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Dusty Wilson [Megagram]

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:21 am
Post subject: How can a non-DD join/help the debian-perl group?
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I was watching the Debconf videos and noticed that there was a great
interest in getting people involved in Debian development. I've
always been resistant to join simply because it feels like there is a
big barrier to entry. After watching the videos, I felt less
concerned about this. Someone on the video said that there are always
plenty of tasks available in the perl group.

I'm not a DD. What does it take to begin helping out with random
tasks in the Debian Perl group?

I've been writing in Perl since sometime around 1996. I've created
several modules on the CPAN [0]. This includes the Linux::APT module
[1] (I'd think there is already a nice module for this, but I don't
know about it and it doesn't seem to exist on the CPAN). I also
maintain the Win32::WindowsUpdate module [2], which is used (alongside
Linux::APT) extensively in our in-development perl-based distributed
computer management system.

I have been using Debian almost exclusively since Sarge (but started
learning and experimenting since Woody). I've been creating my own
packages for internal distribution for the last few years in our
company-wide repository. I don't promise that those packages are 100%
correct on policy, but they seem to pass lintian checks just fine,
except for a few intentional failures (copyright, changelog, some
overly-restricted file permissions). I used to maintain an unofficial
LogMeIn Hamachi package (for a couple of years, even though we stopped
using it ourselves quite awhile back, but discontinued last month due
to lack of interested users).

I don't have a specific interest other than to help out with the Perl
group. I'm willing to take on some tasks to become familiar with the
process and would be happy to move into a more responsible role when I
am sure I know what's going on and how to go about doing things with
the group. I would like to get to the point where I can (in addition
to general helping-out) maintain packages related to my CPAN-released
modules as well as parts (or all) of my company's computer management
system (much is GPL; might GPL the whole thing, hopefully).

Thanks,
Dusty

[0] http://search.cpan.org/~wilsond/
[1] http://search.cpan.org/~wilsond/Linux-APT/
[2] http://search.cpan.org/~wilsond/Win32-WindowsUpdate/


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Dominique Dumont

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:20 am
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Hello Dusty

Welcome aboard.

"Dusty Wilson [Megagram]" <dusty.DeleteThis@megagram.com> writes:

> I'm not a DD.

Not a problem Wink IANDD either

> What does it take to begin helping out with random tasks in the Debian
> Perl group?

All the info is provided here:

http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianPerlGroup#Howtogetinvolved

and

http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianPerlGroup/Welcome

Don't forget to lurk on #debian-perl IRC channel.

All the best

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Dusty Wilson [Megagram]

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:20 am
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On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 3:50 AM, Dominique Dumont
<dominique.dumont.RemoveThis@hp.com> wrote:
> Welcome aboard.

Thank you, Dominique!

> "Dusty Wilson [Megagram]" <dusty.RemoveThis@megagram.com> writes:
>> What does it take to begin helping out with random tasks in the Debian
>> Perl group?
>
> All the info is provided here:
>
>  http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianPerlGroup#Howtogetinvolved
> and
>  http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianPerlGroup/Welcome

I actually had seen a page just like that one (heh, probably *that*
one) a year or so ago when I was looking into joining. I guess I just
failed to remember this. Sorry I didn't dig around there to find it
again! That process seems very easy to get started. Thanks for the
URLs.

My Alioth username is dustywilson-guest. To someone with such
privilege: may I please be added to the group? I'm excited to get
started.

Thanks!
Dusty


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Jeremiah Foster

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:20 am
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On Sep 15, 2009, at 8:21, Dusty Wilson [Megagram] wrote:

> I was watching the Debconf videos and noticed that there was a great
> interest in getting people involved in Debian development. I've
> always been resistant to join simply because it feels like there is a
> big barrier to entry. After watching the videos, I felt less
> concerned about this. Someone on the video said that there are always
> plenty of tasks available in the perl group.

I have spoken to Debian Developers who felt that they _had_ to become
a DD to get the software they wanted into Debian. I feel that is not
the case any longer. I got involved in the debian perl group about two
years ago and felt immediately like I was part of a team and could
make decisions and get software into debian that I was interested in.
The patience and professionalism of the members of the debian-perl
team was the reason that I could participate so quickly, even when my
work needed improvement.
>
> I'm not a DD. What does it take to begin helping out with random
> tasks in the Debian Perl group?

The first big step is your email that you sent, the second is lurking
on the IRC channel - you'll see the various repository bots posting
commits from the svn repo and you'll get an idea of what is being done
and how people do it. Look at the Package Entropy Tracker as well: http://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/pet.cgi

> I've been writing in Perl since sometime around 1996. I've created
> several modules on the CPAN [0]. This includes the Linux::APT module
> [1] (I'd think there is already a nice module for this, but I don't
> know about it and it doesn't seem to exist on the CPAN). I also
> maintain the Win32::WindowsUpdate module [2], which is used (alongside
> Linux::APT) extensively in our in-development perl-based distributed
> computer management system.

