Latest Novell-Suse Linux news does not bode well for Linux.

On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 19:44:19 -0800, lqualig wrote:

>
> Harvey Fogel wrote:
>> Sadly this is just another nail in the coffin of Linux because what it
>> does is take away credibility from Linux.
>> People, and especially businesses considering moving off Windows toward
>> Linux are going to look at this as a sign that Linux's future is unstable
>> and more importantly uncertain.
>>
>> Personally I think we need some good news in the Linux community, but from
>> what I am seeing I am not holding my breath.
>> Linux as a desktop operating system looks like it is pretty much on life
>> support at this point because if a huge company like Novell can't make
>> money off of Linux, nobody can.
>> Harvey
>
>
> IMO opinion Linux will continue to cannibalize traditional Unix
> installations. Companies like Sun will eventually fade away as Linux
> replaces Solaris/AIX/HPUX/etc systems.

I agree but only as far as price is concerned.
If you compare say AIX to Linux it's like comparing a horse to a Corvette.
Take a look at IBM's top of the line RISC machines, which BTW run Linux as
well as AIX and then look at all of the limitations you must deal with if
you use Linux.

While mom and pop operations might be willing to gamble on Linux,
enterprise customers are going full steam with AIX, at least as a native
OS.
The flip side is many enterprise customers are running Linux in Lpars on
zSeries machines, so it really is a mixed bag.

However, desktop Linux is all but dead in the enterprise world.
For every Ernie Ball there are 100's of thousands using Windows.


> But the Senior Vice President of Intel was correct. Linux on the
> desktop isn't looking very viable. But who would know the facts and
> who should we believe. A Senior VP of Intel or morons like William "the
> idiot" Poaster and Linønut who still think that Novell is not going to
> lay off anyone from the SuSE division.

Linux is a non contender on the desktop.
It is a proven fact and Novell is just nailing the coffin closed.

Windows has won.
Mac has it's audience.
Linux desktop has 3rd world countries and even that is debatable.

The Linux zealots can squeal all they wish but their house of cards is
teetering more and more each day.

IOW the facts speak for themselves.

Harvey Fogel wrote:

> On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 19:44:19 -0800, lqualig wrote:
>
>>
>> Harvey Fogel wrote:
>>> Sadly this is just another nail in the coffin of Linux because what it
>>> does is take away credibility from Linux.

<snip>
>
> Linux is a non contender on the desktop.
> It is a proven fact and Novell is just nailing the coffin closed.
>
> Windows has won.
> Mac has it's audience.
> Linux desktop has 3rd world countries and even that is debatable.

<snip>

Well, this IS rapidly turning into a 3rd World country, so I expect
to be comfortable with Linux.

doubleHump

lqualig DeleteThis @uku.co.uk wrote:
> Harvey Fogel wrote:

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lqualig RemoveThis @uku.co.uk wrote:

> idiot" Poaster and Linønut who still think that Novell is not going to
> lay off anyone from the SuSE division.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/zd/20051104/tc_zd/164546;_ylt=AkOFbY1kgfC3Rqzy...oMw.or7

SuSE Users' Panic Unfounded
Steven Vaughan-Nichols - eWEEK Fri Nov 4,11:53 AM ET

Rumors circulating that Novell is going to kill off its popular
A Linux Today story, which asked the rhetorical question "Why has Novell
management decided to discontinue their entire SuSE Linux branded desktop
and workstation product line?" seems to have been the source of these
stories.

On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:36:59 -0500, Harvey Fogel wrote:

> Sadly this is just another nail in the coffin of Linux because what it
> does is take away credibility from Linux.

What takes credibility from Linux?


> People, and especially businesses considering moving off Windows toward
> Linux are going to look at this as a sign that Linux's future is
> unstable and more importantly uncertain.

What sign?

>
> Personally I think we need some good news in the Linux community, but
> from what I am seeing I am not holding my breath.

You're leaving would be good news.

> Linux as a desktop
> operating system looks like it is pretty much on life support at this
> point because if a huge company like Novell can't make money off of
> Linux, nobody can.

What makes you think Novell can't make money from Linux?

> Harvey
^^^^^^^^ - it is plain that either you don't know how configure a
newsreader, or yours can't be properly configured.

