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jr4939

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Since: Oct 21, 2009
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:07 am
Post subject: Lost Dual Boot Screen
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I'm having a Lost-Dual-Boot-Screen problem again. Last time I resolved
it by re-installing Ubuntu 9.04 on my Dell Dimension 8300 (Windows XP
SP 3) using a recent wubi download. Had gotten several responses to my
previous help call which hadn't helped. Later realized that they all
seemed to involve using the grub menu to restore the dual boot menu.
However, I never get near the grub menu when the dual boot screen is
missing. That is, after the first pre-bootstrap screen, the machine
goes right into Windows startup screens. Pressing F8 gives me the
usual choices, and the chance to choose (only) Windows to boot into.

Everything had worked fine after the wubi re-install, through several
reboots, and I even learned a few new things about Ubuntu and Linux.
However, for totally unrelated reasons, I had occasion to use a dandy
program called BootSafe which *may* have caused the problem. That is,
it fools around with system innards enuf to get you into Safe Mode
without requiring use of F8, and, once in Safe Mode, one uses the
program to return to a "normal" bootup. In any case, the next time I
rebooted, the dual boot screen had gone missing again.

TIA from a clueless newbie for any clues, or solution other than
another install!
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Robert Heller

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:56 pm
Post subject: Re: Lost Dual Boot Screen [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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At Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:07:40 -0700 (PDT) jr4939 <jr4939j DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I'm having a Lost-Dual-Boot-Screen problem again. Last time I resolved
> it by re-installing Ubuntu 9.04 on my Dell Dimension 8300 (Windows XP
> SP 3) using a recent wubi download. Had gotten several responses to my
> previous help call which hadn't helped. Later realized that they all
> seemed to involve using the grub menu to restore the dual boot menu.
> However, I never get near the grub menu when the dual boot screen is
> missing. That is, after the first pre-bootstrap screen, the machine
> goes right into Windows startup screens. Pressing F8 gives me the
> usual choices, and the chance to choose (only) Windows to boot into.
>
> Everything had worked fine after the wubi re-install, through several
> reboots, and I even learned a few new things about Ubuntu and Linux.
> However, for totally unrelated reasons, I had occasion to use a dandy
> program called BootSafe which *may* have caused the problem. That is,
> it fools around with system innards enuf to get you into Safe Mode
> without requiring use of F8, and, once in Safe Mode, one uses the
> program to return to a "normal" bootup. In any case, the next time I
> rebooted, the dual boot screen had gone missing again.
>
> TIA from a clueless newbie for any clues, or solution other than
> another install!

All you need is a rescue disk. Your Ubuntu install disk *should* have
a 'rescue' mode. Boot up in rescue mode. I don't know about how
Ubuntu does this. For a RedHat flavored system, it will look for your
Linux installations and will mount the one you select and give you a
shell. You'd cdroot to that directory and then type 'grub-install
/dev/hda' (or maybe 'grub-install /dev/sda'), than ^D twice and then
remove the install disk, once the system goes down. You'll then have
the grub bootloader back. I *suspect* that the Ubuntu install disk in
rescue mode works simularly.

Obviously, the 'dandy program called BootSafe' clobered the MBR to a
vanila state. You probably DON'T want to do that again.

>
>
>
>

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Bill Waddington

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:56 pm
Post subject: Re: Lost Dual Boot Screen [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:56:19 -0500, Robert Heller
<heller DeleteThis @deepsoft.com> wrote:

>At Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:07:40 -0700 (PDT) jr4939 <jr4939j DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm having a Lost-Dual-Boot-Screen problem again. Last time I resolved
>> it by re-installing Ubuntu 9.04 on my Dell Dimension 8300 (Windows XP
>> SP 3) using a recent wubi download. Had gotten several responses to my
>> previous help call which hadn't helped. Later realized that they all
>> seemed to involve using the grub menu to restore the dual boot menu.
>> However, I never get near the grub menu when the dual boot screen is
>> missing. That is, after the first pre-bootstrap screen, the machine
>> goes right into Windows startup screens. Pressing F8 gives me the
>> usual choices, and the chance to choose (only) Windows to boot into.
>>
>> Everything had worked fine after the wubi re-install, through several
>> reboots, and I even learned a few new things about Ubuntu and Linux.
>> However, for totally unrelated reasons, I had occasion to use a dandy
>> program called BootSafe which *may* have caused the problem. That is,
>> it fools around with system innards enuf to get you into Safe Mode
>> without requiring use of F8, and, once in Safe Mode, one uses the
>> program to return to a "normal" bootup. In any case, the next time I
>> rebooted, the dual boot screen had gone missing again.
>>
>> TIA from a clueless newbie for any clues, or solution other than
>> another install!
>
>All you need is a rescue disk. Your Ubuntu install disk *should* have
>a 'rescue' mode. Boot up in rescue mode. I don't know about how
>Ubuntu does this. For a RedHat flavored system, it will look for your
>Linux installations and will mount the one you select and give you a
>shell. You'd cdroot to that directory and then type 'grub-install
>/dev/hda' (or maybe 'grub-install /dev/sda'), than ^D twice and then
>remove the install disk, once the system goes down. You'll then have
>the grub bootloader back. I *suspect* that the Ubuntu install disk in
>rescue mode works simularly.
>
>Obviously, the 'dandy program called BootSafe' clobered the MBR to a
>vanila state. You probably DON'T want to do that again.