Cool, sound like you have a lot of useful knowledge already. One of
the main tools is dh-make-perl as you may already know. I suspect the
team would welcome help with that as well as keeping the packages bug
free.

> I have been using Debian almost exclusively since Sarge (but started
> learning and experimenting since Woody). I've been creating my own
> packages for internal distribution for the last few years in our
> company-wide repository. I don't promise that those packages are 100%
> correct on policy, but they seem to pass lintian checks just fine,
> except for a few intentional failures (copyright, changelog, some
> overly-restricted file permissions). I used to maintain an unofficial
> LogMeIn Hamachi package (for a couple of years, even though we stopped
> using it ourselves quite awhile back, but discontinued last month due
> to lack of interested users).
>
> I don't have a specific interest other than to help out with the Perl
> group. I'm willing to take on some tasks to become familiar with the
> process and would be happy to move into a more responsible role when I
> am sure I know what's going on and how to go about doing things with
> the group. I would like to get to the point where I can (in addition
> to general helping-out) maintain packages related to my CPAN-released
> modules as well as parts (or all) of my company's computer management
> system (much is GPL; might GPL the whole thing, hopefully).
>
> Thanks,
> Dusty

As you can see from the responses you've already received, there are
some friendly and effective members of the debian perl group. We
generally get along well and I consider these folks my friends. I
think you'll find this a very pleasant place to get some work done.
Welcome!

Jeremiah


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Dusty Wilson [Megagram]

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:20 am
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On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 2:01 PM, gregor herrmann <gregoa.RemoveThis@debian.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:22:48 +0200, Jeremiah Foster wrote:
>> On Sep 15, 2009, at 8:21, Dusty Wilson [Megagram] wrote:
>
> Welcome also from me!

Thank you, Gregor! (and Damyan for adding me, and Jeremiah for his
valuable info as well) I really appreciate the welcoming people in
the group.

>> >I'm not a DD.  What does it take to begin helping out with random
>> >tasks in the Debian Perl group?
>> The first big step is your email that you sent, the second is
>> lurking on the IRC channel - you'll see the various repository bots
>> posting commits from the svn repo and you'll get an idea of what is
>> being done and how people do it. Look at the Package Entropy Tracker
>> as well: http://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/pet.cgi

I've seen PET and am happy that it exists. How do I know if someone
is taking on a task already? I don't want to step on anyone's feet or
make duplicate work if I can help it.

> Ack, PET is indeed our centre for coordination, and might also answer
> a bit the question what you can do in practice:
> - if you enjoy tracking down nasty bugs start at the top and look at
>  the release-critical bugs

Aye, I do enjoy fixing bugs. Fixing RC bugs would feel very good to me.

> - if you like to do general package maintainance you can help with
>  upgrading the packages that have a newer upstream release available
> - the section "with bugs" closer to the bottom could also use some
>  eyeballs - probably quite a few bugs need more triaging (do the
>  bugs still apply? does upstream / the CPAN RT know about them?)
>  than heavy coding
> - and of course new packages are possible too Smile

I'd love to package a bunch of modules that are on the CPAN (and I use
frequently) but are not found in the repository yet.

> The various docs at http://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.org/ should explain
> most of the techicalities (from our subversion use till our policy
> for various aspects of packages), and always feel free to ask on the
> list or on IRC.

I will go over the documents and lurk a bit before I do any work. I'd
like to get a feel for how things are done before I do them. I'm
subscribed to this list as well as the pkg-perl-maintainers list. I
also plan to lurk around the IRC channel for awhile as well.

>> >I've been writing in Perl since sometime around 1996.  I've created
>> >several modules on the CPAN [0].
>
> This experience will come in very handy for our team, thanks for
> joining!

Thanks for having me! I'm sure to enjoy the work and the group.

Dusty


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Dusty Wilson [Megagram]

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:20 am
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On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:30 AM, Damyan Ivanov <dmn.DeleteThis@debian.org> wrote:
> -=| Dusty Wilson [Megagram], Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 01:18:18AM -0500 |=-
>> I've seen PET and am happy that it exists.  How do I know if someone
>> is taking on a task already?  I don't want to step on anyone's feet or
>> make duplicate work if I can help it.
>
> Claim the job on IRC? Watching the commits there gives you an
> impression on what others are working.
>
> We don't have a strict protocol about this, and the reason seems to be
> that somehow, overlaps are extremely rare Smile

Sounds good. I suppose if there is a problem, someone can just smack
me for it. Smile As soon as I have a moment, I'll get myself on IRC to
observe the action!

Thanks!
Dusty


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