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Ernst

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 6:39 am
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Hello All,

I've installed RH 8.0 on an Intel box. I've tried to install RPMs
(Flash player upgrade, and Xine).
I double-clicked on the RPM, got installation dialog, and indications
that the Xine package
installed without a hitch. Problem is....I can't find the executable
to run the application.

What did I miss?

Regards,

Ernst
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Nico Kadel-Garcia

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:25 am
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Ernst wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I've installed RH 8.0 on an Intel box. I've tried to install RPMs
> (Flash player upgrade, and Xine).
> I double-clicked on the RPM, got installation dialog, and indications
> that the Xine package
> installed without a hitch. Problem is....I can't find the executable
> to run the application.
>
> What did I miss?
>
> Regards,
>
> Ernst

RedHat 8.0? Oh, my. That's about 5 years out of date. You really need to
update to far more contemporary OS for many reasons, especially security and
bug fixes.

That said, the command 'rpm -qa | grep xine' will give you the name of your
xine package, and 'rpm -qil [package-name]' will tell you all the files in it.
That should also list the binary, which is probably in /usr/bin/.
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Moe Trin

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:36 am
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On Sun, 7 Dec 2008, in the Usenet newsgroup linux.redhat, in article
<259212f2-5f08-4c55-8810-b51cced7e4d1.TakeThisOut@k41g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, Ernst
wrote:

NOTE: Posting from groups.google.com (or some web-forums) dramatically
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>I've installed RH 8.0 on an Intel box.

Where did you dig that up? Some old book in a library? RH 8.0 was
released 30 September 2002, and was replaced on 7 April 2003 by RH 9
and that was the last of that series - the replacement was Fedora Core
1 released 5 November 2003. The current Fedora version is 10, released
a couple of weeks ago. All support for RH 8.0 officially ended at the
end of 2003, although there was limited back-ports until May 2004.
The basic story is "It's dead, Jim, and has been for years. Find
something more modern.

>I've tried to install RPMs (Flash player upgrade, and Xine).
>I double-clicked on the RPM, got installation dialog, and indications
>that the Xine package installed without a hitch. Problem is....I can't
>find the executable to run the application.

rpm is a command line package manager, so it sounds as if you are using
some unknown GUI helper. First, randomly clicking on icons ESPECIALLY
AS ROOT is a _really_ bad thing - that is how your system will get 0wn3d
because you don't know what it is doing. Secondly, what was the name of
the file - the rpm - that you clicked on? Third, where did you get
them, as I don't see anything obvious in the list of 1473 packages that
came with RH 8.0? That makes them even more suspicious.

rpms come in two styles. There is a _binary_ or executable, that might
be named something like

mysql-3.23.52-3.i386.rpm

There is also a package used IN ADDITION when you are building or
compiling stuff that needs mysql - it would be named

mysql-devel-3.23.52-3.i386.rpm

Now in both cases, you'll notice it has a processor type (i386 for
the 80386 through various x86-64 processors - it's the package
designed for everything). You may also find 'noarch.rpm' which is
generally a text package not dependent on the processor, i586 and i686
which refer to later Pentiums, various AMD types and so on.

There is another type of package that would be

mysql-3.23.52-3.srpm or mysql-3.23.52-3.src.rpm

and these are the _source_ packages, which install the source code
(usually C or C+ language) into /usr/src/redhat/*/* and these are not
likely to be useful to you. These do not contain an executable, but
allow you to _build_ the executable.

>What did I miss?

A modern distribution. Start again, but this time install something
that is less than 6 months old. To find out what that might be (there
are literally hundreds of Linux distributions), go to
http://www.distrowatch.com/ and find something there. Examples of
suitable CDs might be 'Ubuntu 8.10', 'openSUSE 11.0', 'Fedora 10',
'Mandriva 2009', 'Debian 4.0r5' or similar.

Distributions that come in a book (as you would find in a library) tend
to be old - it takes several months to create the book and get that
into the stores, yet most Linux distributions are on a twice-a-year
release cycle. If there is a book, LOOK AT THE COPYRIGHT DATE.
Something that is 12 months old is nearly obsolete, and two years old
is virtually dead and should be buried.

