Caitlyn Martin's review of Slack 13

On 2009-10-05, Simon Sibbez <simon.sibbez RemoveThis @buerotiger.de> wrote:
> dreaded wrote:
>
>> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20091005#feature
>
> mooni kwote: "Unfortunately, the work involved in maintaining Slackware
> generally means I end up turning to a different distro."
>
> nuff said.

'Nuff said to what point? Do you think everyone thinks it's too much
work to maintain a Slackware install?

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On 2009-10-05, Simon Sibbez <simon.sibbez.DeleteThis@buerotiger.de> wrote:

> mooni kwote: "Unfortunately, the work involved in maintaining Slackware
> generally means I end up turning to a different distro."

> nuff said.

Sorry, but not "nuff". Here's the bottom line with Slackware:

"Slackware also gives the users absolute control over what goes onto
their system and how things are configured."

Yes, you can argue that other distros also have such control, but only
by users who have the knowledge to do so. Slack is still THE distro
for providing that knowledge.

nb

On Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:34:57 -0400, notbob <notbob RemoveThis @nothome.com> wrote:

> On 2009-10-05, Simon Sibbez <simon.sibbez RemoveThis @buerotiger.de> wrote:
>
>> mooni kwote: "Unfortunately, the work involved in maintaining Slackware
>> generally means I end up turning to a different distro."
>
>> nuff said.
>
> Sorry, but not "nuff". Here's the bottom line with Slackware:
>
> "Slackware also gives the users absolute control over what goes onto
> their system and how things are configured."
>
> Yes, you can argue that other distros also have such control, but only
> by users who have the knowledge to do so. Slack is still THE distro
> for providing that knowledge.

It is also THE distro for no-nonsense installations that you just want to
work and use without having to bother with learning many gotchas where the
distribution doesn't match the rest of the world. When I want a stable
system that will work well, not let me down, and won't require hours of my
time to make work just as I want it, I go for Slackware, not something
like RedHat or Ubuntu.

Aaron W. Hsu

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victims may be the most oppressive. -- C. S. Lewis

Mon, 05 Oct 2009 11:31:44 -0700, Keith Keller did cat :

> On 2009-10-05, Simon Sibbez <simon.sibbez.DeleteThis@buerotiger.de> wrote:
>> dreaded wrote:
>>
>>> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20091005#feature
>>
>> mooni kwote: "Unfortunately, the work involved in maintaining Slackware
>> generally means I end up turning to a different distro."
>>
>> nuff said.
>
> 'Nuff said to what point? Do you think everyone thinks it's too much
> work to maintain a Slackware install?
>
> --keith

maybe a question of proxemy, I read Simon post in the
idea that he just wanted to say that as the "kwote" he
quoted was clearly giving a hint that the article writer
was not capable. I even thought that Simon was trying
something in the line of an 'impeachment'...
Now that I read some of your reactions to Simon's post
I'm wondering about how far can we read a word and
what the parallax error factor can be.
Well, excuse my french, I am what we is

On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Keith Keller wrote:

> On 2009-10-05, Simon Sibbez <simon.sibbez RemoveThis @buerotiger.de> wrote:
>> dreaded wrote:
>>
>>> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20091005#feature
>>
>> mooni kwote: "Unfortunately, the work involved in maintaining Slackware
>> generally means I end up turning to a different distro."
>>
>> nuff said.
>
> 'Nuff said to what point? Do you think everyone thinks it's too much
> work to maintain a Slackware install?
>
I thought he was dismissing the review based on the quoted sentence.
"She thinks Slackware is too hard to maintain, what does she know?"

Michael

On 2009-10-05, Michael Black <et472 RemoveThis @ncf.ca> wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Keith Keller wrote:
>
>> On 2009-10-05, Simon Sibbez <simon.sibbez RemoveThis @buerotiger.de> wrote:
>>> dreaded wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20091005#feature
>>>
>>> mooni kwote: "Unfortunately, the work involved in maintaining Slackware
>>> generally means I end up turning to a different distro."
>>>
>>> nuff said.
>>
>> 'Nuff said to what point? Do you think everyone thinks it's too much
>> work to maintain a Slackware install?
>>
> I thought he was dismissing the review based on the quoted sentence.
> "She thinks Slackware is too hard to maintain, what does she know?"

I suppose it could be interpreted that way. Still, if one writes "nuff
said", it should actually be enough that was said.

In general, the factual portions of the review seemed accurate, at least
the non-X11 portions (since I don't currently have a Slackware box with
X on it). It's only when she ventures into opinion that the wheels
start to come off.