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Harvey Fogel wrote:
> Sadly this is just another nail in the coffin of Linux because what it
> does is take away credibility from Linux.
> People, and especially businesses considering moving off Windows toward
> Linux are going to look at this as a sign that Linux's future is unstable
> and more importantly uncertain.
You trolls might do so--those making buying decisions for successful
companies are *usually* pretty good at seeing through this sort of
obfuscation.

>
> Personally I think we need some good news in the Linux community, but from
> what I am seeing I am not holding my breath.
> Linux as a desktop operating system looks like it is pretty much on life
> support at this point because if a huge company like Novell can't make
> money off of Linux, nobody can.
I'm using it, and will continue to use it long after Novell falls apart.
If it comes down to it, I'll maintain my own distribution.

> Harvey


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Harvey Fogel wrote:
> On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 19:44:19 -0800, lqualig wrote:
>
>
>>Harvey Fogel wrote:
>>
>>>Sadly this is just another nail in the coffin of Linux because what it
>>>does is take away credibility from Linux.
>>>People, and especially businesses considering moving off Windows toward
>>>Linux are going to look at this as a sign that Linux's future is unstable
>>>and more importantly uncertain.
>>>
>>>Personally I think we need some good news in the Linux community, but from
>>>what I am seeing I am not holding my breath.
>>>Linux as a desktop operating system looks like it is pretty much on life
>>>support at this point because if a huge company like Novell can't make
>>>money off of Linux, nobody can.
>>>Harvey
>>
>>
>>IMO opinion Linux will continue to cannibalize traditional Unix
>>installations. Companies like Sun will eventually fade away as Linux
>>replaces Solaris/AIX/HPUX/etc systems.
>
>
> I agree but only as far as price is concerned.
> If you compare say AIX to Linux it's like comparing a horse to a Corvette.
> Take a look at IBM's top of the line RISC machines, which BTW run Linux as
> well as AIX and then look at all of the limitations you must deal with if
> you use Linux.
AIX is quickly losing it's appeal in this regard. Virtiaulization at a
low level will do wonders for Linux-replacing-AIX.

>
> While mom and pop operations might be willing to gamble on Linux,
> enterprise customers are going full steam with AIX, at least as a native
> OS.
Not true at all.

> The flip side is many enterprise customers are running Linux in Lpars on
> zSeries machines, so it really is a mixed bag.
Because it's a perfectly viable option. Most of the people buying big
iron machines today are people who have software designed specificly
*for* big iron machines.

>
> However, desktop Linux is all but dead in the enterprise world.
> For every Ernie Ball there are 100's of thousands using Windows.
It's got more users today than it ever has before, and the future looks
just as bright.

>
>
>
>>But the Senior Vice President of Intel was correct. Linux on the
>>desktop isn't looking very viable. But who would know the facts and
>>who should we believe. A Senior VP of Intel or morons like William "the
>>idiot" Poaster and Linønut who still think that Novell is not going to
>>lay off anyone from the SuSE division.
>
>
> Linux is a non contender on the desktop.
Not if OpenDocument is a success.

> It is a proven fact and Novell is just nailing the coffin closed.
It's not a 'proven fact'--GNU/Linux is in no way stalled when it comes
to desktop adoption. Novell's incompitance and inability to compete with
Redhat is not relivent to the discussion.

>
> Windows has won.
People said that about Apples and Macs too.

> Mac has it's audience.
> Linux desktop has 3rd world countries and even that is debatable.
China is a third world country now? Germany?

>
> The Linux zealots can squeal all they wish but their house of cards is
> teetering more and more each day.
Can you show any proof? Redhat's stronger than ever--and is showing that
they are perfectly capable of driving major competitors into the ground.

>
> IOW the facts speak for themselves.
>
>
Hi flatfish.


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Debunking the myth...

http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8616686406.html

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1882118,00.asp

Myke

Debunking the myth...

http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8616686406.html

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1882118,00.asp

Myke

Harvey Fogel (flastfish) trolled:

>Sadly

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lqualig.RemoveThis@uku.co.uk checked our message ID's while writing:

>But the Senior Vice President of Intel was correct. Linux on the
>desktop isn't looking very viable.

Good. Now push off, wintroll.