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:29 am
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On Dec 7, 11:36 am, ibupro....RemoveThis@painkiller.example.tld (Moe Trin) wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Dec 2008, in the Usenet newsgroup linux.redhat, in article
> <259212f2-5f08-4c55-8810-b51cced7e....RemoveThis@k41g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, Ernst
> wrote:

> Where did you dig that up? Some old book in a library?  

No. I bought it at the NEX while stationed in.....Lemoore. Hmmm,
that has been a while.

> A modern distribution.  Start again, but this time install something
> that is less than 6 months old.  To find out what that might be (there
> are literally hundreds of Linux distributions), go tohttp://www.distrowatch.com/ and find something there. Examples of
> suitable CDs might be 'Ubuntu 8.10', 'openSUSE 11.0', 'Fedora 10',
> 'Mandriva 2009', 'Debian 4.0r5' or similar.

Ok! I tried zunbutu, did not load well. Fedora 9 installed without
(almost) a hitch. Had to change the hard drive out, F9 had a problem
with removing the previous OS and formatting. Different drive cured
the problem.

I'm going to attempt adding Open Office next.

Thanks for the pointers!

A6
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:34 am
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On Dec 9, 6:29 am, Ernst <a6m....DeleteThis@rocketmail.com> wrote:

> Ok!  I tried zunbutu....

Kubuntu, yet.
>
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:58 pm
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On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, in the Usenet newsgroup linux.redhat, in article
<5b5a52ee-683a-43ce-9098-f534022faf8a RemoveThis @s36g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>, Ernst
wrote:

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>ibupro...@painkiller.example.tld (Moe Trin) wrote:

>> Where did you dig that up? Some old book in a library? <A0>
>
>No. I bought it at the NEX while stationed in.....Lemoore. Hmmm,
>that has been a while.

Good to see that they were stocking something like that.

>Ok! I tried zunbutu, did not load well.

?? Ok, your follow-up mentions Kubuntu - which is Ubuntu with KDE rather
than GNOME. Both should be an acceptable distribution for a newbie,
though they have some quirks such as not allowing root use by default
(you use 'su' or 'sudo' to do administrative tasks as needed).

>Fedora 9 installed without (almost) a hitch. Had to change the hard
>drive out, F9 had a problem with removing the previous OS and
>formatting. Different drive cured the problem.

Can't say that I've ever had a problem doing so. The install program
should give you the choice of re-partitioning IF NEEDED, and using the
appropriate mkfs (make filesystem - either mke2fs or mke3fs is common)
to make a clean partition ready to install.

>I'm going to attempt adding Open Office next.

[compton ~]$ zgrep -c openoffice rpms.fc9-errata.12.07.08.gz
80
[compton ~]$ zgrep openoffice rpms.fc9-err* | grep -v langpack | cut -c33-
1612136 Oct 30 17:43 openoffice.org-base-2.4.2-18.1.fc9.i386.rpm
7326088 Oct 30 17:43 openoffice.org-calc-2.4.2-18.1.fc9.i386.rpm
78340331 Oct 30 17:46 openoffice.org-core-2.4.2-18.1.fc9.i386.rpm
1184950 Oct 30 18:01 openoffice.org-devel-2.4.2-18.1.fc9.i386.rpm
1192221 Oct 30 18:01 openoffice.org-draw-2.4.2-18.1.fc9.i386.rpm
98700 Oct 30 18:01 openoffice.org-emailmerge-2.4.2-18.1.fc9.i386.rpm
220472 Oct 30 18:01 openoffice.org-graphicfilter-2.4.2-18.1.fc9.i386.rpm
413055 Oct 30 18:01 openoffice.org-headless-2.4.2-18.1.fc9.i386.rpm
1746480 Oct 30 18:01 openoffice.org-impress-2.4.2-18.1.fc9.i386.rpm
184694 Oct 30 18:01 openoffice.org-javafilter-2.4.2-18.1.fc9.i386.rpm
1434761 Oct 30 18:20 openoffice.org-math-2.4.2-18.1.fc9.i386.rpm
214384 Oct 30 18:20 openoffice.org-pyuno-2.4.2-18.1.fc9.i386.rpm
4191110 Oct 30 18:20 openoffice.org-sdk-2.4.2-18.1.fc9.i386.rpm
6073992 Oct 30 18:20 openoffice.org-sdk-doc-2.4.2-18.1.fc9.i386.rpm
447023 Oct 30 18:20 openoffice.org-testtools-2.4.2-18.1.fc9.i386.rpm
45699 Dec 1 22:25 openoffice.org-voikko-2.2-5.fc9.i386.rpm
2953889 Oct 30 18:21 openoffice.org-writer-2.4.2-18.1.fc9.i386.rpm
148112 Oct 30 18:21 openoffice.org-xsltfilter-2.4.2-18.1.fc9.i386.rpm
[compton ~]$