Robert & OP,

I'd never heard of wubi before. It looks like it either installs
Ubuntu _inside_ windows as a kind of app, or installs as a separate
OS but uses the win bootloader:

http://wubi-installer.org/

http://wubi-installer.org/faq.php

Might explain with the grub suggestions don't help.

Personally I either do a "real" dual boot installation into a
separate partition and use grub, or put one or the other OS in
a virtual machine.

Maybe someone w/wubi experience will chime in...

Bill
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Wanna-Be Sys Admin

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Since: Sep 24, 2009
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:11 pm
Post subject: Re: Lost Dual Boot Screen [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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jr4939 wrote:

> I'm having a Lost-Dual-Boot-Screen problem again. Last time I resolved
> it by re-installing Ubuntu 9.04 on my Dell Dimension 8300 (Windows XP
> SP 3) using a recent wubi download. Had gotten several responses to my
> previous help call which hadn't helped. Later realized that they all
> seemed to involve using the grub menu to restore the dual boot menu.
> However, I never get near the grub menu when the dual boot screen is
> missing. That is, after the first pre-bootstrap screen, the machine
> goes right into Windows startup screens. Pressing F8 gives me the
> usual choices, and the chance to choose (only) Windows to boot into.
>
> Everything had worked fine after the wubi re-install, through several
> reboots, and I even learned a few new things about Ubuntu and Linux.
> However, for totally unrelated reasons, I had occasion to use a dandy
> program called BootSafe which *may* have caused the problem. That is,
> it fools around with system innards enuf to get you into Safe Mode
> without requiring use of F8, and, once in Safe Mode, one uses the
> program to return to a "normal" bootup. In any case, the next time I
> rebooted, the dual boot screen had gone missing again.
>
> TIA from a clueless newbie for any clues, or solution other than
> another install!

I don't know what "wubi" is, but I'd hesitate installing anything that
will mess with your MBR (if that's indeed what caused it). I've never
heard of BootSafe either. Anyway, just get a Linux boot disk and
install for grub, lilo, or whatever, from there.
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gargoyle60

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Since: Oct 22, 2009
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:20 am
Post subject: Re: Lost Dual Boot Screen [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:11:19 -0700, Wanna-Be Sys Admin
<sysadmin.DeleteThis@example.com> wrote:

>I'd hesitate installing anything that
>will mess with your MBR

As a Linux newbie I was wary, but have recently converted two PCs to
dual-boot:
PC1 dual-boot Windows 98 and Xubuntu 6.06 (old low spec machine)
PC2 dual-boot Windows XP and Ubuntu 9.04
Both use Grub for bootloading.

Using the Live-CDs was easy, apart from with a serial mouse on PC1.

Just be damned sure you back up EVERY bit of data or risk losing it!
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Wanna-Be Sys Admin

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:15 pm
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gargoyle60 wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:11:19 -0700, Wanna-Be Sys Admin
> <sysadmin.RemoveThis@example.com> wrote:
>
>>I'd hesitate installing anything that
>>will mess with your MBR
>
> As a Linux newbie I was wary, but have recently converted two PCs to
> dual-boot:
> PC1 dual-boot Windows 98 and Xubuntu 6.06 (old low spec machine)
> PC2 dual-boot Windows XP and Ubuntu 9.04
> Both use Grub for bootloading.
>
> Using the Live-CDs was easy, apart from with a serial mouse on PC1.
>
> Just be damned sure you back up EVERY bit of data or risk losing it!

Well, the MBR being wiped and re-added shouldn't cause any data lose,
nor should you lose anything from changing the partition table if you
can restore it where it was last assuming you've not formatted it since
(printing out, writing down or backing up that information somewhere
safe), but definitely always do backups if you care about any of your
data or time spent.
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