prevent such uses of the system.
>
> 5. Programs that don't meet our free-software standards
>
> We acknowledge that some of our users require the use of software
> that don't conform to the Debian Free Software Guidelines. We
> support interoperability standards such as "Linux System Base", and
> will accept bug reports where our system violates those standards.

[I think it's "Standard Base".]

> <snip here>
> To make our system more attractive to people with mild
> dependencies on non-free software, we have created "contrib" and
> "non-free" areas in our internet archive. The software in these
> directories is not needed by most people, and we do not
> guarantee all software in the non-free area may be distributed in other
> ways. Thus, although we're working to reduce people's dependence
> on non-free software, we support users who are still dependent.
> Additionally, w
> <to here>

[All above snip IMHO]

> [W]e will work to find, package and support free alternatives to
> non-free software so people who use only free software can work
> with users of non-free software.
>
> - --
> Raul

I'd be happier with the snips indicated above, reducing clause 5
to three sentences. I'm not sure that the bits about reducing
dependence on non-free are germane.

Andy


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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 3:00 pm
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On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 07:43:55PM +0000, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > We acknowledge that some of our users require the use of software
> > that don't conform to the Debian Free Software Guidelines. We
> > support interoperability standards such as "Linux System Base", and
> > will accept bug reports where our system violates those standards.
>
> [I think it's "Standard Base".]

You are correct. My mistake.

> > <snip here>
> > To make our system more attractive to people with mild
> > dependencies on non-free software, we have created "contrib" and
> > "non-free" areas in our internet archive. The software in these
> > directories is not needed by most people, and we do not
> > guarantee all software in the non-free area may be distributed in other
> > ways. Thus, although we're working to reduce people's dependence
> > on non-free software, we support users who are still dependent.
> > Additionally, w
> > <to here>
>
> [All above snip IMHO]
>
> > [W]e will work to find, package and support free alternatives to
> > non-free software so people who use only free software can work
> > with users of non-free software.
> >
> > - --
> > Raul
>
> I'd be happier with the snips indicated above, reducing clause 5
> to three sentences. I'm not sure that the bits about reducing
> dependence on non-free are germane.

Hmm... you may be right -- that might be better as rationale than as
part of the contract.

Unless I see reason to think otherwise, I'll fix this tonight.

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 4:10 pm
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|
|I propose the following resolution:
|
|We will replace our social contract with two documents, as specified
|by the recent constitutional amendment. The first replacement document
|will be the social contract below, and the second replacement document
|will be the Debian Free Software Guidelines extracted from the remainder
|of the original social contract.
|
|Here's the replacement for the social contract:
|
|
|Debian's Social Contract
|
|The Debian Project is an association of individuals who have made common
|cause to create a free operating system. This is the "social contract"
|we offer to the free software community.
|
| ------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
|"Social Contract" with the Free Software Community
|
| 1. Debian will remain 100% free software`
|
| Debian exists to distribute a general purpose system composed of
| entirely free software. As there are many definitions of free
| software, we use the "Debian Free Software Guidelines" to determine
| if software is free. We will also support our users who develop
| and run other software on Debian -- free or non-free -- but we will
| never make the system depend on an item of non-free software.
|
| 2. We will give back to the free software community
|
| When we write new components of the Debian system, we will license
| them in a manner consistent with the Debian Free Software Guidelines.
| We will make the best system we can, so that free works will be
| widely distributed and used. We will communicate things such
| as bug fixes, improvements and user requests to the "upstream"
| authors of works included in our system.
|
| 3. We will not hide problems
|
| We will keep our entire bug report database open for public view
| at all times. Reports that people file online will promptly become
| visible to others.
|
| 4. Our priorities are our users and free software
|
| We will be guided by the needs of our users and the free software
| community. We will place their interests first in our priorities. We
| will support the needs of our users for operation in many different
| kinds of computing environments. We will not object to non-free
| works that are intended to be used on Debian systems, or attempt to
| charge a fee to people who create or use such works. We will allow
| others to create distributions containing both the Debian system and
| other works, without any fee from us. In furtherance of these goals,
| we will provide an integrated system of high-quality materials with
| no legal restrictions that would prevent such uses of the system.
|
| 5. Programs that don't meet our free-software standards
|
| We acknowledge that some of our users require the use of software
| that don't conform to the Debian Free Software Guidelines. We
| support interoperability standards such as "Linux System Base", and
| will accept bug reports where our system violates those standards.
| To make our system more attractive to people with mild dependencies
| on non-free software, we have created "contrib" and "non-free" areas
| in our internet archive. The software in these directories is not
| needed by most people, and we do not guarantee all software in the
| non-free area may be distributed in other ways. Thus, although
| we're working to reduce people's dependence on non-free software,
| we support users who are still dependent. Additionally, we will
| work to find, package and support free alternatives to non-free
| software so people who use only free software can work with users
| of non-free software.

