Question about KDE / X

On Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:42:03 -0400, "Aaron W. Hsu" <arcfide.TakeThisOut@sacrideo.us> wrote:

>On Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:52:07 -0400, Johannes Beekhuizen
><jbeekhui.TakeThisOut@duinheks.nl> wrote:
>
>> Under SlackWare12.2 (and earlier) I had my screen configured to be
>> 1268x1024 pixels and was shown a part of it. This smaller screen
>> could be enlarged (or reduced) by pressing <ctr><alt>+(-).
>> I used the enlarging quite often, because I could not see the
>> screen very well when it was too small.
>> Can the same be done in the new version and, if yes, how?
>
>What I think you were doing was changing the screen resolution, which is
>not something you'll normally want to do. Instead, you should use
>something like KMag to magnify the screen sections that you want to read.

OP needs to add some extra resolution settings to xorg.conf.

Grant.
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Johannes Beekhuizen wrote:
> Under SlackWare12.2 (and earlier) I had my screen configured to be
> 1268x1024 pixels and was shown a part of it. This smaller screen
> could be enlarged (or reduced) by pressing <ctr><alt>+(-).
> I used the enlarging quite often, because I could not see the
> screen very well when it was too small.
> Can the same be done in the new version and, if yes, how?
> Thanks for any help,
>
Have you tried using /xorgsetup/? It scans your hardware and builds you
an //etc/xorg.conf/ that will probably provide the best resolution your
hardware is capable of -- and it makes a back up file of your existing
//etc/xorg.conf/ file. Once done, you can use one of the magnification
utilities (say, /kmag/) if necessary.

In Slackware 13.0, you really don't need an /xorg.conf/ as the system
dynamically determines the settings for your monitor (and keyboard and
mouse) with /udev/; you can have an /xorg.conf/ if you want, but you
start out without one.

Hope this helps some.

On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:26:09 +1100, Grant
<g_r_a_n_t_ RemoveThis @bugsplatter.id.au> wrote:

>>What I think you were doing was changing the screen resolution, which is
>>not something you'll normally want to do. Instead, you should use
>>something like KMag to magnify the screen sections that you want to read.

>OP needs to add some extra resolution settings to xorg.conf.

That was another one I stumbled on. For some reason I couldn't get a
desktop with the stock nvidia driver.

I had to add screen subsections from an old xorg.conf file and
download the Nvidia driver and launch the binary installer.

After that all was well, sorta anyway.

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On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:16:21 -0400, Thomas Ronayne
<trona.DeleteThis@ameritech.net> wrote:

>Have you tried using /xorgsetup/? It scans your hardware and builds you
>an //etc/xorg.conf/ that will probably provide the best resolution your
>hardware is capable of -- and it makes a back up file of your existing
>//etc/xorg.conf/ file. Once done, you can use one of the magnification
>utilities (say, /kmag/) if necessary.

>In Slackware 13.0, you really don't need an /xorg.conf/ as the system
>dynamically determines the settings for your monitor (and keyboard and
>mouse) with /udev/; you can have an /xorg.conf/ if you want, but you
>start out without one.

>Hope this helps some.

Didn't work for me at all. In fact I was searching for another binary
under the X tree thinking this can't be right.

Also, I'm blind as a bat and although my monitor will do
1920x1200@60Hz I always go for 1024x768@75Hz (will do 85Hz).

I've got to fix that too as best refresh I can get was 57Hz :=(

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On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:32:36 -0500, Ron Gibson <rsgibson RemoveThis @tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:26:09 +1100, Grant
><g_r_a_n_t_ RemoveThis @bugsplatter.id.au> wrote:
>
>>>What I think you were doing was changing the screen resolution, which is
>>>not something you'll normally want to do. Instead, you should use
>>>something like KMag to magnify the screen sections that you want to read.
>
>>OP needs to add some extra resolution settings to xorg.conf.
>
>That was another one I stumbled on. For some reason I couldn't get a
>desktop with the stock nvidia driver.
>
>I had to add screen subsections from an old xorg.conf file and
>download the Nvidia driver and launch the binary installer.
>
>After that all was well, sorta anyway.

What's sorta wrong then?

I think you can just drop in xorg.conf from last slack-12.x install?

Box I'm playing with at the moment is Intel 865G video, and slack-13
gets that right with a custom kernel. Losing the mouse clicks after a
short time with distro kernel

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Ron Gibson wrote:
> Also, I'm blind as a bat and although my monitor will do
> 1920x1200@60Hz I always go for 1024x768@75Hz (will do 85Hz).

Most LCD's won't do anything better than 60Hz. They can _accept_
higher frequencies, but the screen still gets updated at 60Hz only.
Only very hi-end LCD screens have elements that can do higher speeds,
as I said the others just skip updates to get back to the 60Hz frequency
for the real update speed - so you will not see any difference between
1024x768@75Hz, at 85Hz or at 60Hz
Anyway, LCD doesn't have the fade-away effect which needed the higher
update frequencies on CRT monitors.
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On Oct 7, 9:47 pm, Grant <g_r_a_n... DeleteThis @bugsplatter.id.au> wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:32:36 -0500, Ron Gibson <rsgib... DeleteThis @tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> >On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:26:09 +1100, Grant
> ><g_r_a_n... DeleteThis @bugsplatter.id.au> wrote:
>
> >>>What I think you were doing was changing the screen resolution, which is  
> >>>not something you'll normally want to do. Instead, you should use  
> >>>something like KMag to magnify the screen sections that you want to read.
>
> >>OP needs to add some extra resolution settings to xorg.conf.  
>
> >That was another one I stumbled on. For some reason I couldn't get a
> >desktop with the stock nvidia driver.
>
> >I had to add screen subsections from an old xorg.conf file and
> >download the Nvidia driver and launch the binary installer.
>
> >After that all was well, sorta anyway.
>
> What's sorta wrong then?
>
> I think you can just drop in xorg.conf from last slack-12.x install?
>
> Box I'm playing with at the moment is Intel 865G video, and slack-13
> gets that right with a custom kernel.  Losing the mouse clicks after a
> short time with distro kernel
>
> Grant.
> --http://bugsplatter.id.au

My xorg.conf is a rover. It has been copied to Slack 13 and to Xubuntu
9 point something.
Not every change is an improvement.

