Building a new PC. Any comments on these parts?

On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 00:00:38 +0000 (UTC)
"JR Weiss" <jrw.RemoveThis@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> ShadowTek wrote:
>
> > I've considered previous comments and modified the list a bit.
> >
> > GIGABYTE GA-EP43-UD3L LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX Intel
> > Motherboard
> > +
> > Intel Core2 Duo E7500 Wolfdale 2.93GHz LGA 775 65W
> >
> > Patriot Viper II 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2
> > 1066 (PC2 8500)
> >
> > BFG Tech GS-550 550W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V V2.8 SLI Ready
> > CrossFire Ready Power Supply - Retail
> > $50
> > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817702010
>
> I'm not familiar with BFG Tech, but why would you NOT get a name-brand
> PSU with 80+ certification?

You need to get familiar with BFG Tech. They are a top-tier name brand PSU manufacturer. In fact, the ES-800 is probably the best power supply available, in terms of quality, at any price. Don't know about the GS-550, but suspect it is extremely high quality. -Dave

ShadowTek wrote:

>> I'm not familiar with BFG Tech, but why would you NOT get a
>> name-brand PSU with 80+ certification?
>
> I read some comments in forums where BFG was referred to being a
> decent brand, so I figured it would be ok.
>
> Anyway, I could spend $10 more and get this instead:
> GIGABYTE SUPERB GE-P450P-C2 550W ATX12V V2.3 80 PLUS Certified
> Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply - Retail
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817233010
>
> How about that?

If you don't want to spend more $$, the PCP&C Silencer 420 should work
fine. I don't know where Gigabyte gets their PSUs, either...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703017

On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:26:17 +0000, ShadowTek wrote:

> On 2009-09-26, Grinder <grinder.DeleteThis@no.spam.maam.com> wrote:
>> Then maybe I can recommend this:
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129024
>
> That's a good deal, but I was really wanting a full ATX, and I was also
> hoping for PSU fan larger than 80mm.
>
> I'll have to think about it.

Take a look at Rosewill cases.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010090007...002177&

I bought one to house my current system I built two years ago. Some models
come with a 120mm fan and room for a couple more with dust filters. Some
models even have a duct to vent the CPU heat directly to the outside.
Very nice.


Stef

On 2009-09-26, Fishface <fishface.TakeThisOut@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> You may be interested in this regarding 120 mm PSU fans:
> http://www.pcpower.com/technology/myths/#m6

Yeah, that makes sense.

On 2009-09-26, JR Weiss <jrw RemoveThis @invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> I don't know where Gigabyte gets their PSUs, either...

The one thing I noticed on the product pages for both the GB motherboard
and the PSU was they state that all their capacitors are Japanese made.

On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 20:03:13 +0000 (UTC), ShadowTek
<ShadowTek.RemoveThis@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 2009-09-26, Fishface <fishface.RemoveThis@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> You may be interested in this regarding 120 mm PSU fans:
>> http://www.pcpower.com/technology/myths/#m6
>
>Yeah, that makes sense.


Yep, but also consider your system won't actually use more
than 250W unless you overclock it pretty far, so with a 500W
or higher capacity, quality built PSU, you could go either
way with the fan.

IMO, one of the more important factors is to get a PSU with
a fan having dual ball bearings, the failure rate within the
life of a system on sleeve bearing fans is just too high
unless you periodically relube them which is a pain on a
120mm PSU fan since the bearing usually can't be accessed
without taking whole PSU out and part.

On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 00:57:29 +0000 (UTC), ShadowTek
<ShadowTek.RemoveThis@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 2009-09-24, Grinder <grinder.RemoveThis@no.spam.maam.com> wrote:
>>
>> You're spending a good amount on a crossfire-ready power supply to power
>> a board that only has one graphics card slot. Hopefully someone will
>> correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like you're buying more than
>> you'll need.
>
>I just picked a safe range. I could probably go a little lower. I just
>want to have a reasonable margin of error.
>
>> Even if I
>> pile on a couple of high rpm sata drives, blu-ray, dvd-rw, 4 fans, 2 pci
>> cards and 4 usb devices, outvision's power supply calculator comes up
>> with 312W.
>> http://www.extreme.outervision.com/
>
>I got 483w when I selected %100 load and %50 capacitor aging, so I guess
>I could setting for a 500w PS.


Capacitor aging is mostly a factor on the mediocre quality
PSUs, though to be sure of the capacitors you pretty much
have to either have experience with the PSU model/family or
find a good review that does a take-apart analysis and list
of those.

On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:39:33 GMT, Stefan Patric
<not.DeleteThis@thisaddress.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:26:17 +0000, ShadowTek wrote:
>
>> On 2009-09-26, Grinder <grinder.DeleteThis@no.spam.maam.com> wrote:
>>> Then maybe I can recommend this:
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129024
>>
>> That's a good deal, but I was really wanting a full ATX, and I was also
>> hoping for PSU fan larger than 80mm.
>>
>> I'll have to think about it.
>
>Take a look at Rosewill cases.
>
>http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010090007+50002177&QksAutoSuggestion=&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&Configurator=&Subcategory=7&description=&Ntk=&CFG=&SpeTabStoreType=&srchInDesc=
>
>I bought one to house my current system I built two years ago. Some models
>come with a 120mm fan and room for a couple more with dust filters. Some
>models even have a duct to vent the CPU heat directly to the outside.
>Very nice.


