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Since: Nov 03, 2008
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:23 pm
Post subject: Periodic input freezes
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Hi,
I'm using the current latest Opera for Linux(9.62) on the current
latest Ubuntu(Intrepid & Hardy) and I'm facing a very annoying bug,
while running Opera I get periodic input(both mouse and keyboard)
freezes which are not equally spaced and the length of each is usually
10-20 seconds, note that these freezes include all GUI apps not only
Opera.
During these freezes, the mouse moves but no response happens(toolbar
buttons are not highlighted, etc) and clicks are completely ignored,
keyboard events are completely ignored, It happens regardless of
whether Opera is the active or inactive window but the probability of
happening increases when it's the active window.
I don't use SCIM or other input methods.
I've tried running Opera using the following command-line but it's the
same:
opera -nolirc -nomail -disableinputmethods -debugkeyboard -debugxerror
I checked X logs but I don't see anything wrong.
Any ideas?
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:25 pm
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On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:23:40 -0500, Diaa <diaasami DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm using the current latest Opera for Linux(9.62) on the current
> latest Ubuntu(Intrepid & Hardy) and I'm facing a very annoying bug,
> while running Opera I get periodic input(both mouse and keyboard)
> freezes which are not equally spaced and the length of each is usually
> 10-20 seconds, note that these freezes include all GUI apps not only
Are you using a nvidia driver? If so, take a look at
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.../+bug/9
where this problem is fixed by adding
Option "DynamicTwinView" "false"
to the device section of xorg.conf.
Regards, Dave Hodgins
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:25 pm
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On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:09:43 -0500, David W. Hodgins
<dwhodgins.RemoveThis@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> Are you using a nvidia driver? If so, take a look at
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.../+bug/9
> where this problem is fixed by adding
> Option "DynamicTwinView" "false"
> to the device section of xorg.conf.
I get the same freezes and I have an IBM 915 video chip in my laptop. Is
that the same chip that NVidia uses?
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:25 pm
Post subject: Re: Periodic input freezes [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:59:24 -0500, Frank Bell <frankwbell DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> I get the same freezes and I have an IBM 915 video chip in my laptop. Is
> that the same chip that NVidia uses?
No. The IBM 915 chipset should be using the intel module. What kernel version
are you running? There was a problem with that module, with a patch
available at http://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=15005&action=edit
which should already be included in any kernels newer then 2.6.24.3.
The command "uname -a" will show the kernel version.
Regards, Dave Hodgins
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:25 am
Post subject: Re: Periodic input freezes [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 2008-11-04, David W. Hodgins (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:59:24 -0500, Frank Bell <frankwbell DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:
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>> I get the same freezes and I have an IBM 915 video chip in my laptop. Is
>> that the same chip that NVidia uses?
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> No. The IBM 915 chipset should be using the intel module. What kernel version
> are you running? There was a problem with that module, with a patch
> available at http://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=15005&action=edit
> which should already be included in any kernels newer then 2.6.24.3.
>
> The command "uname -a" will show the kernel version.
I am still confused as to why you think that half-minute pauses at a
time of the (entire) X session due to flash-or-what-have-we content on
a webpage in a tab, until that tab is closed, is due to vblank
interrupts and race conditions.
Do note that the OP is talking about long (20 second) pauses in the
entire X session (all but mouse movement, which is handled by the
hardware cursor anyway) and not short sub second pauses in typing
(which also afflicted opera users during the 9.2x era).
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:25 am
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On 2008-11-04, David W. Hodgins (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:59:24 -0500, Frank Bell <frankwbell.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:
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>> I get the same freezes and I have an IBM 915 video chip in my laptop. Is
>> that the same chip that NVidia uses?
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> No. The IBM 915 chipset should be using the intel module. What kernel version
> are you running? There was a problem with that module, with a patch
> available at http://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=15005&action=edit
> which should already be included in any kernels newer then 2.6.24.3.
P.S. I forgot to mention this, but you can see it on the
http://linux.conf.au front page. No flash, no javashite, just
presumably css and html.
One of the reasons I am still on Opera 9.25; Build 687 for Linux; Qt
library 3.3.7, is that it merely "locks up" opera and not the entire X
session.
(by "locks up", I mean "pauses for 20-30 seconds"). Unless it decides
to finally get around to opening a menu item, thus capturing the
keyboard and mouse focus, and thus locking up the X session.
In both 9.25 and 9.62, control is relinquished every 30 or so seconds,
so if you press ctrl-W to close the offending tab, control is given
back to you another 30 seconds later.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:25 am
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David W. Hodgins <dwhodgins.RemoveThis@nomail.afraid.org> schrieb:
> Are you using a nvidia driver? If so, take a look at
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.../+bug/9
> where this problem is fixed by adding Option "DynamicTwinView" "false"
> to the device section of xorg.conf.
[...]
> What kernel version are you running? There was a problem with that
> module, with a patch available at
> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=15005&action=edit which
> should already be included in any kernels newer then 2.6.24.3.
I do not know why do you think that the freeze is caused from a refresh
rate "bug" or a race condition. Those bugs would be complete other
behaviour.
The problem is that opera and just opera and only opera since 9.5x (also
the beta versions) shows this random freeze when going to a new page. It
freeze that strong that also no screen redraw is done.
It seems that opera did change the network code and seems to do some
network operations locking all other in the code. Unfortunately opera is
closed source so that could only be a guess and I am not able to look to
the code.