John Culleton

On Oct 8, 4:04 am, Eef Hartman <E.J.M.Hart... RemoveThis @tudelft.nl> wrote:
> Ron Gibson wrote:
> > Also, I'm blind as a bat and although my monitor will do
> > 1920x1200@60Hz I always go for 1024x768@75Hz (will do 85Hz).
>
> Most LCD's won't do anything better than 60Hz. They can _accept_
> higher frequencies, but the screen still gets updated at 60Hz only.
> Only very hi-end LCD screens have elements that can do higher speeds,
> as I said the others just skip updates to get back to the 60Hz frequency
> for the real update speed - so you will not see any difference between
> 1024x768@75Hz, at 85Hz or at 60Hz
> Anyway, LCD doesn't have the fade-away effect which needed the higher
> update frequencies on CRT monitors.
> --
> Eef Hartman, Delft University of Technology, dept. SSC/ICT

I hang on to my Ebay-purchased Sony Multiscan G520 CRT. I like the
adjustable
color temperature and so on. When it dies I'll go look for another
just like it.

John Culleton

On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 12:47:37 +1100, Grant
<g_r_a_n_t_.RemoveThis@bugsplatter.id.au> wrote:

>>That was another one I stumbled on. For some reason I couldn't get a
>>desktop with the stock nvidia driver.

>>I had to add screen subsections from an old xorg.conf file and
>>download the Nvidia driver and launch the binary installer.

>>After that all was well, sorta anyway.

>What's sorta wrong then?

Hardware - Ancient but very usable P43E w/865PE chipset using a AGP
Nvidia GeForce 6600 - Hardly exotic

I'm not sure. I did all the usual steps. It ID'd my monitor properly
and had the scan frequencies correct.

It hung on the little KDE device startup splash image. Since I took
two actions at once I can't be sure if it was the lack of screen info
I added by hand or it was simply the driver.

I still have a problem however - Whenever I am in X/KDE and wish to
switch to a TTY either by logging out of KDE or using CTL-ALT-F(2-6) I
get no visible text.

The prompt is up but not visible and I always use the standard text
console settings for TTY's. IOW, I can log out, but see nothing but a
black screen, wait and then type "reboot" (can't see what I type) and
hit enter -> Results in invisible reboot :=(

>I think you can just drop in xorg.conf from last slack-12.x install?
>
>Box I'm playing with at the moment is Intel 865G video, and slack-13
>gets that right with a custom kernel. Losing the mouse clicks after a
>short time with distro kernel
>
>Grant.

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On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 10:04:22 +0200, Eef Hartman
<E.J.M.Hartman.DeleteThis@tudelft.nl> wrote:

>Most LCD's won't do anything better than 60Hz. They can _accept_
>higher frequencies, but the screen still gets updated at 60Hz only.

Yes I'm aware of that which is why I like Viewsonic G90F - I can do
HDTV easily with it.

>Only very hi-end LCD screens have elements that can do higher speeds,
>as I said the others just skip updates to get back to the 60Hz frequency
>for the real update speed - so you will not see any difference between
>1024x768@75Hz, at 85Hz or at 60Hz
>Anyway, LCD doesn't have the fade-away effect which needed the higher
>update frequencies on CRT monitors.

This is why I haven't bought any LCD stuff. OLED is just around the
corner...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_light-emitting_diode

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On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 07:22:00 -0700 (PDT), wexfordpress
<john RemoveThis @wexfordpress.com> wrote:

>I hang on to my Ebay-purchased Sony Multiscan G520 CRT. I like the
>adjustable
>color temperature and so on. When it dies I'll go look for another
>just like it.

Same here. BTW, you might want to check around some of the PC repair
shops for a spare. A used 17" can be had for $20 and a 19" for $25-30.

I've got one old 15" CRT (too small for me except in an emergency)
that has a 1989 date on it and it still works perfectly.

I cannibalize old boxes/systems and reuse the good components.

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Ron Gibson wrote:
> Same here. BTW, you might want to check around some of the PC repair
> shops for a spare. A used 17" can be had for $20 and a 19" for $25-30.

We've got at least two old 21" CRT's here to give/throw away (both
Iiyama, one's a Vision Master Pro 21 and the other Vision Master 502).
I also got a Pro 21 at home, but I admit I'm not using it anymore since
I've got my 26" Samsung LCD screen (1920x1200).
Ok, the Pro 21 will do 2000x1500 too, but on a much smaller surface.
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On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 07:16:28 -0700, wexfordpress wrote:

> My xorg.conf is a rover. It has been copied to Slack 13 and to Xubuntu 9
> point something.

That may be the source of problems, right there.

> Not every change is an improvement.

Perhaps you should try some changes, then.


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