The duct isn't all that useful. The typical intel retail
heatsinks blow down instead of up and most of the best
heatsinks are now a heatpipe design that blows up or
rearward.

I generally just take the ducts off and put a piece of
plastic or cardboard over the hole as it countermines good
airflow by causing a short loop where the exhaust fans just
pull in air through there only to exhaust it after a small #
of inches travel without cooling anything... better to have
more of the exhausted air pulled in through the front
cooling the HDD rack, southbridge.

On the other hand I wish more cases had a fan hole lower
across from the video card AGP/PCIe slot, then you can put
an intake fan there and in front of the HDD rack and have
the best of both worlds.

ShadowTek wrote:
> On 2009-09-26, Grinder <grinder.TakeThisOut@no.spam.maam.com> wrote:
>> Then maybe I can recommend this:
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129024
>
> That's a good deal, but I was really wanting a full ATX,

Both of those cases take a full ATX.

> and I was also hoping for PSU fan larger than 80mm.
>
> I'll have to think about it.
>
> Thanks.

"ShadowTek" <ShadowTek RemoveThis @invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:slrnhbo5c4.fn.ShadowTek@desktop.localdomain...
> On 2009-09-24, Grinder <grinder RemoveThis @no.spam.maam.com> wrote:
>>
>> You're spending a good amount on a crossfire-ready power supply to power
>> a board that only has one graphics card slot. Hopefully someone will
>> correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like you're buying more than
>> you'll need.
>
> I just picked a safe range. I could probably go a little lower. I just
> want to have a reasonable margin of error.
>
>> Even if I
>> pile on a couple of high rpm sata drives, blu-ray, dvd-rw, 4 fans, 2 pci
>> cards and 4 usb devices, outvision's power supply calculator comes up
>> with 312W.
>> http://www.extreme.outervision.com/
>
> I got 483w when I selected %100 load and %50 capacitor aging, so I guess
> I could setting for a 500w PS.

I Got 613 @%100 load and %50 capacitor aging Yet I'm using
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139008
Works just fine very stable according to speed fan
the Single +12V rail (30A). might help
double ball-bearing fan 100,000 Hours and 80 PLUS Certified

On 2009-09-26, Grinder <grinder RemoveThis @no.spam.maam.com> wrote:
> ShadowTek wrote:
>> On 2009-09-26, Grinder <grinder RemoveThis @no.spam.maam.com> wrote:
>>> Then maybe I can recommend this:
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129024
>>
>> That's a good deal, but I was really wanting a full ATX,
>
> Both of those cases take a full ATX.

Yeah, it takes a full-ATX board, but I meant that I was hoping to get a
"full" sized tower, as opposed to a mid-sized tower..

ShadowTek wrote:

> Yeah, it takes a full-ATX board, but I meant that I was hoping to get
> a "full" sized tower, as opposed to a mid-sized tower..

Why? What do you plan to put into it that will not fit into a
mid-tower? The mid-tower is the "normal" case size for most home
users...

On 2009-09-27, kony <spam.RemoveThis@spam.com> wrote:

> ?? That is a strange thing for someone to write, front case
> fan is in front of HDD rack, maybe he meant he had to do
> away with the front case fan to mount the hard drive further
> towards the front of the case?

From the pic, it looks like the fan actually does mount between the HD
rack and the MB. I can see the 4 screw holes for the fan.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?CurImage=11-129-024-S08&I...st=11-1

"Cons: Just a wee bit too short to put in an HD 4850 and a 120mm
mid-case fan. The card fits, but the power plug sticks out of the front
too far and butts up against the fan. Hopefully cooling will be okay
without the fan in there."
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=11-129-024&SortF...d=0&Sum(keywords)

> Ok, but I still think what is closer to your needs is a deep
> case rather than a taller (than midtower) one. In the
> typical full tower you have the upper rack and the PSU right
> above the motherboard still so there isn't actually any more
> clearance available, just more rack slots and an empty area
> above the PSU where some accomodate a redundant 2nd PSU,
> some allow putting in a fan there (unnecessary to have a fan
> there).
>
> With a traditional hard drive rack where the data cables
> plug into the rearward facing edge of the drive, a case deep
> enough to give you some wiggle room with a full length video
> card and drives in the rack would be about 19" deep, a
> little more if the front case bezel is a fancy shape that
> bulges out for some reason. That depth includes space in
> front of the drive rack for a typical 1" thick fan, but it
> is only an average, case manufacturers can do strange
> designs sometimes and if the drive rack is rotated 90' so
> the drive plugs face the side panel instead of the back you
> can go with an inch or two shorter case but two is pushing
> it.

Actaully, I was eyeballin this one last night.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811517004

Cooling System
120mm Fans 1 x 120mm fan in rear
140mm Fans 2 x 140mm blue LED silent fan (19DBA) in front
230mm Fans 1 x 230mm blue LED silent fan (24DBA) on top
1 x 230mm blue LED silent fan (24DBA) on the side

lol