--keith

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On Mon, 05 Oct 2009 23:44:36 -0400, Keith Keller
<kkeller-usenet.TakeThisOut@wombat.san-francisco.ca.us> wrote:

> In general, the factual portions of the review seemed accurate, at least
> the non-X11 portions (since I don't currently have a Slackware box with
> X on it). It's only when she ventures into opinion that the wheels
> start to come off.

Unfortunately, the review on the X portions were not particularly accurate
either. Most systems today do not require an Xorg.conf file. Moreover,
there is a default vesa xorg.conf file provided in the /etc/X11 directory
that can be used. I used it as the base for a laptop I recently installed
that didn't work with the X nv drivers, and required the proprietary
Nvidia ones.

On my Thinkpad, however, no configuration or Xorg.conf file was necessary,
and things just worked. Enabling X by default is also easy to do, so the
complaint that configuring Slackware takes longer than one of these other
machines just isn't true for many cases.

Aaron W. Hsu

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On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, notbob wrote:

> On 2009-10-05, Simon Sibbez <simon.sibbez DeleteThis @buerotiger.de> wrote:
>
>> mooni kwote: "Unfortunately, the work involved in maintaining Slackware
>> generally means I end up turning to a different distro."
>
>> nuff said.
>
> Sorry, but not "nuff". Here's the bottom line with Slackware:
>
> "Slackware also gives the users absolute control over what goes onto
> their system and how things are configured."

Cant agree more, i had the displeasure of trying to replace exim in ubuntu
with postfix on someones laptop, it insisted on removing 15 other things
that were wanted by the user as well, what a joke.



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On Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:44:18 -0400, Aaron W. Hsu wrote:

> It is also THE distro for no-nonsense installations that you just want
> to work and use without having to bother with learning many gotchas
> where the distribution doesn't match the rest of the world. When I want
> a stable system that will work well, not let me down, and won't require
> hours of my time to make work just as I want it, I go for Slackware, not
> something like RedHat or Ubuntu.
>
> Aaron W. Hsu

When do you want an unstable system that doesn't work well, lets you down
and requires hours of your time to work? Inquiring minds want to know...

On 2009-10-07, Just A. User <me DeleteThis @some.fake.isp> wrote:
>
> When do you want an unstable system that doesn't work well, lets you down
> and requires hours of your time to work? Inquiring minds want to know...

Creating a desktop machine for one's boss?

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Wed, 07 Oct 2009 10:31:04 -0700, Keith Keller did cat :

> On 2009-10-07, Just A. User <me RemoveThis @some.fake.isp> wrote:
>>
>> When do you want an unstable system that doesn't work well, lets you
>> down and requires hours of your time to work? Inquiring minds want to
>> know...
>
> Creating a desktop machine for one's boss?

Oops, please Keith, do not post so wi[l]dely spoilers about 'job insurance'...-)
(though it'd prolly imply installing MSvista but that'd be using a
sledgehammer on the pins of an angel [any number would each be])

Keith Keller wrote:

> On 2009-10-05, Simon Sibbez <simon.sibbez.RemoveThis@buerotiger.de> wrote:
>> dreaded wrote:
>>
>>> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20091005#feature
>>
>> mooni kwote: "Unfortunately, the work involved in maintaining Slackware
>> generally means I end up turning to a different distro."
>>
>> nuff said.
>
> 'Nuff said to what point? Do you think everyone thinks it's too much
> work to maintain a Slackware install?

Taken in its entirety I though it was a reasonable article. The comment
about easy to install, in the context of current distro's is a valid one.

I'd recommend Slackware to my parents as I'm the one who does any mantenance
at all on their PC and I could set it up so they could not seriously break
it. I'd recomend an Ubuntu variant to my brother as he'd get on with the
install fine. Hourses for courses.

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On Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:44:18 -0400, "Aaron W. Hsu"
<arcfide.TakeThisOut@sacrideo.us> wrote:

>It is also THE distro for no-nonsense installations that you just want to
>work and use without having to bother with learning many gotchas where the
>distribution doesn't match the rest of the world. When I want a stable
>system that will work well, not let me down, and won't require hours of my
>time to make work just as I want it, I go for Slackware, not something
>like RedHat or Ubuntu.

That is so true. If the current KDE turns too many people off it's
easy enough to up or downgrade it.

You don't have to worry about what someone else's idea of dependencies
are and the resulting problems with the so called "package manager"

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