Regards
Klaus Ethgen
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:25 pm
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On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:22:50 -0500, TimC <tconnors.DeleteThis@no.spam.accepted.here-astro.swin.edu.au> wrote:
> Do note that the OP is talking about long (20 second) pauses in the
> entire X session (all but mouse movement, which is handled by the
Lockups of the entire X session are usually caused by problems in the
video driver. While it may be opera's usage of the x system that triggers
the bugs, in some video drivers, it's usually fixed by updating the
video driver.
I'm not getting any lockups, including at http://linux.conf.au/,
using an ati radeo 9200se with the ati driver.
Regards, Dave Hodgins
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:44 pm
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On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:51:15 +0100, Klaus Ethgen <klaus RemoveThis @ethgen.de> wrote:
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> It seems that opera did change the network code and seems to do some
> network operations locking all other in the code. Unfortunately opera is
> closed source so that could only be a guess and I am not able to look to
> the code.
You can still run it under strace(1) control, to see what it does.
That would probably work better than wading through source code, even
if you had access to it.
/Jorgen
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:25 am
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On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:23:40 -0600, Diaa <diaasami.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm using the current latest Opera for Linux(9.62) on the current
> latest Ubuntu(Intrepid & Hardy) and I'm facing a very annoying bug,
> while running Opera I get periodic input(both mouse and keyboard)
> freezes which are not equally spaced and the length of each is usually
> 10-20 seconds, note that these freezes include all GUI apps not only
> Opera.
> During these freezes, the mouse moves but no response happens(toolbar
> buttons are not highlighted, etc) and clicks are completely ignored,
> keyboard events are completely ignored, It happens regardless of
> whether Opera is the active or inactive window but the probability of
> happening increases when it's the active window.
> I don't use SCIM or other input methods.
> I've tried running Opera using the following command-line but it's the
> same:
> opera -nolirc -nomail -disableinputmethods -debugkeyboard -debugxerror
> I checked X logs but I don't see anything wrong.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks
I am seeing these freezes also. What I have noticed is that during the
freeze the disk is spinning a lot. When the disk activity stops Opera
un-freezes. I wonder if the freezes can be realized to the disk working on
a large mail/news/rss base and locks up the application in the process? It
would be interesting to know if the ones that experience these freezes
also use the mail/news/rss client in Opera and has a lot of messages
stored, and even if they notice the disk activity during the freezes.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:16 pm
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First, I'd like to thank you for your help 
On Nov 4, 12:09 am, "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodg....DeleteThis@nomail.afraid.org>
wrote:
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> Are you using a nvidia driver? If so, take a look athttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2....
> where this problem is fixed by adding
> Option "DynamicTwinView" "false"
> to the device section of xorg.conf.
Yes, I'm using the proprietary Nvidia driver, namely the recently
released 177.80, although the bug is filed against an older version,
I've tried the fix but nothing changed, the bug is still there.
> No. The IBM 915 chipset should be using the intel module. What kernel version
> are you running? There was a problem with that module, with a patch
> available athttp://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=15005&action=edit
> which should already be included in any kernels newer then 2.6.24.3.
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> The command "uname -a" will show the kernel version.
>
I'm using a kernel newer than 2.6.24.3 so I don't think this applies
to me, the output of 'uname -a' is
Linux ERROR-PC 2.6.27-7-generic #1 SMP Tue Nov 4 19:33:20 UTC 2008
i686 GNU/Linux
Thanks again.
Regards
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:25 pm
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On 2008-11-05, ceed (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> I am seeing these freezes also. What I have noticed is that during the
> freeze the disk is spinning a lot. When the disk activity stops Opera
> un-freezes. I wonder if the freezes can be realized to the disk working on
> a large mail/news/rss base and locks up the application in the process? It
> would be interesting to know if the ones that experience these freezes
> also use the mail/news/rss client in Opera and has a lot of messages
> stored, and even if they notice the disk activity during the freezes.
Nope. Are you low on memory (where low is less than about 512m of RAM
these days, unfortunately, as opera sometimes likes to grow to a few
hundred meg)?
(I also don't use opera for mail/rss/news)
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:25 pm
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On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:06:50 -0600, TimC
<tconnors RemoveThis @no.spam.accepted.here-astro.swin.edu.au> wrote:
> Nope. Are you low on memory (where low is less than about 512m of RAM
> these days, unfortunately, as opera sometimes likes to grow to a few
> hundred meg)?
> (I also don't use opera for mail/rss/news)
I have 2 GB memory, so that's not the problem. This freeze/grind happens a
couple of times an hour and I rarely have more than 50% ram use at any
given time. I just wait it out since it only takes about 10 seconds or so.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:25 pm
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On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:16:17 -0500, David W. Hodgins
<dwhodgins.DeleteThis@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> What kernel version
> are you running?
2.6.24.5
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:25 pm
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On Sat, 08 Nov 2008 20:44:56 -0500, Frank Bell <frankwbell.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:16:17 -0500, David W. Hodgins
> <dwhodgins.DeleteThis@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
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>> What kernel version
>> are you running?
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> 2.6.24.5
There have been quite a few people having problems recently
with x11 freezing up. For example,
http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2009.0_Errata#Periodic_freeze_of_the_graph...l_syste
I'm currently running 2.6.27.4.
Might be worth trying a newer kernel.
Regards, Dave Hodgins
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