80 packages - most of which are language packs. These are part of the
FC9 distribution, but were updated the end of October.

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:55 pm
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On Dec 9 2008, 1:58 pm, ibupro....RemoveThis@painkiller.example.tld (Moe Trin)
wrote:
> 80 packages - most of which are language packs. These are part of the
> FC9 distribution, but were updated the end of October.
>
>         Old guy

Ok, I've goofed around with FC9 for a couple of weeks now. I managed
to get Open Office 3 installed (it had a "setup" option in the
distro. Have had mixed results with plugins into Fire Fox. Adobe
Flash does not want to play. Real Player 11 works, but I have to hunt
the executable down and point it at the file to be run.

No luck with a wireless 802.11g card, so I'm hard wired for now.
Tried to set the printer up: machine-router-printer, but it would not
find the printer. Got the PPD from Xerox.

So what is the trick to finding the printer, and what is the best
method to install applications? YUM? PUP?

Anyway, hope this note finds you all well.

Regards,

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 2:17 pm
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On Sat, 17 Jan 2009, in the Usenet newsgroup linux.redhat, in article
<1f6a21ab-f079-49be-9978-ae2f5849f3c6.DeleteThis@l37g2000vba.googlegroups.com>, Ernst
wrote:

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>On Dec 9 2008, (Moe Trin) wrote:

Belated Happy Holiday greetings!

>Ok, I've goofed around with FC9 for a couple of weeks now. I managed
>to get Open Office 3 installed (it had a "setup" option in the
>distro.

Good to hear that.

>Have had mixed results with plugins into Fire Fox. Adobe Flash does
>not want to play.

Can't help there, I'm not the expert and don't even use those apps.

>Real Player 11 works, but I have to hunt the executable down and point
>it at the file to be run.

You mean as opposed to having an icon to click? That would be a
desktop setup issue, I don't use Gnome, but there should be a pulldown
menu item that allows "adding" applications to the desktop. Or do you
mean that (from a command line) you can't run the application without
providing the full path name to the application? Normally, that would
be a /etc/profile (or .bash_profile in your home directory) issue (add
the appropriate directory to your PATH and export that):

PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin
export PATH

but Gnome does that differently too.

>No luck with a wireless 802.11g card, so I'm hard wired for now.

Which 802.11g card?

>Tried to set the printer up: machine-router-printer, but it would not
>find the printer. Got the PPD from Xerox.

Is the printer using a static address, or are we letting the router
assign a random address. Over-the-network printers are most easily
set up using static (fixed) IP addresses, so to don't have to guess
where it might be hiding. This is usually a configuration item on the
printer AND on the router. An alternative is to configure the router
such that it always gives out the same address to the printer. On your
PC, you have to tell the printer setup program what address the printer
is using.

>So what is the trick to finding the printer,

Not hiding it in the first place? Wink

>and what is the best method to install applications? YUM? PUP?

I'm old fashioned, and use rpm directly, but 'YUM' seems to have a lot
going for it.

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