I second this proposal.

Friendly,

Sven Luther
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 4:10 pm
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On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 06:30:48PM +0000, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> > > I submit that this was written without any consideration of the
> > > discussion following Branden's efforts earlier this year.

On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 01:39:30PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote:
> > That's a non-issue, as near as I can tell.
> >
> > If there's some problem you're trying to solve, please specify it,
> > perhaps by providing the unambiguous references to some place that
> > clearly describes these issues.

On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 08:57:14PM +0000, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> I can't be bothered to fix your problems for you, or to describe how
> you can do it. I figured a hint as to how you could educate yourself
> was fair, though.

I'm not asking you to fix my problems.

I am asking you to identify what problems you're talking about.

For some reason, you have consistently been either unable or unwilling
to do.

As near as I can tell, you've totally misunderstood commentary by Anthony
Towns, have implemented broken support for that misunderstanding, and
are unhappy that I haven't followed your example.

But that's not my problem.

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 4:30 pm
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On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 09:35:51PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> I second this proposal.

Thanks.

But, um... since I got the name of LSB wrong, I'm going to have to
re-issue the proposal again.

I think, when I re-issue it tonight, I'll ask for a delay on seconding,
just in case there's anything else that needs fixed.

[In principle, perhaps, I shouldn't be calling for seconds yet at all.
However, Andrew has made "let's stop talking about it and just vote"
his main point of interest, so I'm not allowing much talking time.]

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2004 10:10 pm
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On Mon, Jan 12, 2004 at 08:33:21AM -0500, Raul Miller wrote:
> I'd like to call for seconds on this proposal, [especially from Sven
> and Hamish, if this new one meets your requirements].

I certainly support this in principal and will await your final version
before signing a second. Also I must point out two errors:

> 5. Programs that don't meet our free-software standards

Should this say "Software that doesn't" instead?

> We acknowledge that some of our users require the use of software
> that don't conform to the Debian Free Software Guidelines. We

s/don't/doesn't/


Thanks Raul. I think this is an excellent proposal.

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2004 9:10 am
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On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 08:25:52AM -0500, Dale E Martin wrote:
> Perhaps I missed this in all of the GFDL discussions of the past, but does
> documentation == software? If we're cleaning up the social contract, I
> wonder if we need to go one step further. "Software and data that does
> not", or something else. If it's been agreed that everything that Debian
> distributes is software (I can live with that), please disregard.

It's my understanding that "Software" includes anything that can be
represented using bit patterns [on disk, in memory, on the network, ...]

However, if that's not clear to people, the proper place to address that
question would be in the DFSG. [S standes for "Software".] Because of
the recent constitutional amendment, splitting the DFSG from the Social
Contract, I'd just as soon leave the DFSG alone when working on the
Social Contract.

[Maybe that's wrong of me -- the primary focus of that consitutional
amendment was fixing the voting system. And, the older voting system,
which we used for the decision, was recongized as not being very stable
when presented with a large number of options. But I've not seen any
significant outcry about the DFSG/Social Contract split, either.]

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2004 2:20 am
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On Jan 13, 2004, at 08:25, Dale E Martin wrote:

>>> 5. Programs that don't meet our free-software standards
>>
>> Should this say "Software that doesn't" instead?
>
> Perhaps I missed this in all of the GFDL discussions of the past, but
> does
> documentation == software?

No, not all software is documentation. However, for Debian purposes,
everything that is on the CD (ftp site, whatever) is software.


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